Engel's Herd

if you decide against neutering, will you just keep them both single and alongside the others permanently?
That's the only other option I've got but rather unfair on them isn't it. It's one thing interacting through bars but to be together with another piggy and able to interact properly without restriction is much better for them isn't it?
 
That's the only other option I've got but rather unfair on them isn't it. It's one thing interacting through bars but to be together with another piggy and able to interact properly without restriction is much better for them isn't it?

Hi!

Direct companionship is always better if it can be achieved.
 
Ok I'll talk to my vet about neutering the boys and book an appointment within the next few weeks.

I've got Pro C in already and I've got recovery food but the recovery food has been open and I don't know how long for. Will it still be ok?

I've got 1ml, 5ml and 20ml syringes. Heat pad. Plenty of white disposable puppy pads for keeping area clean and check for any bleeding. Hay bags to keep as much hay away from the site as possible. Anything else I'll need for 'just in case'?
 
I think it has to be used within a few (6) weeks of being opened.
Ah ok I'll get some more in then.

Is it because exposure to oxygen lessens the vitamin/mineral levels? I read that it can happen with vit C (I think). Will it do any harm if I used it to syringe train them so they're used to the taste?
 
Ok I'll talk to my vet about neutering the boys and book an appointment within the next few weeks.

I've got Pro C in already and I've got recovery food but the recovery food has been open and I don't know how long for. Will it still be ok?

I've got 1ml, 5ml and 20ml syringes. Heat pad. Plenty of white disposable puppy pads for keeping area clean and check for any bleeding. Hay bags to keep as much hay away from the site as possible. Anything else I'll need for 'just in case'?

Hi!

I think that you are pretty well provided for. Please check the recovery food but mushed up pellets with the narrow but of the syringe cut off just before it widens to allow the rougher fibre to pass through but still hold the plunger in will do in a pinch, so no need to panic. Vitamin C is present in all products; pellets, recovery formula and probiotics.

Hopefully you wont need them!
 
Right I've just come back from the vets. I've spoken to them about neutering Basil and they're more than happy to do it. I've been reassured that the vet (Emily) has done so many rabbits, guinea pigs and small furries that they can say with great confidence that Basil will be perfectly fine. (Cyril will be done at a later date. I want to keep the rest of the vet money aside for just in case anything goes wrong with Basil so I'm not stressing about costs of any emergency visits).

I've asked all the questions (that I know the answers to) and they were all answered very quickly and without them pausing to think.

So Basil will be losing his plums on Wednesday. Which means that he may be with his girlfriend's just before Christmas. What a great present that'll be for him (if the girls accept him).
 
Hi!

I think that you are pretty well provided for. Please check the recovery food but mushed up pellets with the narrow but of the syringe cut off just before it widens to allow the rougher fibre to pass through but still hold the plunger in will do in a pinch, so no need to panic. Vitamin C is present in all products; pellets, recovery formula and probiotics.

Hopefully you wont need them!
I'd rather be prepared and not use it, than need it and not have it.

Everyone else is healthy so can make poo soup if needed too. Will be re-reading the guides regarding syringe feeding and post op care over the next few days too. Again as you say hopefully I won't need them but it is a useful tool to have.

Also found somewhere that dogs and cats have 1-2% chance of things going wrong during surgeries (either during or afterwards) while guinea pigs only have a 3%. Which puts things into perspective a bit better. Like you said there's a misrepresentation online because this is where people turn to when things go wrong.
 
It's just occurred to me I don't know what to put into the (cat) carrier for Basil on Wednesday.

I was going to put in a puppy pad and a handful of hay (will send more in a bag as well as some pellets). I'm not sure about a cozy. I have a snuggle sack but it's cotton not fleece. I also have a cushion from a bed I could use as he loves laying on it.

I know this sounds silly, but I guess I'm worried about hay getting into the wound and causing issues.

I've had so many dogs spayed and neutered but never a rodent.
 
It's just occurred to me I don't know what to put into the (cat) carrier for Basil on Wednesday.

I was going to put in a puppy pad and a handful of hay (will send more in a bag as well as some pellets). I'm not sure about a cozy. I have a snuggle sack but it's cotton not fleece. I also have a cushion from a bed I could use as he loves laying on it.

I know this sounds silly, but I guess I'm worried about hay getting into the wound and causing issues.

I've had so many dogs spayed and neutered but never a rodent.

Hi

You never put stalky hay in a carrier because of the injury risk in a panic; only ever soft hay and only a little for comfort (including smell) and something to nibble on during the journey and wait at the vet's. You can just use a puppy pad or provide a clean cosy.

Please keep in mind that at the vet's he will go into a recovery cubicle pre- and post op for monitoring. Also be aware that wound closure techniques have come on a LOT. The risk of anything catching is minimal these days and nonexistent in some techniques. ;)
 
Hi

You never put stalky hay in a carrier because of the injury risk in a panic; only ever soft hay and only a little for comfort (including smell) and something to nibble on during the journey and wait at the vet's. You can just use a puppy pad or provide a clean cosy.

Please keep in mind that at the vet's he will go into a recovery cubicle pre- and post op for monitoring. Also be aware that wound closure techniques have come on a LOT. The risk of anything catching is minimal these days and nonexistent in some techniques. ;)
Ah ok. My lot only have meadow and the batch is very soft and not stalky at all. I'm going to feel awful him going to a new place and being by himself, hopefully he'll forgive me for not giving veggies before he goes (will keep it for when he comes home to encourage him to eat more).

During the first week or 2, should I weigh him every day when I check his wound to ensure he's eating ok and nothing is wrong? Or just continue with weekly weigh ins?
 
Ah ok. My lot only have meadow and the batch is very soft and not stalky at all. I'm going to feel awful him going to a new place and being by himself, hopefully he'll forgive me for not giving veggies before he goes (will keep it for when he comes home to encourage him to eat more).

During the first week or 2, should I weigh him every day when I check his wound to ensure he's eating ok and nothing is wrong? Or just continue with weekly weigh ins?

Please follow the advice in this guide here; it is the part of our neutering guide that deals with the operation and post-op special aspects with that kind of operation. See the chapter on post-op care: Neutering operations: Considerations, post-op care and a successful recovery example
 
We got our 2 year old, jesus (pronounced hey zeus) neutered about 3 weeks ago. We were desperately worried, particularly as we had just lost our other boar, gary, and had anything happened to jesus, we just wouldnt have been able to cope. We didnt want him on his own and didnt want to "replace" Gary, so we decided to get jesus neutered and put him in with females.
For all our fears, jesus came out of it very much unscathed, he was fine that evening, eating normal veggies and hay. We had him in a small carrier with a fleecy blanket and a small amount of hay and he was absolutely fine. We watched to make sure he was eating, checked the wound every day to ensure no sign of infection and gave him clean fleece every 2 days but, other than that, we didnt need any special measures. 3 weeks on and he's desperate to get in with the 4 girls, think it could be a bit x-rated 😂😂.
As an aside, we fed him as normal on the morning of the op (after vets advice), so id ask your vet, but pretty certain he wont need to fast. Our vet also gave us some recovery food but he wasnt interested at all, choosing to eat hay and veggies when he was ready and less groggy.
Hope all goes well 🙂
 
We got our 2 year old, jesus (pronounced hey zeus) neutered about 3 weeks ago. We were desperately worried, particularly as we had just lost our other boar, gary, and had anything happened to jesus, we just wouldnt have been able to cope. We didnt want him on his own and didnt want to "replace" Gary, so we decided to get jesus neutered and put him in with females.
For all our fears, jesus came out of it very much unscathed, he was fine that evening, eating normal veggies and hay. We had him in a small carrier with a fleecy blanket and a small amount of hay and he was absolutely fine. We watched to make sure he was eating, checked the wound every day to ensure no sign of infection and gave him clean fleece every 2 days but, other than that, we didnt need any special measures. 3 weeks on and he's desperate to get in with the 4 girls, think it could be a bit x-rated 😂😂.
As an aside, we fed him as normal on the morning of the op (after vets advice), so id ask your vet, but pretty certain he wont need to fast. Our vet also gave us some recovery food but he wasnt interested at all, choosing to eat hay and veggies when he was ready and less groggy.
Hope all goes well 🙂
Ah so glad it went well 😌
Yes feed as normal, don't fast. I'm sure Basil will be ok, it's just nerves.
 
Ah so glad it went well 😌
Yes feed as normal, don't fast. I'm sure Basil will be ok, it's just nerves.
Yeah, i get that. I waa already going through the guilt stage of grief with gary, blaming myself for his death, questioning whether we could have done more, and then we were electing to put jesus through an elective procedure that could have gone wrong, so to say i was nervous was an understatement!
Funny thing is, as a 2 year old, he'd stopped doing zoomies or popcorning too often. Since his surgery he's zoomying and popcorning all over the place! 😂😂
How long do you plan to wait after surgery until you put him with females?
We've been told anything from 2 weeks till as much as 8 weeks, loadsof contradictory advice out there. Its been 3 weeks now, we're probably going to wait another week or 2 then put him in and hope for the best. He's currently in a cage next to theirs but its driving him mad, constantly trying to bite through the cage to get to them!
 
Yeah, i get that. I waa already going through the guilt stage of grief with gary, blaming myself for his death, questioning whether we could have done more, and then we were electing to put jesus through an elective procedure that could have gone wrong, so to say i was nervous was an understatement!
Funny thing is, as a 2 year old, he'd stopped doing zoomies or popcorning too often. Since his surgery he's zoomying and popcorning all over the place! 😂😂
How long do you plan to wait after surgery until you put him with females?
We've been told anything from 2 weeks till as much as 8 weeks, loadsof contradictory advice out there. Its been 3 weeks now, we're probably going to wait another week or 2 then put him in and hope for the best. He's currently in a cage next to theirs but its driving him mad, constantly trying to bite through the cage to get to them!
Please wait the full 6 weeks after the operation to put him in with your girls. You seriously don’t want four pregnant piggies! 🥺.
 
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The correct amount of time to wait after neutering is 6 weeks - I’m sorry you’ve heard contradictory things elsewhere but you won’t hear anything other than waiting the full 6 weeks here.
Although the risk reduces over time, if you put him in with sows before 6 weeks you do risk pregnancies.
 
Yeah, i get that. I waa already going through the guilt stage of grief with gary, blaming myself for his death, questioning whether we could have done more, and then we were electing to put jesus through an elective procedure that could have gone wrong, so to say i was nervous was an understatement!
Funny thing is, as a 2 year old, he'd stopped doing zoomies or popcorning too often. Since his surgery he's zoomying and popcorning all over the place! 😂😂
How long do you plan to wait after surgery until you put him with females?
We've been told anything from 2 weeks till as much as 8 weeks, loadsof contradictory advice out there. Its been 3 weeks now, we're probably going to wait another week or 2 then put him in and hope for the best. He's currently in a cage next to theirs but its driving him mad, constantly trying to bite through the cage to get to them!
Glad he's feeling better. I'll be waiting at least 6 weeks as that's what's normally advised. I'd recommend you do the same. @Wiebke had a sow pregnant at 42 days post castration if I remember correctly, so always best to err in the side of caution.
 
Glad he's feeling better. I'll be waiting at least 6 weeks as that's what's normally advised. I'd recommend you do the same. @Wiebke had a sow pregnant at 42 days post castration if I remember correctly, so always best to err in the side of caution.

It was over 5 weeks post-op, so even a few more days and did happen before I adopted her mother and auntie but the little baby in my avatar picture (Tegan, 2011-19) is first-hand proof of an over 5 weeks post-op pregnancy.

At 2 weeks post-op you have about 50% chance of a pregnancy - there is a crucial difference between mostly safe and fully safe that is not necessarily appreciated by all vets. Why spend a lot of money on a neutering operation and then throw it all away by playing live sperm lottery?
Our recommendations follow RSPCA welfare practice, which has been established soon after Tegan's birth and which has now stood the test of time for a decade without any more accidental pregnancies. If there had been, it would have made the rounds like wildfire, believe me!

Boar Care: Bits, Bums & Baths (see the relevant chapter in our neutering guide)
 
So I've just got my boys, Oreo (black and white) and Chunk (black, white and tan).

I have checked them both over, clear ears/eyes/nose/skin. A bit shy but that's to be expected. Also checked to make sure they are both boars. They're 9-10 weeks old and I think breed wise they're American? They're like a brick to pick up, very solid chaps.

The cage they're in is temporary (180x50cm). Waiting for grids and correx to arrive.

They've both been purring and eating hay so I think they're happy :)

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Oh lovely boys well done
 
It was over 5 weeks post-op, so even a few more days and did happen before I adopted her mother and auntie but the little baby in my avatar picture (Tegan, 2011-19) is first-hand proof of an over 5 weeks post-op pregnancy.

At 2 weeks post-op you have about 50% chance of a pregnancy - there is a crucial difference between mostly safe and fully safe that is not necessarily appreciated by all vets. Why spend a lot of money on a neutering operation and then throw it all away by playing live sperm lottery?
Our recommendations follow RSPCA welfare practice, which has been established soon after Tegan's birth and which has now stood the test of time for a decade without any more accidental pregnancies. If there had been, it would have made the rounds like wildfire, believe me!

Boar Care: Bits, Bums & Baths (see the relevant chapter in our neutering guide)
Oh it was over 5 weeks, apologies.
 
6 weeks it is then. Currently got him in one cage, 2 girls isolating in another due to possible URI (one was hooting like an owl. I think hay up her nose but vet said URI so I'm following their advice and separated them and have her on meds, although symptoms seemed to go about 8 hours later) and the baby girls in another! Feel like I'm running a mini zoo 😂😂😂
 
As Basil's op is tomorrow I just want to ask is what antibiotics are normally prescribed for neutering (if not packed inside). I forgot to ask my vet. It's just so I know as a just in case they prescribe the wrong things. (I know penicillin based shouldn't be given to pigs). Also are gut stimulants a must?
 
Today's the day! Basil's got his plums out ready.
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Hes been admitted. Vet is doing abdominal rather than scrotal because of the infection risk being lower. (She's done many of both, successfully, but has noted an increase in infection rates with scrotal. It does appear that abdominal is her preferred method too).
 
Update:

Basil is out of theatre and in recovery. Still sleepy bless him. He's meant to be discharged at 5 but they did say he didn't eat much before surgery, just hid away. So may pick him up earlier to encourage him to eat at home.
 
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