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Specialist Cocoa Poorly Lip And Congested. Pls Help. Photos

11 00am Thu I've rung the vets for the 3rd time and bingo they going to ring me back. I'm gettin little miffed now.
 
Well well. I've had a long talk to the vet who took the swab. She says can't see any bacterial content. which is I guess a suprise to me and some you guys.
She then suggested could be ringworm which has floored me but she admits she guessing which does not fill me with confidence. I said AND PLS FRIENDS correct me if I'm wrong that ringworm irate and makes piggies scratch. Which Cocoa is not at all she's very normal. I've been asked to check my other piggies for any sign of ringworm. How ?
She also suggest I could take a photo and send it to them as not to stress piggie out. :doh:.
Vet has spoken to another vet and they suggesting try. F.10. which I've never heard off again guys pls if any of you have let me know. they will let me know when they get some as don't have any there at the moment.
During the talk it coming to my attention that they are guessin and basically :hb:
I'm at a loss what to do for the best here. Cocoa has a poorly lip not their before but it is After 3 vet visits and cream. metacam baytril we here guessing.
I know no magic wand is around but hell.
I shall talk to Kath check the others for ringworm and one avenue is visit another vet pratice and get a 4th opinion.
 
Oh David - poor you and poor Cocoa.

I thought you suggested fungal at the last visit, and that is what they swabbed for.
Fungal and bacterial are totally different, and the tests for them are also different.
Ringworm is fungal, and will show up (mostly) if they took a swab and checked for general fungal infections.
Ringworm will not show up if they took a swab and checked it for bacterial conditions.
I would make sure the swab they took was tested for fungal, so you can rule it out properly.
Or at least have them clarify exactly what they tested for.

The whole thing sounds like a nightmare and I hope you get it sorted soon.
 
Oh David what a time you, Kath and Cocoa are having! I can't add anything but just wanted to say I am thinking of you all and sending :hug::hug::hug:to you all!
 
And here is the link ot the ringworm info David.
F10 is a disinfectant and is mentioned in the guide.
There are also lots of good pics of ringworm piggies.
Ringworm: Hygiene And Pictures

But even if it is ringworm (which should have already been tested for because you did suggest it to the vet) it doesn't mean any of your other piggies will have it.

I think Wiebke recently had a ringworm piggy, and managed to keep it contained to just the one pig in a room of 30.
 
I'm more confused now. I think we need a piggie savo vet. X. The sample she took off her lip. . was very small and i couldn't see it.
 
I would take her to another vet (even if this vet foudn the answer you don't trust them anymore and that as far as I am concerned with vets is a game over). As the antibiotics haven't worked it could very well be fungal (I am not sure ringworm itches that much although I would suspect that it would smart with anything acidic). I am not sure what you woudl do with F10 - I have only used it to nebulise one pig and clean the cage.
 
Katiedid said:
I would take her to another vet (even if this vet foudn the answer you don't trust them anymore and that as far as I am concerned with vets is a game over). As the antibiotics haven't worked it could very well be fungal (I am not sure ringworm itches that much although I would suspect that it would smart with anything acidic). I am not sure what you woudl do with F10 - I have only used it to nebulise one pig and clean the cage.
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There are 2 sorts of F10 - one for disinfecting cages/toys and the other one can be used in a nebuliser I believe. Tagging @VickiA to be sure.
 
I've booked Cocoa in to another vets local for Wed 6 20.
It's Town and Country.They small shut Easter but if cocoa gets any worse than she's back to vet.
 
The F10 I have was used for both - I was given the undilited version so I dilute to the correct concentration depending on whether I nebulise or disinfect.
 
Sending you hugs David, it's horrible when our piggys have something wrong and we don't know what it is. Cocoa is eating well, not losing weight and is happy. You and Kath are doing all you can and you will get this lip sorted, you've just had a set back. Stay strong I've got my fingers crossed for you all to have more positive news on Wednesday. :hug:
 
How far are you willing to travel? I know it's a long way, but I would recommend Kim Maddock at Cat and Rabbit Clinic in Northampton. She's absolutely first rate at diagnosis and both her and Simon discuss cases and you would get the opinion of both, by going to see her. You would come away with a diagnosis and a treatment plan.

www.catandrabbit.co.uk
 
it's frustrating as I can't talk to Kath whilst she's at work as she works with children and a phone is a no.
yes I will travel not a problem. I going to have a good look at Cocoa tonight and weekend. She's now booked into another vet wed and i know that have a specialist who in their group and works Darwin so that's a option also.
I'm still seeing what my normal vet are up to and will follow what they said this morning.
Many thanks for the information and yes if this time next week I'm still as confused and Cocoa is ok we will concider the Northampton trip. Many many thanks xx
 
furryfriends (TEAS) said:
How far are you willing to travel? I know it's a long way, but I would recommend Kim Maddock at Cat and Rabbit Clinic in Northampton. She's absolutely first rate at diagnosis and both her and Simon discuss cases and you would get the opinion of both, by going to see her. You would come away with a diagnosis and a treatment plan.

www.catandrabbit.co.uk
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ment to reply to this pls see message 198
 
Hi David, so sorry to read how you’ve been messed around. My vets (Cheshire Pet in Holmes Chapel) have a specialist exotics Vet Kristina who treats all my piggies and some of the rescue ones, too. It is a bit of a drive for you, but nearer than Northampton. It may be worth taking her there instead of another general vets next week.
 
Janey said:
There are 2 sorts of F10 - one for disinfecting cages/toys and the other one can be used in a nebuliser I believe. Tagging @VickiA to be sure.
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F10 is a brand. They do a disinfectant (green) , an antiseptic (pink) and an ointment. Not sure what they have recommended or why.
@David Pet Lover and @Hoppity.K
It would be worth trying to get to a recommended vet to try to get to the bottom of what is going on, and ask for her notes to be released to the new vets so they can see what the differential diagnosis has been and what treatments have been tried. If you try the vet link Guinea Pig Vet Locator it should give you your nearest recommended vet. Otherwise I can recommend my own vets but it’s a bit of a drive for you.
 
It sounds like they are clutching at straws David :( I feel so sorry for Cocoa, So happy though that you are seeing an alternative vet. I would be fuming with your current vets with all that wasted time you have spent there. Definitely put a complaint in x
 
Wow David, I definitely agree at having her looks at by another vet. Doesn't sound like the one she has is doing everything she should be. Sending you huge hugs, if you need any help with anything let me know. Hopefully this second vet will be able to help. If not, I'd definitely agree with seeing Simon and the cat and rabbit clinic xx
 
David Pet Lover said:
Thank you very much. I wish my baby to get better. I'm teary. x
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I understand how you feel, keep your chin up though, you are doing the best you can and can't do anymore. If you aren't satisfied with your current vets, then I'd also agree with others that have suggested trying a different piggy vet. Sending hugs xx
 
*kate* said:
I'm probably totally wrong, and I'm sorry if I am and am speaking rubbish, but could it be Cheilitis?

Some of the Google images look very crusty but others look more just swollen?

Again, sorry if I'm speaking out of turn.
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Hi Kate,
Any ideas are good so please don’t think you’re speaking out of turn.
Have you experience of cheilitis... what is it?
Her lip looks bit swollen, scabby & some scabs have bled a bit. So we see dried blood.
But she’s eating well & seems to be living with it.
She’s one of 3 & the other two look absolutely fine. x
 
Hello all. We had Cocoa out this morning and Kath gave her a good check to see if find anything on her fur or skin. Nothing her lip is no worse it's at times not noticable as she carrys on life with Heidi and Chloe. As I text now photo15223998152621796314883.webpas you can see the old carrot house is their.
Weird we had both a new carrot house and the old one side by side for two weeeeeeks and not once did I see any of them in the new one nor any evidence :love: of a piggie going in.
We away couple days this weekend and we have a lovely lady who comes and looks after them.
I can tell you it's hard to leave them but I'm a big softy.
Cocoa is ok but I'm not going to leave her poorly lip. Earlier day ito see another vet is wed and it be good to get a new angle on this.
My over all thoughts about our regular vet is cos they not cured her doesn't mean that they are bad . . . . But with comments and couple visits I've come away thinking that was a waste of bloody time. I'm not bothered about the cost (price of love is what piggie banks are for)
Cocoa been messed about and i letting her rest with Dr Heidi checking her as she does now and then. Never have I seen any aggression by any of the three only objections of unwanted humping now and then.
All three are eatin well and keeping same weight approx 1100.
Nature this next 4/5 days has a chance to work on her no meds as chest is ok. as she shows no signs of pain or discomfort. But any slight sign of them of course we will take action. All three of them now addressing sleep as breakfast is done.
On a personal note Kath and I are touched by the welcome support from you guys and we say a massive thanks.
If the beautiful Cocoa lip is any worse or the new vets are baffled.
They have a exotic vet at Darwin so thats good to know.
then a trip to one of the special vets as mentioned will be done. . . :luv:
 
I really hope the new vets can help! I am still thinking it is a fungal infection. She has the best slaves and friends so you will get to the bottom of it! :hug::hug:
 
Hoppity.K said:
Hi Kate,
Any ideas are good so please don’t think you’re speaking out of turn.
Have you experience of cheilitis... what is it?
Her lip looks bit swollen, scabby & some scabs have bled a bit. So we see dried blood.
But she’s eating well & seems to be living with it.
She’s one of 3 & the other two look absolutely fine. x
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I Googled sore lip in Guinea Pig! I've no experience of it myself but there was a good link from Guinea Lynx:-

Guinea Lynx :: Cheilitis
 
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