COVID-19 Coronavirus

PigglePuggle said:
Here in "covid central" in Liverpool our uni is pretty much constantly 20% attendance or less and many students are angry at being asked to attend, anyone who works in a school or care setting or who has 2 or 3 kids in school or nursery is pretty much routinely having to stay home for a week or 10 days every other week or so, and having to get themselves and their family tested every couple of weeks... so many postal workers are off sick the post stopped being delivered regularly a week ago, the postman told me they have parcels piling up in 6ft high heaps with nobody to sort and deliver it, even schools with few cases amongst the kids are sending kids home because the teachers are self isolating... I think here its really time to stop pretending and let us all stay home and stay safe and have a nice comfy pyjama fortnight or month where we know what's going on at least!
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I totally agree! We also got a message saying there'll be post delays as 9 of our posties are covid positive. We've had to isolate with lillie a few times for coughs and thank heavens its been a false alarm but I don't like it at all. I think 2 weeks at home really would be for the best 😳 honestly I'm hardly sleeping for worrying about it (well that and toddler sleep regression) 😪
 
Anyone ever played Plague Inc game? It's not the virus that gets most of the countries, but the riots and damage to the economy.

I can't see how people will be able to afford to isolate over and over again. We're in the group that isn't eligible for any help, yet have to pay everything ourselves to keep roof over our heads. I see why someone would not isolate if told to (I don't agree with it, but I see why). The financial help isn't there for those who need it.

What you're describing is like from different world. We're still working as "normal" and schools will get the odd pupil off sick. So far, just one class had to isolate as other cases were from kids already in isolation.

Stay safe everyone!
 
Hath said:
Anyone ever played Plague Inc game? It's not the virus that gets most of the countries, but the riots and damage to the economy.

I can't see how people will be able to afford to isolate over and over again. We're in the group that isn't eligible for any help, yet have to pay everything ourselves to keep roof over our heads. I see why someone would not isolate if told to (I don't agree with it, but I see why). The financial help isn't there for those who need it.

What you're describing is like from different world. We're still working as "normal" and schools will get the odd pupil off sick. So far, just one class had to isolate as other cases were from kids already in isolation.

Stay safe everyone!
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We used to play plague Inc! Yes it is madness, we get tax credits not sure if that qualifies us for help or not but it's definitely a nightmare when we have to isolate 😳 that said I'd sooner another 2 week lockdown to calm things down! Xx
 
Emx93 said:
We used to play plague Inc! Yes it is madness, we get tax credits not sure if that qualifies us for help or not but it's definitely a nightmare when we have to isolate 😳 that said I'd sooner another 2 week lockdown to calm things down! Xx
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It might, check it. They announced new payments for low income families only, tho.
Sounds like some places are ready for a lockdown. It's worrying!
 
Yes I just wish here they'd admit what's going on and make it official... if a baby gets sent home from their daycare nursery to self isolate because another baby or their parents tested positive then at least one of the parents has to stay home too, with no financial help... then the next week one of the kids gets a normal seasonal cough so is excluded from school until the whole family gets tested and gets negative tests results- turnaround time around 6 days... then a few days later older child 3 finds out his teacher tested positive, gets told to self isolate for 10 days... how can parents go to work with that going on? That's the Liverpool normal right now :(
 
Watching the briefing now and it doesn't sound good. The numbers are going up fast!
I just hope they won't cancel hospital appointments again. I've been waiting for surgery for over a year and can't imagine how I'll cope if it gets pushed back again!
 
Emx93 said:
I think a nation wide circuit breaker would be a good idea, hospitals are pretty full in South Yorkshire apparently 🤦‍♀️ we're tier 2 though still not tier 3 yet think there's only Manchester that's that bad?
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Doncaster (& Bassetlaw) are filling fast sadly. They have over 100 patients in & sadly we've had a run of deaths too. They update their FB page at 6pm with an update.

I'd be all for a circuit breaker. If done properly though as currently too many people just don't care about breaking rules & do what they want. Its these people who need to take some responsibility.
 
Sar said:
Doncaster (& Bassetlaw) are filling fast sadly. They have over 100 patients in & sadly we've had a run of deaths too. They update their FB page at 6pm with an update.

I'd be all for a circuit breaker. If done properly though as currently too many people just don't care about breaking rules & do what they want. Its these people who need to take some responsibility.
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I see their updates daily 😪 apparently rotherham has 2 covid wards on the go and they're supposed to not have any as we're supposed to go to Sheffield if we need admission 😪
 
We have all isolated every time as it's always been our child with symptoms, twice in the space of about a month, total nightmare 😳 xx
 
Emx93 said:
I think a nation wide circuit breaker would be a good idea, hospitals are pretty full in South Yorkshire apparently 🤦‍♀️ we're tier 2 though still not tier 3 yet think there's only Manchester that's that bad?
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I don’t know what the answer is but I don’t think a National lockdown is it. Locally cases are low, there are a handful of cases in the local hospital. Why should my hairdresser or personal trainer friends see their businesses pushed to the edge because of figures 3 hours up the motorway?
 
They'd closed the Nightingale ward in Belfast, but apparently it's reopening. As for me I have the good fortune to live in Greater Manchester - not. Whether any of us here like it or not our 3 blocks of flats are one big support bubble, we don't really have a choice but for some reason it manages to peeve the Powers That Be. We have people with major mental health issues, one lady is pregnant, there's a few people basically doing shop runs for each other depending on who is able to actually drag themselves out the door on a daily basis. THEN we get grief for going outside to pick up a takeaway order near the door. First it's the only way some people are going to get anything to eat, and second - we don't have a back door. We have to go outside to put rubbish bags in the bins or are we supposed to avoid doing that too? It's not our fault if someone keeps putting the wrong rubbish in the recycling bins so they don't get emptied either, and then we can't put a cupboard full of cardboard in full bins can we now?

It's all well and good til you realise some people are barely surviving as it is - mentally, physically, monetarily. And the "extra support" for those people is pitiful to say the least. Covid won't be the only thing killing people regularly soon.
 
Tigermoth said:
I don’t know what the answer is but I don’t think a National lockdown is it. Locally cases are low, there are a handful of cases in the local hospital. Why should my hairdresser or personal trainer friends see their businesses pushed to the edge because of figures 3 hours up the motorway?
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This is true, perhaps tier 2 and 3 to lock down for 2 weeks
 
Yes I'm sure many parts of the country are fine but giving us tier-3 here in Liverpool is like, why bother, so we can get a hair cut and go to restaurants and go to school and uni can we, except we cant because we're all stuck in a perpetual cycle of self isolation and covid tests, chat with anyone here on zoom and its like if someone in the house isnt self isolating or waiting for a test result that's so unusual we joke about them being unfashionable going out on their own and tell them they're missing out on the trending pyjama-sofa-fear-tequila-banana bread action! Why not just call it what it is here, we need a lockdown, I cant speak for the rest of the country but here in the northwest its daft to pretend its not a backdoor lockdown because there arent enough people who arent self isolating to support any kind of local economy unless its mail order plus size sweatpants and chocolate, even masks arent needed much because no can go out more than about 3 or 4 days a month before they're isolating again! I do feel for the local businesses and I'm annoyed the council sports centres are shut but if 30-50% of the population is always self isolating and living day to day just waiting for the next isolation alert then the local businesses cant be doing much trade... and staying open with no trade isnt much help is it, they only get financial help if they are closed...
 
Don’t get me wrong, the loop of self isolating is a huge problem here where there are low numbers. Lots of waiting for (negative) tests. Although there are two positive cases in my son’s year at school.
 
*hugs* I think we need a lockdown too and we're only tier 2, I'm hoping half term acts as a mini circuit breaker, we only go work, school and vets anyway and I'm not planning any vet trips till callies vacs in November 😳 so take school out of the equation and we only have work to worry about for covid exposure 😳 unless we get delayed onset of symptoms it would be our luck 🙄😳
 
I'm stilll convinced it was the return to schools -(where social distancing isn't possible) that's caused this spike 😳
 
PigglePuggle said:
Yes I'm sure many parts of the country are fine but giving us tier-3 here in Liverpool is like, why bother, so we can get a hair cut and go to restaurants and go to school and uni can we, except we cant because we're all stuck in a perpetual cycle of self isolation and covid tests, chat with anyone here on zoom and its like if someone in the house isnt self isolating or waiting for a test result that's so unusual we joke about them being unfashionable going out on their own and tell them they're missing out on the trending pyjama-sofa-fear-tequila-banana bread action! Why not just call it what it is here, we need a lockdown, I cant speak for the rest of the country but here in the northwest its daft to pretend its not a backdoor lockdown because there arent enough people who arent self isolating to support any kind of local economy unless its mail order plus size sweatpants and chocolate, even masks arent needed much because no can go out more than about 3 or 4 days a month before they're isolating again! I do feel for the local businesses and I'm annoyed the council sports centres are shut but if 30-50% of the population is always self isolating and living day to day just waiting for the next isolation alert then the local businesses cant be doing much trade... and staying open with no trade isnt much help is it, they only get financial help if they are closed...
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My hubby's parents live in Liverpool. MIL always complains about people not wearing masks and social distancing in shops, even though shops are supposed to be adhering to it. One shop worker even told off someone when mum complaint that person just stood next to them in the queue like nothing is going on, not wearing a mask. She said she only started seeing people wear masks again when the Tier 3 lockdown started. She also thinks this Tier 3 lockdown is needed. Although she would like for gyms to be open coz she goes regularly and their gym has a really good set up and only someone with booked appointments can go in. She's so annoyed though at people who don't follow the rules and the ones that caused this all again, especially when there was the anti-lockdown protest a few days ago. Seeing those photos is just unbelievable.
 
I think the self isolating is causing a much bigger economic impact that the covid cases here, especially with the new app... I mean, here about 1 person in 160 has the virus. They ride a busy train, 15 people get told to self isolate. They go to school, 30 kids and a teacher have to self isolate, their parents and brothers and sisters and after school babysitter also have to self isolate. They go to a couple of shops, maybe 10 customers and 2 or 3 shop assistants have to self isolate. If they are at uni attending classes for a science degree, then maybe 40 students taking the same classes, 3 academic staff, 3 technical staff, a covid marshall shepherding their class, and 20 people on the same floor of their accomodation block have to self isolate... 1 covid case can mean 20 to 100 people in self isolation! Self isolating is just normal for school kids and uni students and teachers and lecturers here right now, if you have to take the bus or train to school or uni it just amplifies... I dont think anyone could take a busy rush hour train here twice a day for a week right now and not get pinged to self isolate, it just isnt statistically possible...
 
Emx93 said:
I haven't turned the app on yet, if it pings do you have to isolate then?
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I woke up to find it telling me to self isolate with a very annoying and precise countdown timer, telling me when my phone supposedly had close contact with someone else's phone who presumably subsequently got covid symptoms then a test within a day or two of being close. Looking at the timing it was the 7.45am train and I do have a suspect in mind, the cyclist who stood in the aisle right by my seat holding her bike... and was wearing a mask but pulled it down to have a good old cough and a drink of water before pulling it back up! She stood too close to my seat the whole journey, its only a 16 minute journey but at 1 metre distance (with a cough) thats enough isnt it, because she ignored the covid safe seating plan to stand with her bike, that would do it wouldnt it... so daft to wear the mask then take it off for a good cough! Though I did sneeze in my mask while teaching and it wasnt very pleasant... but I didnt take it off or touch it until I had retreated to the toilets with a fresh one and plenty of hand sanitiser, that's rather the point of them isnt it?!
 
PigglePuggle said:
I woke up to find it telling me to self isolate with a very annoying and precise countdown timer, telling me when my phone supposedly had close contact with someone else's phone who presumably subsequently got covid symptoms then a test within a day or two of being close. Looking at the timing it was the 7.45am train and I do have a suspect in mind, the cyclist who stood in the aisle right by my seat holding her bike... and was wearing a mask but pulled it down to have a good old cough and a drink of water before pulling it back up! She stood too close to my seat the whole journey, its only a 16 minute journey but at 1 metre distance (with a cough) thats enough isnt it, because she ignored the covid safe seating plan to stand with her bike, that would do it wouldnt it... so daft to wear the mask then take it off for a good cough! Though I did sneeze in my mask while teaching and it wasnt very pleasant... but I didnt take it off or touch it until I had retreated to the toilets with a fresh one and plenty of hand sanitiser, that's rather the point of them isnt it?!
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Oh my goodness I really don't understand some people's so obvious disregard for other humans! I do hope your OK and stay healthy 💖 sending hugs
 
Emx93 said:
Oh my goodness I really don't understand some people's so obvious disregard for other humans! I do hope your OK and stay healthy 💖 sending hugs
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Its all fine with me don't worry, just the new normal here especially for the schools and unis, it actually gives me a lot of credibility with the students that I live near the city centre and take public transport and run the same risks as they do, rather than some lecturers who are teaching remotely from anywhere that isnt Liverpool! I dont think we should still be teaching face to face right in the city centre at all but we are so I will go down with the sinking ship as it were and risk catching covid along with all those brave young people who pay my mortgage and the piggies' hay and vet bills :)
 
PigglePuggle said:
Its all fine with me don't worry, just the new normal here especially for the schools and unis, it actually gives me a lot of credibility with the students that I live near the city centre and take public transport and run the same risks as they do, rather than some lecturers who are teaching remotely from anywhere that isnt Liverpool! I dont think we should still be teaching face to face right in the city centre at all but we are so I will go down with the sinking ship as it were and risk catching covid along with all those brave young people who pay my mortgage and the piggies' hay and vet bills :)
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I certainly think teachers, lecturers etc deserve more credit in this pandemic nightmare. The government literally threw them into the fire and they've stood by the kids 💖 lexie and lillies headteacher was shielded yet is also willing to go down with the ship 💖
 
PigglePuggle said:
I woke up to find it telling me to self isolate with a very annoying and precise countdown timer, telling me when my phone supposedly had close contact with someone else's phone who presumably subsequently got covid symptoms then a test within a day or two of being close. Looking at the timing it was the 7.45am train and I do have a suspect in mind, the cyclist who stood in the aisle right by my seat holding her bike... and was wearing a mask but pulled it down to have a good old cough and a drink of water before pulling it back up! She stood too close to my seat the whole journey, its only a 16 minute journey but at 1 metre distance (with a cough) thats enough isnt it, because she ignored the covid safe seating plan to stand with her bike, that would do it wouldnt it... so daft to wear the mask then take it off for a good cough! Though I did sneeze in my mask while teaching and it wasnt very pleasant... but I didnt take it off or touch it until I had retreated to the toilets with a fresh one and plenty of hand sanitiser, that's rather the point of them isnt it?!
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We had an encounter like that when we were flying back to UK from USA last March, when it all started. Hubby and I prepared for it when we went to America (masks, antibacterial wipes and hand gels). I was sitting next to a Taiwanese girl wearing a mask. The 3 people behind us was just coughing most of the time of the flight and was telling stories that they came from a cruise ship and going back because of the virus. Hubby and I can't believe they were all acting like it won't affect everyone else.
 
PigglePuggle said:
Its all fine with me don't worry, just the new normal here especially for the schools and unis, it actually gives me a lot of credibility with the students that I live near the city centre and take public transport and run the same risks as they do, rather than some lecturers who are teaching remotely from anywhere that isnt Liverpool! I dont think we should still be teaching face to face right in the city centre at all but we are so I will go down with the sinking ship as it were and risk catching covid along with all those brave young people who pay my mortgage and the piggies' hay and vet bills :)
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I just keep thinking about what my daughter who is a keyworker for learning disabled people who cant do masks or social distancing and has worked throughout lockdown keeps saying: "if we all survive this then in 10 or 20 or 30 years our kids and grandkids will look back on this and ask us all what we did during the pandemic... I want to tell them I did a thing"
As well as staying home baking banana bread and drinking tequila in our pyjamas with a sigh of relief when our phones tell us to of course :)
 
Sam messaged me earlier to say his dad's in self isolation, not sure whether if due to symptoms or track and trace, he's a tradesman so in and out of people's houses, I hope he's OK though he has heart problems 😱
Your daughter is amazing @PigglePuggle
I wish I could say I did a thing, my thing has been trying to keep my family safe by locking us up at home but I think my kids may actually hate me for the fact that I've turned every play date and party down and they've only seen their family and friends from 6feet 🤦‍♀️😳
 
We were at a major shopping centre two weekends ago. On our way out, a lady pulled her mask down and coughed...not even into her elbow...then put the mask back on. WHAT IS THE POINT?! 🙄 And then there are those who wear it but leave the nose outside.
 
Emx93 said:
I certainly think teachers, lecturers etc deserve more credit in this pandemic nightmare. The government literally threw them into the fire and they've stood by the kids 💖 lexie and lillies headteacher was shielded yet is also willing to go down with the ship 💖
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I agree! Not because I’m training but because they seem to be the overlooked ones.
 
PigglePuggle said:
Its all fine with me don't worry, just the new normal here especially for the schools and unis, it actually gives me a lot of credibility with the students that I live near the city centre and take public transport and run the same risks as they do, rather than some lecturers who are teaching remotely from anywhere that isnt Liverpool! I dont think we should still be teaching face to face right in the city centre at all but we are so I will go down with the sinking ship as it were and risk catching covid along with all those brave young people who pay my mortgage and the piggies' hay and vet bills :)
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I think I should also say just so I've said it that I really dont think the majority of students are being reckless or causing the covid spike, they are mostly bloody terrified and being super careful but got lured back here with false promises and predictable consequences by various people wanting to populate profitable sub standard rental property you wouldnt put a hamster in with naive young people wanting an education! I am so fed up of some of my colleagues trying to create an "us and them" scenario, the only difference for the most part is 20 or 30 years of life experience and a massive difference in income... its not fun being 18-24 years old right now and I dont think they are being young or living in overcrowded student halls on purpose just to spite the old folks!
 
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