Engel's Herd

Update on Everyone!
(I'll put it in one post as my other thread will get merged with this one).

Eileithyia-Eris
13 months old now and still a snuggle bug. I love our cuddles, I love cuddles off all my lot but there's something special with Eil. It probably stems back to when she was pregnant and me getting in as much love and cuddles just in case there were problems and didn't make it. So now as soon as I pick her up she pancakes and I can lie there with her on my chest (with her pancaked of course) so relaxed and I feel so lucky to have her. There's so much emotion. Anyways, she's doing well loving life. Enjoys nose scritches and chin rubs most days. If you said to me when I got her, 'hey we know she's a baby but she's going to have 2 huge babies, be a fantastic mother, bounce back quickly, be easy to handle, can hand feed her even tiny pellets and stroke her in the cage and have her respond to her name in less than a year. Enjoy.' I'd have thought you were mad. Yet here we are.

Jupiter
Also 13 months old and huge. Family keep saying how much of a monster he is (in size). Love's nose scritches and will accept them multiple times a day. Chin rubs are reserved for lap time only and all he does is pancake and relax. I didn't think he'd be this relaxed when I got him as he's always been very nervous and flighty. I thought maybe a few years time but not yet. He's a lovely little character and will always stick his nose through the bars for a quick nose scratch and greet me. He doesn't feel the need to hide now.

Apollo
Chief Wheeker does an amazing job at alerting the group when food is coming. I can't believe he's almost 1. Doesn't seem that long ago I was watching him be born. He's the same size as Jupi now and they've seemed to have bonded really well despite them being only 3 months apart and going through teenage stage at the same time. They eat together, sleep together, popcorn and do zoomies together. They groom each other and give each other kisses. It's lovely to watch.

Dysnomia
10 months old and heaviest in the group at the moment. She greets me every time I see her, coming right up to me in the cage/hutch. Rarely I can give her a nose scratch but she's my only piggie that isn't a fan of being touched. That being said, we had a nice cuddle so that might change. There's nothing else really to say about her. She makes her mum look small and is a law to herself. (Which is funny as Dysnomia is the goddess of lawlessness). Someone chewed your coat? That'd be Mia. Peed on you, yup Mia. Jumped out the hutch and refusing to go back in. You guessed it, Mia. Lol she's just a character and wouldn't change her for the world.

Cyril
The little squirrel is growing in confidence everyday. Little guy eats like a horse and loves a cuddle. He's come out of his shell really quickly. Both he and Basil do everything together.

Basil
15 weeks old now I think and no doubting he's a boy! Currently he's the loudest wheeker of the group. He's currently going through a phase of rumbling a lot followed by a lot of pop-corning and zoomies before going back to rumbling. Which Cyril then joins in on and they both go zooming around the cage like nutters.

Outdoor pigs have been bought inside. I tried the pads but piggies were so cold to the touch and dropping to 8° in the hutch. Tonight's meant to be colder still and the next 2 weeks is looking the same so I've bought them in as I don't want them to be out in the cold. Everyone's settles. Boys are next to each other in the same configuration as they were last time. I think they remember each other. Both boys greeting the babies through the bars with kisses and lots of wheeking and poporning.

There's 5 piggies in this photo, can you spot them? 😁
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I can almost see 3... 🤔😊

Your choking question, I'm not aware of piggies choking, but they can occasionally eat too fast and make a coughing, clearance noise, which is fine.
 
Yeh that's what it was @Black piggies
He was gobbling up pellets like he hadn't been fed 😐 hasn't happened since and he seems fine. None of the other piggies have ever done it (that I've seen).
 
Sorry I can’t answer your question about greasy fur, is it just his grease gland or all over. You could give him a quick bath if it’s really bad now he is inside. Keep him nice and warm though until he is nice and dry, otherwise if it’s not bothering him then just monitor and see if it settles down
 
Sorry I can’t answer your question about greasy fur, is it just his grease gland or all over. You could give him a quick bath if it’s really bad now he is inside. Keep him nice and warm though until he is nice and dry, otherwise if it’s not bothering him then just monitor and see if it settles down
Basil is one of the new boys so has been inside since I got him (6 weeks ago now. Where's that time gone?!) Because theyve always been indoors and it was late in the season so I didn't put him and Cyril out, I was going to wait until spring next year.

It's not just his grease gland it's all over his back and down his sides. His tummy, head and legs seem fine and not anywhere near as greasy. He does seem to scratch more than the others but he's also marking like a mad man 😅

I don't want to bathe him unless he really needs it. Would brushing him to help distribute oils be worth a try or do you think that will make it worse?

(Basil is the rex by the way)
 
Gosh I don’t know? I would monitor it. If he is scratching excessively then maybe a check to see if he hasn’t any little passengers. It may well settle down and it could be hormones if he is marking a lot
 
Rightly or wrongly I treated them for parasites when I got them and one month after just because I wasn't sure of the environment where I got them from. Just to be on the safe side which I know some people don't agree with. I've not seen any 'friends' although I know mites are too small to see with the naked eye. There's no hair loss so I don't think it is that. 🤞

I was wondering if hormones were playing a part as he's now in the teenage stage. Will keep an eye and if it gets worse I'll bathe him. Thanks @Bill & Ted
 
Rightly or wrongly I treated them for parasites when I got them and one month after just because I wasn't sure of the environment where I got them from. Just to be on the safe side which I know some people don't agree with. I've not seen any 'friends' although I know mites are too small to see with the naked eye. There's no hair loss so I don't think it is that. 🤞

I was wondering if hormones were playing a part as he's now in the teenage stage. Will keep an eye and if it gets worse I'll bathe him. Thanks @Bill & Ted
If the scratching gets worst perhaps a vet can check for mites etc. Hope it’s settles down soon x
 
Help needed

Oh dear I think we're having problems with Cyril and Basil. They were chattering all night (I didn't sleep well). Lunging too but didn't see any nips/bites. I managed to get 2hrs and Cyril has pulled some of Basil's hair out. Can't see bites or anything but I'm thinking of splitting them.

Thoughts?

@Siikibam @Piggies&buns @Wiebke
 
Is one backing off or are they both going for each other?
How old are they now?
How have they been since last night?

It might be hormones and they may calm down but you also need to gauge where they are on the dominance scale

Dominance Behaviours In Guinea Pigs

If things are tense, neither backing down at the moment, then a short separation for a few days to allow them to calm down and reintroduction to decide if they want to be together

Bonds In Trouble
 
Neither is backing down.
Nearly 4 months old.
They've been the same. There's been no stop to it. They'll eat hay for a few seconds then rumble, chatter, lunge, repeat.

By looking at the scale (I have it bookmarked and refering to it last night) they're well in the red zone 😳
 
But no actual fights?
I’d be inclined to separate them if things are not improving, so they can calm down. Of course, whether reintroduction is possible is down to them
 
But no actual fights?
I’d be inclined to separate them if things are not improving, so they can calm down. Of course, whether reintroduction is possible is down to them
I can't see any bite marks but will double check.

Basil keeps trapping Cyril into a corner and chasing him so not sure if there's a bit of bullying going on.

Will seperate for a few days and then try and reintroduce.
 
Well that went well. Lasted about 5 minutes before Basil decided he didn't want to be on his own and somehow got his head stuck in the grid. I don't even know how as his head is too large so must have ran into it with some force. He is out now and is fine. Had some banana for the shock and a cuddle. Back with Cyril and isn't leaving his side. Doing lots of bond confirmation behaviour like grooming next to each other and reciprocating. Currently lay cuddling each other.

Poor guy was terrified. 😳😭
 
Oh gosh, I am so sorry to hear that. I'm glad he is ok. If they have happily reunited themselves (albeit rather dramatically), then it seems they may have made their decision about things. hopefully it was nothing more than a bit of boar bickering that they took a little too far
 
Oh gosh, I am so sorry to hear that. I'm glad he is ok. If they have happily reunited themselves (albeit rather dramatically), then it seems they may have made their decision about things. hopefully it was nothing more than a bit of boar bickering that they took a little too far
Everything is dramatic with boys isn't it 😅
He was stuck only for a few minutes. Horrible to watch as he didn't understand I was trying to help him get out. My brother's were panicking trying to get the oven gloves and wire cutters out of the draw by the cage. Thankfully didn't need them and my hands have remained intact despite the fact basil could have bitten during his panic (which I didn't realise until after he was free and I would have totally understood if he did).

It's just occurred to me that it could've been because one of the girls was in season last night. They only rumble when in season so could've been the pheromones that set them off.
 
It's just occurred to me that it could've been because one of the girls was in season last night. They only rumble when in season so could've been the pheromones that set them off.

Yes, that could absolutely be a reason. Is there any way you can keep them well away from the girls? Or make a divider higher and wider so the pheromones cannot reach them so easily.
 
Ok this is gone even more wrong. There's been another scrap and hair has been pulled out again. Basil's got scratches on his ears. I've got the check them properly now. Got some mesh in that I used when Po and Mia were babies so then use that as a divider as there is no way no one can get their head stuck.
 
I am sorry to hear that things are not working out between them
I've got them seperated but can still interact through the mesh. I'll watch how they go and I may attempt to reintroduce them in a couple of days depending on the communication through bars. Although I can't see it working out.

I've got the vets with the dogs in a week or so's time so will speak to them about getting them castrated with the intention to intro them to the girls. While it'll be sad to split the girls as they get on so well, I know both parties will be happy with their potential husboars
 
Would you consider getting them a new sow rather than splitting up the girls? Or bond one with them and find the other a sow?
 
Would you consider getting them a new sow rather than splitting up the girls? Or bond one with them and find the other a sow?
Yes I have thought this! Depends on what is available. I try and rescue where I can but there's a few breeders near by one of which is involved in showing their pigs.

Is a 6ft hutch big enough for 3 pigs though?
 
Yes - 6ft is fine for two sows and a neutered boar.
Ok and when inside because of weather. Could I have a neutered boar and sows nextdoor to another neutered boar and sows? (Po and Jupiter will always be on top of the stack)
 
Ok and when inside because of weather. Could I have a neutered boar and sows nextdoor to another neutered boar and sows? (Po and Jupiter will always be on top of the stack)

Yes, that is fine. A neutered boar with his own sows will not be bothered by another neutered boar and his sows. It is only bonded boar pairs which can have problems with the presence of sows
 
It's ok. I had a plan a, b and c so it's fine.

Didn't you have a boar that needed neutering? How'd it go?
Yes, I rescued Micah from PAH where he’d been labelled as unable to live with other guinea pigs and had to live alone.
I had him neutered which went well. A minor blip in his recovery as he developed a scrotal abscess but that was speedily dealt with.
He then spent 6 weeks living next door to my 3 sows, desperately trying to break through the barrier.
He’s been very happily living with the girls for just over 2 years now.
 
Yes, I rescued Micah from PAH where he’d been labelled as unable to live with other guinea pigs and had to live alone.
I had him neutered which went well. A minor blip in his recovery as he developed a scrotal abscess but that was speedily dealt with.
He then spent 6 weeks living next door to my 3 sows, desperately trying to break through the barrier.
He’s been very happily living with the girls for just over 2 years now.
Ah good to hear it went well in the end. I bet Micah feels like he's living the dream!
 
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