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Yes, bacteria in wee is a UTI, but there is some uncertainty whether the bacteria in the urine is actually from him. Vet mentioned about inserting a needle directly into his bladder to get a more sterile sample, but says its invasive, & I don't want to put him through it, & there's the cost. If she was certain the bacteria was from his bladder, & not from hairs etc, he would be on treatment now, & not leave him 2 weeks. Yes, I always clean the cage when in the playpen, but they are still in the cage in the morning when I do a spot clean

Yes I know all that. If your vet isn’t worried, being on the pain meds and not being on the pain meds hasn’t made any difference - then I would not worry any longer. Of course quietly monitor, but don’t focus on watching him pee.

A spot clean and a full clean are two very different things. A spot clean won’t remove all scent, a full clean will so if you do a full clean when they aren’t in the cage then it may well be more upsetting to them.
 
Yes I know all that. If your vet isn’t worried, being on the pain meds and not being on the pain meds hasn’t made any difference - then I would not worry any longer. Of course quietly monitor, but don’t focus on watching him pee.

A spot clean and a full clean are two very different things. A spot clean won’t remove all scent, a full clean will so if you do a full clean when they aren’t in the cage then it may well be more upsetting to them.
Yes I realise they are different. When I do my full clean then, I will add some wood shavings from the previous time, back into the clean cage. How can I clean the wooden huts then? I spray them with pet safe disinfectant too, but only do this once a week.
 
Hi. I don't know what to think anymore. He's had a urine culture done at the lab. It came back with a small amount of bacteria that is resistant to Baytril which he has been on a month. (Finished 3 weeks ago). Now, vet not absolutely certain the bacteria is from him. The sample could have been contaminated in the container he was in to catch the sample. She said leave him for 2 weeks, & see what happens. Its so hit & miss. He can go a few days with no squeaking, then start again, then a couple days ok again. I'm really struggling to be certain if its a painful squeak, or not,, cos surely, it would happen every single time he did a wee, & not hit & miss. The other issue i have, the vet may prescribe Doxycycline, which I'm worried about the side affects. I'm so stressed with it all. I don't want to put him through treatment, if the sounds he's making, are not pain sounds
I’m so sorry you are going through so much stress. I can relate all too well with my poppy. We also did a ursine sample before xmas which showed a rare bacteria that my vet had never seen in piggies and the only safe antibiotics were doxycycline. I was terrified especially after reading on here. However she coped very well on it for the 10 day course. She had fibreplex as her probiotics and I topped her up with critical care feeds in the day which she enjoyed just to be extra careful. Not to say your little one won’t have negative side effects but thought I’d share a positive story ❤️
Also my vet wasn’t 100% sure that the bacteria was from her urine and may have been from her poop as she pooped at the same time but told me it isn’t a bacteria which should be found in their poop either which is interesting. Did they tell you what bacteria it was? X
 
I’m so sorry you are going through so much stress. I can relate all too well with my poppy. We also did a ursine sample before xmas which showed a rare bacteria that my vet had never seen in piggies and the only safe antibiotics were doxycycline. I was terrified especially after reading on here. However she coped very well on it for the 10 day course. She had fibreplex as her probiotics and I topped her up with critical care feeds in the day which she enjoyed just to be extra careful. Not to say your little one won’t have negative side effects but thought I’d share a positive story ❤️
Also my vet wasn’t 100% sure that the bacteria was from her urine and may have been from her poop as she pooped at the same time but told me it isn’t a bacteria which should be found in their poop either which is interesting. Did they tell you what bacteria it was? X
I realise I wasn’t so clear when I said the only safe antibiotic. I mean the only safe one for this bacteria ! X
 
I’m so sorry you are going through so much stress. I can relate all too well with my poppy. We also did a ursine sample before xmas which showed a rare bacteria that my vet had never seen in piggies and the only safe antibiotics were doxycycline. I was terrified especially after reading on here. However she coped very well on it for the 10 day course. She had fibreplex as her probiotics and I topped her up with critical care feeds in the day which she enjoyed just to be extra careful. Not to say your little one won’t have negative side effects but thought I’d share a positive story ❤️
Also my vet wasn’t 100% sure that the bacteria was from her urine and may have been from her poop as she pooped at the same time but told me it isn’t a bacteria which should be found in their poop either which is interesting. Did they tell you what bacteria it was? X
No they didn't tell me what bacteria, only that it was resistant to Baytril. He has no signs at all that it is a UTI, only the sometimes squeak when weeing, but definitely not everytime. He's absolutely fine tonight, & not been on Metacam for 11 days now, & he's fine. If he's not in pain, it can't be UTI, so maybe bacteria picked up from the hairs in the container i collected the sample. He was moulting. Thank you for your positive story 🙂 he's spent a month on Baytril, & no top up feeding & no probiotic. He was absolutely fine. I live on my own & suffer anxiety, so I do panic at the slightest thing. I just want give them the best life, after such a vile 6 month start to their lives
 
...This may sound absolutely silly, but have you checked his boy bits and pocket? One of my boys sometimes got hay/hairballs stuck in there and it bothered him when going potty. Your whole situation does sound odd though. I'm sorry nothing useful comes to mind.
 
...This may sound absolutely silly, but have you checked his boy bits and pocket? One of my boys sometimes got hay/hairballs stuck in there and it bothered him when going potty. Your whole situation does sound odd though. I'm sorry nothing useful comes to mind.
Yes, I have checked. Thanks
 
Yes I know all that. If your vet isn’t worried, being on the pain meds and not being on the pain meds hasn’t made any difference - then I would not worry any longer. Of course quietly monitor, but don’t focus on watching him pee.

A spot clean and a full clean are two very different things. A spot clean won’t remove all scent, a full clean will so if you do a full clean when they aren’t in the cage then it may well be more upsetting to them.
I've come to the conclusion now, that there is nothing wrong with Squeak. He's absolutely no different on or off treatment. He's never shown any signs of illness even right from the start. So, the blood in his wee, probably wasn't blood. Looked like it though. Some evenings he squeaks, & some evenings he doesn't. Its probably just him
 
I've come to the conclusion now, that there is nothing wrong with Squeak. He's absolutely no different on or off treatment. He's never shown any signs of illness even right from the start. So, the blood in his wee, probably wasn't blood. Looked like it though. Some evenings he squeaks, & some evenings he doesn't. Its probably just him

Porphyrins can stain urine pink or red. Porphyrins are a natural dye, not blood, and are common at the start of a bacterial infection. Urine with porphyrins may or may not contain blood.
I can’t remember, did the vet actually test and find blood in his urine? I mean he had a bacterial infection so either way it is what it is, but if he is ok now, then that’ll hopefully be an end to it!
 
Porphyrins can stain urine pink or red. Porphyrins are a natural dye, not blood, and are common at the start of a bacterial infection. Urine with porphyrins may or may not contain blood.
I can’t remember, did the vet actually test and find blood in his urine? I mean he had a bacterial infection so either way it is what it is, but if he is ok now, then that’ll hopefully be an end to it!
They said there was no blood in his wee when it was tested 2 days after
 
Its never happened since, & his urine has never been smelly
Now, something interesting has just happened. I've just cleaned the cage, with them in it, but I've also had the hoover on by the cage to get up the wood shavings. Squeak has just done a series of squeaky wees. This could well a nervous or scared sound then, & not pain. Besides, he's been off the metacam for 2 weeks now. This sound could be because he's frightened of the hoover, although its not happened before. Its just too coincidental after doing this, he's just done a few squeaky wees. Nervous wees?
 
Its never happened since, & his urine has never been smelly
Please help. 😢 Squeak is doing quite a few squeaky wees. He's in the pen at the moment playing in his cube. He's only started since cleaning the cage, but I rarely hear him in the day. Feel very stressed again. Shall I call the vets Tuesday? Shall I start the metacam again? The vet said leave him 2 weeks to see what happens with him, well its 2 weeks Wednesday. This is never just sounds. I'm upset, as I don't want to give him vile Doxycycline.
 
If it's nervous wees they should calm down again. If it's a genuine infection he'll get worse overnight and be worse again tomorrow. My girl sometimes does squeaky wees - but it's not pain or sterile IC because it's just an odd one here or there. It's usually when I'm staring at her! She's indoors so I'd hear her if she did them at other times. When my old boar had a UTI you could hear him cry all over the house. After 24 hours on the right antibiotic he stopped completely - it was such a difference. With the wrong antibiotic there was hardly any difference but there was absolutely no "is-he-or-isn't-he" question - there was blood over the floor, he wouldn't come out of the snuggle sack, and he was wet through underneath. Wait and see tomorrow. He might be completely back to normal.
 
If it's nervous wees they should calm down again. If it's a genuine infection he'll get worse overnight and be worse again tomorrow. My girl sometimes does squeaky wees - but it's not pain or sterile IC because it's just an odd one here or there. It's usually when I'm staring at her! She's indoors so I'd hear her if she did them at other times. When my old boar had a UTI you could hear him cry all over the house. After 24 hours on the right antibiotic he stopped completely - it was such a difference. With the wrong antibiotic there was hardly any difference but there was absolutely no "is-he-or-isn't-he" question - there was blood over the floor, he wouldn't come out of the snuggle sack, and he was wet through underneath. Wait and see tomorrow. He might be completely back to normal.
This was last night. I need ring vets tomorrow morning
 

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Yes - that's something the vet needs to see either by photograph or by taking in the fleece. I get the sense that you're heading towards an SIC diagnosis. It's not something I've seen myself, and it seems to only be diagnosed by eliminating everything else so diagnosis takes much longer than pinpointing UTI or stones. And the red pee is apparently often a pinky-red colour caused by porphyrins not actual blood. Reading through the thread again there does appear to be a behavioural aspect to these squeaky pees even if it's not every time. There isn't a behavioral trigger to symptoms from stones or bacterial urinary infection.

One vet told me that this was investigated in a group of cats with SIC and they were homed in a cattery with a very fixed routine. Lots of the symptoms went away until they changed aspects of the routine and then it flared up again in some of the cats. Vet Simon says he is seeing more piggies with SIC these days and although it is not something 'curable' it can generally be managed. This might not be a quick fix for Squeak but living with a condition and learning between all of you how to keep him comfortable x
 
I agree - the fact he has been on and off treatment and it has now returned again a few weeks after treatment ended, that is something that happens with IC. But porphyrins also occur where there is an infection. You need the vet to take a clean urine sample so it can properly be checked for bacteria - We know he has had bacteria in the past whereas IC is sterile so knowing whether there is bacteria (or whether it was indeed from cross contamination) is important to diagnosing.
If there is definitely no bacteria and no other reason, then that makes IC a probability.
 
Yes - that's something the vet needs to see either by photograph or by taking in the fleece. I get the sense that you're heading towards an SIC diagnosis. It's not something I've seen myself, and it seems to only be diagnosed by eliminating everything else so diagnosis takes much longer than pinpointing UTI or stones. And the red pee is apparently often a pinky-red colour caused by porphyrins not actual blood. Reading through the thread again there does appear to be a behavioural aspect to these squeaky pees even if it's not every time. There isn't a behavioral trigger to symptoms from stones or bacterial urinary infection.

One vet told me that this was investigated in a group of cats with SIC and they were homed in a cattery with a very fixed routine. Lots of the symptoms went away until they changed aspects of the routine and then it flared up again in some of the cats. Vet Simon says he is seeing more piggies with SIC these days and although it is not something 'curable' it can generally be managed. This might not be a quick fix for Squeak but living with a condition and learning between all of you how to keep him comfortable x
Well, to be honest, he had a perfect day yesterday, & especially during the evening when he seems to start. Since seeing the possible blood, I started him on metacam again, 0.3mls twice a day, & upped his cystease from 1 capsule to 1 & a half, & he was absolutely fine yesterday
 
I agree - the fact he has been on and off treatment and it has now returned again a few weeks after treatment ended, that is something that happens with IC. But porphyrins also occur where there is an infection. You need the vet to take a clean urine sample so it can properly be checked for bacteria - We know he has had bacteria in the past whereas IC is sterile so knowing whether there is bacteria (or whether it was indeed from cross contamination) is important to diagnosing.
If there is definitely no bacteria and no other reason, then that makes IC a probability.
How does a vet tske a clean urine sample? If you mean, injecting ftom the bladder under sedation, been told by vet its quite invasive & expensive. I can't afford it 😢
 
How does a vet tske a clean urine sample? If you mean, injecting ftom the bladder under sedation, been told by vet its quite invasive & expensive. I can't afford it 😢

i mean for you to see if a nurse can sit with him while he pees so they know it’s going into a clean container
 
i mean for you to see if a nurse can sit with him while he pees so they know it’s going into a clean container
Have to say this though, he was absolutely fine last night, after him going back on metacam & upping the cystease from 1 capsule to 1 & a half. No squeaks, perfect wees
 
i mean for you to see if a nurse can sit with him while he pees so they know it’s going into a clean container
I've been told by the lady who runs our local rescue, to contact her vets as they are exotic specialists, so I'm ringing them this morning to see if I can transferr there & get him looked at again. I'm going round in circles at my vets that's already cost £700, & no further forward
 
I’m not sure the cytease would have any effect that quickly. I know he was already on it though.

The metacam would make a difference within a few hours if he is in pain.
The confusing thing is, he has been on metacam for a long time and was still making noises so it’s strange that it seems to have worked now but hadn’t seemed to make any difference for all that time?! Perhaps it was just because the effect was greater - he had gone from not having it to having it yesterday.

I've been told by the lady who runs our local rescue, to contact her vets as they are exotic specialists, so I'm ringing them this morning to see if I can transferr there & get him looked at again. I'm going round in circles at my vets that's already cost £700, & no further forward

Sounds a good idea.
The thing is, should he be diagnosed with IC then what you have gone through would be about right - everything else has to be ruled out first and it can take months to get to that point.
 
I’m not sure the cytease would have any effect that quickly. I know he was already on it though.

The metacam would make a difference within a few hours if he is in pain.
The confusing thing is, he has been on metacam for a long time and was still making noises so it’s strange that it seems to have worked now but hadn’t seemed to make any difference for all that time?! Perhaps it was just because the effect was greater - he had gone from not having it to having it yesterday.



Sounds a good idea.
The thing is, should he be diagnosed with IC then what you have gone through would be about right - everything else has to be ruled out first and it can take months to get to that point.
Yes. Its already 5 months now. I don't know what more I can do though for suspected IC. He's already on a fixed fresh food diet, grain free pellets, filtered water. His fresh foods are little gem, coriander, green or yellow pepper, cucumber. & always soaked in filtered water. Cystease daily, & back on metacam. Well, rheumocam. Thats metacam isn't it? Its all been strange to me.
 
Yes. Its already 5 months now. I don't know what more I can do though for suspected IC. He's already on a fixed fresh food diet, grain free pellets, filtered water. His fresh foods are little gem, coriander, green or yellow pepper, cucumber. & always soaked in filtered water. Cystease daily, & back on metacam. Well, rheumocam. Thats metacam isn't it? Its all been strange to me.

Yes that’s the same pain relief.

If it is IC then you are doing what would be recommended.
 
Fingers crossed all goes well for you, I can see how much you have been through and it is clear how much you love your boys.

Hope you get a clear answer soon x
 
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