Bladder treatment

[Mclayton]

Do you know he is peeing? I am not saying it is not possible but I have not really seen a guinea pig peeing every few minutes.
Do you perhaps have him on your lap and you can feel the pee when he squeaks?

Have you taken a video of these squeaks, if not, is it still happening and could you take a video of the sound?

He's definitely peeing, or pooing. Both hurting him. Hard to get a video, cos by the time I get my phone to the cage, he stops. There is a video anyway of his sound. There's alot of history with him. Please read full thread x

 

[piggl]

He's definitely peeing, or pooing. Both hurting him. Hard to get a video, cos by the time I get my phone to the cage, he stops. There is a video anyway of his sound. There's alot of history with him. Please read full thread x

I understand but there is quite a lot of reading and I am trying my best to keep up and offer my perspective.
I went back to look for it and it says the video is removed, so I would not be able to see it anyway.

If you are definitely sure he is excreting something then I am sorry to hear that. Is he on dog or cat Metacam?

 

[Mclayton]

I understand but there is quite a lot of reading and I am trying my best to keep up and offer my perspective.
I went back to look for it and it says the video is removed, so I would not be able to see it anyway.

If you are definitely sure he is excreting something then I am sorry to hear that. Is he on dog or cat Metacam?

Dog metacam. 0.3mls twice a day. I have a appointment with a exotic vet Thursday afternoon. This has been going on since last December, & cost around £700 , & I'm no further forward. He's had x ray, no stones. Bladder scan, clear. 2 urinalysis. No crystals found. UTIs diagnosed, ABs given, then comes back. Been on Sulfratrim & Baytril. So far

 

[piggl]

Dog metacam. 0.3mls twice a day. I have a appointment with a exotic vet Thursday afternoon. This has been going on since last December, & cost around £700 , & I'm no further forward. He's had x ray, no stones. Bladder scan, clear. 2 urinalysis. No crystals found. UTIs diagnosed, ABs given, then comes back. Been on Sulfratrim & Baytril. So far

I'm sorry to hear this, I can not imagine how tough that is for you.

I can understand your disheartenment to hear your boy is in pain again. I would still recommend trying your best to get a video if he starts to squeak again as the vet may find this helpful, but it always seem to be when you need them to do something they suddenly do not want to anymore.
Hopefully his painkillers will kick in soon and give him a bit of relief.

Wishing you all the best for Thursday x

 

[Mclayton]

I'm sorry to hear this, I can not imagine how tough that is for you.

I can understand your disheartenment to hear your boy is in pain again. I would still recommend trying your best to get a video if he starts to squeak again as the vet may find this helpful, but it always seem to be when you need them to do something they suddenly do not want to anymore.
Hopefully his painkillers will kick in soon and give him a bit of relief.

Wishing you all the best for Thursday x

Thank you x

 

[Piggies&buns]

The thing that has always baffled me with all of this is that he is on a good dose of metacam but still squeaks.

The reality is, you are doing all you can and you do just need the vet to give you further guidance.

I had forgotten that he has had sulfatrim before (I had only remembered he had had Baytril). You mentioned about septrin earlier today. They are actually the same medication - the active ingredient in both is the same thing.

 

[Mclayton]

The thing that has always baffled me with all of this is that he is on a good dose of metacam but still squeaks.

The reality is, you are doing all you can and you do just need the vet to give you further guidance.

I had forgotten that he has had sulfatrim before (I had only remembered he had had Baytril). You mentioned about septrin earlier today. They are actually the same medication - the active ingredient in both is the same

 

[Mclayton]

The thing that has always baffled me with all of this is that he is on a good dose of metacam but still squeaks.

The reality is, you are doing all you can and you do just need the vet to give you further guidance.

I had forgotten that he has had sulfatrim before (I had only remembered he had had Baytril). You mentioned about septrin earlier today. They are actually the same medication - the active ingredient in both is the same thing.

There's blood in the cage now, small patches on the wood shavings. So upset. Nothing I can do! He had his metacam at 7.30. This is the worst I've heard him

 

[Piggies&buns]

There's blood in the cage now, small patches on the wood shavings. So upset. Nothing I can do! He had his metacam at 7.30. This is the worst I've heard him

It may be porphyrins rather than blood. Try not to be upset. You have done wonderfully for him. Keep up with his metacam and let’s hope the vet on Thursday has some ideas

 

[Mclayton]

Worried about Bubble now, & this blood in the cage. As you know,bits only a 120cm

 

[Free Ranger]

If it's enough of an infection to make him have bouts of crying and pain like that it shouldn't then disappear the next day, if you see what I mean.

With infection the inflammation is caused by the bacteria multiplying in the urinary tract (like in the bladder or urethra). When he pees he'll pee out some of the bacteria - maybe even most of it - but the remaining bacteria will carry on reproducing. Sometimes they stick to the walls of the bladder which makes them harder to shift. We don't really see the bugs, we just see the effect. This is probably why my own boy had a 'negative' bacterial culture but was clearly infected because there was a lot of blood but antibiotics halted his pain overnight and it didn't come back. The tint of blood took a few more days but it got less and less. There was no up-and-down if you see what I mean. He had Baytril first - no effect - switched to Septrin - that one worked. If I can take out the pain and the stress and the grief and just look at the pattern it was quite straightforward. But poor Squeak seems very up and down. If he had bladder sludge at least that might explain pain and struggling for a time followed by easily peeing after. But they ruled that out by x-ray didn't they (?)

I was actually quite surprised that George had a negative culture. Considering his long-term impaction you would have thought all manner of bacteria were in there... there probably were actually. His penis was tucked away within his anal pouch so it was marinading in fudgy poop for much of the time. I'm not sure what the more invasive bladder-sampling technique would achieve for your boy but perhaps the next vet visit would explain more. If Squeaks had a positive culture before, the antibiotic should have dealt with it. You're looking after them well and Bubble is doing fine. I know it's not easy x

 

[Mclayton]

It may be porphyrins rather than blood. Try not to be upset. You have done wonderfully for him. Keep up with his metacam and let’s hope the vet on Thursday has some ideas

 

[Mclayton]

If it's enough of an infection to make him have bouts of crying and pain like that it shouldn't then disappear the next day, if you see what I mean.

With infection the inflammation is caused by the bacteria multiplying in the urinary tract (like in the bladder or urethra). When he pees he'll pee out some of the bacteria - maybe even most of it - but the remaining bacteria will carry on reproducing. Sometimes they stick to the walls of the bladder which makes them harder to shift. We don't really see the bugs, we just see the effect. This is probably why my own boy had a 'negative' bacterial culture but was clearly infected because there was a lot of blood but antibiotics halted his pain overnight and it didn't come back. The tint of blood took a few more days but it got less and less. There was no up-and-down if you see what I mean. He had Baytril first - no effect - switched to Septrin - that one worked. If I can take out the pain and the stress and the grief and just look at the pattern it was quite straightforward. But poor Squeak seems very up and down. If he had bladder sludge at least that might explain pain and struggling for a time followed by easily peeing after. But they ruled that out by x-ray didn't they (?)

I was actually quite surprised that George had a negative culture. Considering his long-term impaction you would have thought all manner of bacteria were in there... there probably were actually. His penis was tucked away within his anal pouch so it was marinading in fudgy poop for much of the time. I'm not sure what the more invasive bladder-sampling technique would achieve for your boy but perhaps the next vet visit would explain more. If Squeaks had a positive culture before, the antibiotic should have dealt with it. You're looking after them well and Bubble is doing fine. I know it's not easy x

There was a small amount of bacteria in the culture, but my previous vet said to leave him 2 weeks without treatment to see how he gets on

 

[Piggies&buns]

Worried about Bubble now, & this blood in the cage. As you know,bits only a 120cm

What’s worrying you about this?

I do completely agree with Free Ranger and these are certainly what my thoughts have been all along - It is very inconsistent and doesn’t seem to add up!

 

[Mclayton]

What’s worrying you about this?

I do completely agree with Free Ranger and these are certainly what my thoughts have been all along - It is very inconsistent and doesn’t seem to add up!

I'm absolutely telling you the truth. Honestly. He had a bad Sunday evening in the pen, patches of ,, maybe blood. Had his metacam, then settled. Monday he was ok. Been ok this evening until after 7. Constant squeaking, & this red stuff every single time. I'm worried about Bubble, cos if it is UTI, & all this in the cage on the wood shavings, I'm scared of him catching it. I definitely can't afford to treat both at the same time. The rescue would have to take them.

 

[Piggies&buns]

I'm absolutely telling you the truth. Honestly. He had a bad Sunday evening in the pen, patches of ,, maybe blood. Had his metacam, then settled. Monday he was ok. Been ok this evening until after 7. Constant squeaking, & this red stuff every single time. I'm worried about Bubble, cos if it is UTI, & all this in the cage on the wood shavings, I'm scared of him catching it. I definitely can't afford to treat both at the same time. The rescue would have to take them.

We believe you, don’t think otherwise. It’s just a strange set of circumstances that have been going on for so long. A bacterial infection is dealt with by an antibiotic course, sometimes it takes longer than others perhaps if the right antibiotic wasn’t used but they don’t tend to go the way you have been experiencing. Some of it seems a bit more like IC but the fact bacteria has been found discounts IC.

 

[Mclayton]

We believe you, don’t think otherwise. It’s just a strange set of circumstances that have been going on for so long. A bacterial infection is dealt with by an antibiotic course, sometimes it takes longer than others perhaps if the right antibiotic wasn’t used but they don’t tend to go the way you have been experiencing. Some of it seems a bit more like IC but the fact bacteria has been found discounts IC.

This is also what is causing me so much anxiety, as well, is all very strange what's going on, & I'm so stressed now, that I've spent £700 & he's worse tonight than ever

 

[Free Ranger]

I'm absolutely telling you the truth. Honestly.

Oh Sweetheart - I'm not doubting you Squeaks doesn't follow a pattern is all, and if he's an IC piggy it is a protracted process to get a diagnosis. If you suffer from anxiety it's a double burden as an owner.

I've not had any IC piggies but I've had quite a few with UTI and most of the time it's completely straightforward - we don't even get a culture - we just get baytril and metacam and it's sorted. The only issues have been if the bug was resistant (no change in symptoms - so change AB - piggy quickly improves) or if the bug was sensitive but the course was a bit too short so some bad bacteria lingered (piggy quickly improves on AB - AB stops and symptoms quickly return - AB reintroduced and piggy quickly improves again - just give for a longer time). My vets are pretty quick with antibiotics though; they don't tell me to hang on a few weeks just in case if they think they can help with piggy's pain.

We've never had a UTI that has passed from pig to pig and while I've been on here I've never seen anyone else say that either. That's not really a thing for UTI so I wouldn't worry about your other boy picking anything up.

 

[Mclayton]

We believe you, don’t think otherwise. It’s just a strange set of circumstances that have been going on for so long. A bacterial infection is dealt with by an antibiotic course, sometimes it takes longer than others perhaps if the right antibiotic wasn’t used but they don’t tend to go the way you have been experiencing. Some of it seems a bit more like IC but the fact bacteria has been found discounts IC.

This is how the red has dried. I really am struggling now to understand what's going on. Right now, he's running, popcorning cos its nearly fresh food time!

 

[Piggies&buns]

Blood dries to brown but I find it harder to tell on disposable bedding which is already slightly brown anyway. Much easier to see on white fabric bedding. You really need the vet to be able to check his urine to know any more though.

 

[Mclayton]

Blood dries to brown but I find it harder to tell on disposable bedding which is already slightly brown anyway. Much easier to see on white fabric bedding. You really need the vet to be able to check his urine to know any more though.

This is how its dried on a white flee

Blood dries to brown but I find it harder to tell on disposable bedding which is already slightly brown anyway. Much easier to see on white fabric bedding. You really need the vet to be able to check his urine to know any more though.

This is how its dried on the white fleece

 

[Mclayton]

Blood dries to brown but I find it harder to tell on disposable bedding which is already slightly brown anyway. Much easier to see on white fabric bedding. You really need the vet to be able to check his urine to know any more though.

This is how its dried on the white fleece

 

[Mclayton]

Blood dries to brown but I find it harder to tell on disposable bedding which is already slightly brown anyway. Much easier to see on white fabric bedding. You really need the vet to be able to check his urine to know any more though.

I've been given some Pro C probiotic just incase its an issue with the fibreplex. I've used it before, in water, but I don't want to do that this time as Bubble was drinking it. I know you can sprinkle it on food. I want to sprinkle it on his lettuce, as cystease is sprinkled on his cucumber. So,, how much Pro C powder do I sprinkle on his lettuce after his ABs? I know it has to be a hour + after

 

[Piggies&buns]

I've been given some Pro C probiotic just incase its an issue with the fibreplex. I've used it before, in water, but I don't want to do that this time as Bubble was drinking it. I know you can sprinkle it on food. I want to sprinkle it on his lettuce, as cystease is sprinkled on his cucumber. So,, how much Pro C powder do I sprinkle on his lettuce after his ABs? I know it has to be a hour + after

You should not add anything to drinking bottles in any event

Just a pinch. I don’t believe there is any exact measurement

 

[Mclayton]

You should not add anything to drinking bottles in any event

Just a pinch. I don’t believe there is any exact measurement

Well, I did think that about the water, but it says on the back of the container, 1 scoop in 200ml water.

 

[Piggies&buns]

Well, I did think that about the water, but it says on the back of the container, 1 scoop in 200ml water.

That is how you would make it and probably how they would say to give it but do bear in mind that there is a lot of information out there that isn’t good advice!

 

[Mclayton]

That is how you would make it and probably how they would say to give it but do bear in mind that there is a lot of information out there that isn’t good advice!

Yes. That's why I always come on here for advice, & drive everybody mad!

 

[Piggies&buns]

Yes. That's why I always come on here for advice, & drive everybody mad!

You’re not driving anyone mad. We are all here because we want to help

 

[Mclayton]

You’re not driving anyone mad. We are all here because we want to help

Thank you. will NEVER understand what going on! Squeak is doing zoomies right now with Bubble, & popcorning with delight!? My appointment tomorrow, 2.20 & I'm travelling half an hour in a taxi to get there! Major cost, but need to see this vet. Has 3 practice's, one near me, but he's not available there on my days off. That's how much I love him, I'm willing to pay taxi fare to see this vet

 

[weepweeps]

Good luck at the specialist vets.