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Have you weighed the other pups yet? Could you post photos please.
 
Piggies&buns said:
It’s individual to each piggy - there isn’t a healthy weight.
What you are looking for is that they gain weight each day and that the boar is separated from the sows before there is a risk of further pregnancies
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I don’t wanna keep the baby with the dad yet since I haven’t learnt how to bond them.
 
Erwin & Baymax said:
I don’t wanna keep the baby with the dad yet since I haven’t learnt how to bond them.
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There are bonding guides on here to help But you must keep the baby with the older boar . The baby boar will need guidance from an older piggy. Plus the baby boar cannot stay in the same cage with the sows.
 
Siikibam said:
You have those pellet things in the corner thing where one of the piggies is sitting. Can you not use those? It's really not a good idea for them to be sitting /standing in their urine. Changing every 3 days isn't enough, it's likely soaked through.
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No I wash the cage every 3 days but I change the newspaper every morning. And do I not give them pellets or is the bowl too deep?
 
Erwin & Baymax said:
No I wash the cage every 3 days but I change the newspaper every morning. And do I not give them pellets or is the bowl too deep?
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In your photo of the cage, there is a pup sitting in a corner thing at the top left of the photo. What is in there? It looks like bedding of some sort.

You should be giving them unlimited pellets for now. But once they reach 3 weeks they will need to be on 2 tablespoons of adult pellets (or 1 tablespoon of young pellets).
 
Piggies&buns said:
There are bonding guides on here to help But you must keep the baby with the older boar . The baby boar will need guidance from an older piggy. Plus the baby boar cannot stay in the same cage with the sows.
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Okay thank you. After I bond them I’ll try free roaming them together. Can the baby boar stay with the baby sow until they are 3 weeks?
 
Erwin & Baymax said:
No I wash the cage every 3 days but I change the newspaper every morning. And do I not give them pellets or is the bowl too deep?
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Those look to be paper based pellets in the corner tray - they are fine as bedding. I personally would put a layer of newspaper in the cage, put a thick layer of paper based bedding pellets on top of the newspaper and then cover the whole thing with hay so they can forage at will. You then need to remove wet areas every day
 
You need to weigh them every day. If the boar is 250g before 3 weeks then you separate. If he reaches 3 weeks but isn't 250g you separate. So separate at 250g or at 3 weeks. That's why I said you have to be precise with your dates and their age.
 
Siikibam said:
In your photo of the cage, there is a pup sitting in a corner thing at the top left of the photo. What is in there? It looks like bedding of some sort.

You should be giving them unlimited pellets for now. But once they reach 3 weeks they will need to be on 2 tablespoons of adult pellets (or 1 tablespoon of young pellets).
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It is cat litter. It is a toilet for them.
 
Erwin & Baymax said:
Okay thank you. After I bond them I’ll try free roaming them together. Can the baby boar stay with the baby sow until they are 3 weeks?
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To be honest, if you are only keeping the boars, then I would bond the older and the baby boar now and let them live together.
I cant see benefit in him living with the baby sows at this point. @Siikibam what do you think?
 
Guinea pigs will generally go everywhere. So you need to use the cat litter everywhere in the base of the cage.
 
Piggies&buns said:
To be honest, if you are only keeping the boars, then I would bond the older and the baby boar now and let them live together.
I cant see benefit in him living with the baby sows at this point. @Siikibam what do you think?
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I agree. There is no point keeping the boar in with the sows. He will do well with socialising with dad. Actually they should hopefully bond well because dad was living with him before. We did actually mention this on your other thread.
 
Siikibam said:
Guinea pigs will generally go everywhere. So you need to use the cat litter everywhere in the base of the cage.
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I have tried that when I first got my 2 guinea pigs (Mickey and Charlie). It was gross they split food everywhere and it stunk terribly after 3 days.
 
Erwin & Baymax said:
I have tried that when I first got my 2 guinea pigs (Mickey and Charlie). It was gross they split food everywhere and it stunk terribly after 3 days.
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That is what happens. you need to clean them out regularly. You cannot litter train them, so I would spread an absorbent layer in the bottom of the cage and then put hay everywhere in the cage and let them have free forage through mountains of hay every day. removing wet hay daily
 
They cannot be trained to only go in one corner. If you are lucky they will do it. But they are incontinent which means they go everywhere. I don't think spilling food everywhere is the issue. Wet hay and poo is the main cause of smelly cages.

Have you weighed the other two yet? Please can you do so and post the weights here.

You should also separate them into their pairs. As @Piggies&buns said, there is no benefit to the boar pup staying in with the sows.

Erwin & Baymax said:
I have tried that when I first got my 2 guinea pigs (Mickey and Charlie). It was gross they split food everywhere and it stunk terribly after 3 days.
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Siikibam said:
I agree. There is no point keeping the boar in with the sows. He will do well with socialising with dad. Actually they should hopefully bond well because dad was living with him before. We did actually mention this on your other thread.
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I will try this tomorrow night after work! But there is one sow who is super dependent. She would squeak super loud and wait for me at the cage entrance when she’s hungry. She doesn’t know how to eat by herself and I have to hand feed her solids. She knows how to eat grass and hay fine but when it comes to cucumbers and bell peppers she needs help.
 
Erwin & Baymax said:
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I will try this tomorrow night after work! But there is one sow who is super dependent. She would squeak super loud and wait for me at the cage entrance when she’s hungry. She doesn’t know how to eat by herself and I have to hand feed her solids. She knows how to eat grass and hay fine but when it comes to cucumbers and bell peppers she needs help.
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That makes no difference to her living with the baby boar.
They learn how to eat from each other. She has the other sow. She isn't going to learn anything from you. As long as she is eating plenty of hay she will be fine.


This is the bonding guide Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics
It should be fairly easy to get the baby boar and the older boar back together given the baby is desperate for guidance.
If you ever cage the boar pair, then you must make sure your cage is bigger than the one in the picture. That looks to be below welfare standards and definitely not big enough for a boar pair so dont try to keep them in it, particularly as you will have two teen boars together.
 
Siikibam said:
They cannot be trained to only go in one corner. If you are lucky they will do it. But they are incontinent which means they go everywhere. I don't think spilling food everywhere is the issue. Wet hay and poo is the main cause of smelly cages.

Have you weighed the other two yet? Please can you do so and post the weights here.

You should also separate them into their pairs. As @Piggies&buns said, there is no benefit to the boar pup staying in with the sows.
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Just give it to her in her mouth and let her at it.

You need to weigh the other two now.
 
Siikibam said:
They cannot be trained to only go in one corner. If you are lucky they will do it. But they are incontinent which means they go everywhere. I don't think spilling food everywhere is the issue. Wet hay and poo is the main cause of smelly cages.

Have you weighed the other two yet? Please can you do so and post the weights here.

You should also separate them into their pairs. As @Piggies&buns said, there is no benefit to the boar pup staying in with the sows.
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Good. Write them down and keep a record of their weights from now on. You must weigh daily for now until they are three weeks. Dad also needs weighing every week. You will need to do the separation tomorrow as you say. Read the guide thoroughly before you do so. Try to do it in a place where your adult boar hasn't been roaming around.
 
I would also suggest you house the boars in another part of the room. Don't let them free roam near the sows. When you are doing anything, be sure to handle the boars first.
 
Siikibam said:
Good. Write them down and keep a record of their weights from now on. You must weigh daily for now until they are three weeks. Dad also needs weighing every week. You will need to do the separation tomorrow as you say. Read the guide thoroughly before you do so. Try to do it in a place where your adult boar hasn't been roaming around.
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I use oaten hay instead of regular Timothy hay since it’s a way cheaper alternative. I’ve tried Timothy hay and Mickey didn’t really like it he mostly nibbled it while with oaten hay he eats tons. Is it okay for them?
 
Erwin & Baymax said:
I use oaten hay instead of regular Timothy hay since it’s a way cheaper alternative. I’ve tried Timothy hay and Mickey didn’t really like it he mostly nibbled it while with oaten hay he eats tons. Is it okay for them?
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Yes that's fine.

You know what, I would separate them now actually. Why wait till tomorrow? Do you have a cage for the boars to live in? You will have to get a bigger one because they need more space than sows - minimum 150x60cm but 180x60cm is preferable.
 
Siikibam said:
I would also suggest you house the boars in another part of the room. Don't let them free roam near the sows. When you are doing anything, be sure to handle the boars first.
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The free roam boars will be upstairs and the sows will be down stairs. They will be far apart like 20 stairs apart.
 
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