Engel's Herd

I’d had my girls for a few months when I found they had lice. They definitely didn’t have them before. Hope you can get them the treatment!
 
I’d had my girls for a few months when I found they had lice. They definitely didn’t have them before. Hope you can get them the treatment!
What would they normally be treated with? Or not treated with? I'm pretty sure my vet is savvy but that's if she is there. Just so I know really.

Phoned the vets and they're going to phone back as vets double checking if the medication is safe for the babies considering how young they are.
 
Xeno spot on. As far as I remember there are different strengths but I don’t know if the babies would be okay having it. Do they all have lice or just the babies?
 
Xeno spot on. As far as I remember there are different strengths but I don’t know if the babies would be okay having it. Do they all have lice or just the babies?
All of them. Not insanely infested but definitely there :(

Ok will update when they ring back
 
Ugh. They've phoned back. They've worked out the dosage and they don't have enough for all of them! They've asked me to bring them all in.

Is there anything else they can be treated with? They said Xeno was ok for the babies and they have enough for them.

Is there anything else they can use for the older pigs? Asking before I go there just to make sure really.
 
Update.

Managed to get Xeno for them. Using the higher dose one (they emptied it into a syringe and gave correct drops per pig). They have to go back in 3 weeks time for a second dose and check. They had a full health check where they were there, everyone is otherwise healthy. The staff enjoyed having cuddles with them. ☺️
 
Hi all. Hope you have had a good Christmas.

In between all the wind rain and snow I measured the area where I intend to put the pig shed. Now I've run into an issue...the biggest shed I can get is a 6x4 as my brothers wheelchair won't be able to go around it if it's any bigger. It is important that he can access all areas of the garden. Also, the shed can't go anywhere else :(

This means the biggest hutch I can get is a 5ft double one. Boars on top, sows on bottom. Now as this is only 10sqft of space which isn't ideal especially for the boars I was thinking of adding c&c to the front of it for them to go out into which will give them more space. In the warmer months this will be accessable 24/7 but not sure during the cold as idk how cold it'll be.

Would 2 boars be ok in a 5ft hutch over night? The shed will be insulated not heated.
(I know this depends on the bond and compatibility, but generally speaking).
 
Hi all. Hope you have had a good Christmas.

In between all the wind rain and snow I measured the area where I intend to put the pig shed. Now I've run into an issue...the biggest shed I can get is a 6x4 as my brothers wheelchair won't be able to go around it if it's any bigger. It is important that he can access all areas of the garden. Also, the shed can't go anywhere else :(

This means the biggest hutch I can get is a 5ft double one. Boars on top, sows on bottom. Now as this is only 10sqft of space which isn't ideal especially for the boars I was thinking of adding c&c to the front of it for them to go out into which will give them more space. In the warmer months this will be accessable 24/7 but not sure during the cold as idk how cold it'll be.

Would 2 boars be ok in a 5ft hutch over night? The shed will be insulated not heated.
(I know this depends on the bond and compatibility, but generally speaking).

so adding a c&c to the front is absolutely fine, it’s what I have, but how are you doing it with a double hutch with sows and boars? They obviously can’t both have access to it at the same time. You couldn’t put the boars in a downstairs c&c during the day if they can then see the girls in their hutch . Or are you planning on it being a double storey c&c as well (Which could be a logistical nightmare)

a 5ft might be ok (it’s the minimum for boars) but it might not be. Unfortunately it’s not going to be possible to answer definitively. As teens 5ft did not work for my two.
 
Hi all. Hope you have had a good Christmas.

In between all the wind rain and snow I measured the area where I intend to put the pig shed. Now I've run into an issue...the biggest shed I can get is a 6x4 as my brothers wheelchair won't be able to go around it if it's any bigger. It is important that he can access all areas of the garden. Also, the shed can't go anywhere else :(

This means the biggest hutch I can get is a 5ft double one. Boars on top, sows on bottom. Now as this is only 10sqft of space which isn't ideal especially for the boars I was thinking of adding c&c to the front of it for them to go out into which will give them more space. In the warmer months this will be accessable 24/7 but not sure during the cold as idk how cold it'll be.

Would 2 boars be ok in a 5ft hutch over night? The shed will be insulated not heated.
(I know this depends on the bond and compatibility, but generally speaking).
I think they will be fine overnight as long as you take them out during the day so they can stretch their legs and bring more excitement.

I think the c&c will be a great idea when it is warm enough. Is your shed on the grass? If so you could put your c&c by the door so they can have free flow to grass when it is warmer.
 
so adding a c&c to the front is absolutely fine, it’s what I have, but how are you doing it with a double hutch with sows and boars? They obviously can’t both have access to it at the same time. You couldn’t put the boars in a downstairs c&c during the day if they can then see the girls in their hutch . Or are you planning on it being a double storey c&c as well (Which could be a logistical nightmare)

a 5ft might be ok (it’s the minimum for boars) but it might not be. Unfortunately it’s not going to be possible to answer definitively. As teens 5ft did not work for my two.
Well this is how I've got their c&c at the moment. I was thinking of having this Infront of the hutch.received_759617528301582.webp
 
I think they will be fine overnight as long as you take them out during the day so they can stretch their legs and bring more excitement.

I think the c&c will be a great idea when it is warm enough. Is your shed on the grass? If so you could put your c&c by the door so they can have free flow to grass when it is warmer.
No it's not. I have dogs so going on the grass will be a bad idea so I'm going to have a large pen on the patio with fleece down and grow some grass specifically for them.
 
Well this is how I've got their c&c at the moment. I was thinking of having this Infront of the hutch.View attachment 162118

so double height so they can both come out into the extended front portion at the same time?

the only (potentially minor depending on how it works) issue I can see with that is you are likely to need to make adjustments to the top one due to the height of the top level of the hutch being unlikely to match the height of the top C&c.

also, getting access to the hutch doors - you’d be leaning through the c&c to try to reach to shut them in/let them out. Unless you pull the c&c out each day.

Just thinking out loud really But I do like the idea! It’s something I’d try to work out for my two, if I was to get another boar pair - how I could extend each hutch to basically make it an L shape using c&c, but I just couldn’t make it work due to the height difference and access being much harder
 
so double height so they can both come out into the extended front portion at the same time?

the only (potentially minor depending on how it works) issue I can see with that is you are likely to need to make adjustments to the top one due to the height of the top level of the hutch being unlikely to match the height of the top C&c.

also, getting access to the hutch doors - you’d be leaning through the c&c to try to reach to shut them in/let them out. Unless you pull the c&c out each day.

Just thinking out loud really But I do like the idea! It’s something I’d try to work out for my two, if I was to get another boar pair - how I could extend each hutch to basically make it an L shape using c&c, but I just couldn’t make it work due to the height difference and access being much harder

having thought about this again, I'm not sure this will work.

if you got a 6x4 shed. The hufch is 5ft x 2ft a c&c Is 5ft x 2ft so most of your floor space is going to be taken up not leaving you much space to move and access at all. You’d run out of space before even being able to move the c&c out to get to the hutch doors
 
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so double height so they can both come out into the extended front portion at the same time?

the only (potentially minor depending on how it works) issue I can see with that is you are likely to need to make adjustments to the top one due to the height of the top level of the hutch being unlikely to match the height of the top C&c.

also, getting access to the hutch doors - you’d be leaning through the c&c to try to reach to shut them in/let them out. Unless you pull the c&c out each day.

Just thinking out loud really But I do like the idea! It’s something I’d try to work out for my two, if I was to get another boar pair - how I could extend each hutch to basically make it an L shape using c&c, but I just couldn’t make it work due to the height difference and access being much harder
Yes. I know I'll have to adjust it to fit the hutch height but honestly that's easy to do really.

Their current c&c cages are 12sqft. The hutch would be 10sqft roughly. I understand it's a bit less as it's smaller internally. But even if I just did a 1x5 c&c for example out the front that's still 12+sqft.

I will admit I find it difficult to visualise things so I won't know for sure until the shed it here, insulated and hutch added but you get the idea. :)
 
Yes. I know I'll have to adjust it to fit the hutch height but honestly that's easy to do really.

Their current c&c cages are 12sqft. The hutch would be 10sqft roughly. I understand it's a bit less as it's smaller internally. But even if I just did a 1x5 c&c for example out the front that's still 12+sqft.

I will admit I find it difficult to visualise things so I won't know for sure until the shed it here, insulated and hutch added but you get the idea. :)

how wide are your hufch doors?

in a one grid wide c&c the hutch doors might not even open properly
 
how wide are your hufch doors?

in a one grid wide c&c the hutch doors might not even open properly
Haven't got the hutch yet just throwing ideas about really. Not sure but it'd be nice to have the chartwell 5 foot. The one which has 2 seperate floors, not the standard 5ft double. Other option would be the bluebell.

Well I'll need to see how warm the shed will stay. If it stays nice and toasty then I may consider just taking the door(s) off.

If not maybe adjust the door so it hangs a bit like a cat flap and find a way of keeping it open? I don't know 😅🥺
 
Haven't got the hutch yet just throwing ideas about really. Not sure but it'd be nice to have the chartwell 5 foot. The one which has 2 seperate floors, not the standard 5ft double. Other option would be the bluebell.

Well I'll need to see how warm the shed will stay. If it stays nice and toasty then I may consider just taking the door(s) off.

If not maybe adjust the door so it hangs a bit like a cat flap and find a way of keeping it open? I don't know 😅🥺

I sit and think things through all the time! When I get my new shed, will it work if I do it like this....etc.

i can say that to open the doors (swinging open normally) on the bluebell with a c&c surround, the c&c will need to be two grids deep as the door is about 2 feet wide. I think the chartwell is going to be the same.
If it is only ever going to be in the shed then the bluebell is fine, but if you will ever want it to be outside then I’d go for the chartwell. My bluebell has been moved outside now for the bun (as I think I may have said, he lives in one level (bunnies don’t do ramps as well as piggies) and we have blocked the hole up) and it’s not fairing particularly well (even with the hutch covers) only been out for a couple of months and I think it’ll need to be replaced before next winter.

an insulated but unheated shed will trap residual daytime warmth but only if there is the daytime warmth to trap. You’ll have to see how it goes.
 
It will be great if you can manage to attach a c&c cage on both floors of the hutch. The only thing I would take note is how you can make the 2nd floor c&c sturdy so it won't collapse or wobbly just in case.

Regarding the door, I have an attached c&c at the bottom of my hutch and the bottom door is always open. I tied it to the c&c with a simple wire twist ties so it's easy to remove when I clean the cage. You can see the bottom door from my photo below.

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Hi oreo and chunk! @Engel it looks like you are taking great care of them. You have very lucky boys!
Hi. A lot has happened/changed since I first posted. I wouldn't expect anyone to read through 20+ pages so I'll summarise all that's happened for you. :)

I got 2 'boys' a few months ago named Oreo and Chunk. They were 9 weeks old and very skittish. Poor condition really compared to now. After a few days of settling in I checked the gender as I had doubts. Turned out I had been given a boar and a pregnant sow.

Fast forward a few weeks and much advice later, out popped 2 big babies. One girl and one boy. I'm keeping both. They're all doing well now and have such shiny and soft coats. I've seperated the baby boy so he's now living with my other boar.

Now names
Oreo (the mum) is now called Eileithyia-Eris
Chunk (potential dad) is now called Jupiter
Baby girl is called Dysnomia
Baby boy is called Apollo

:)
 
It will be great if you can manage to attach a c&c cage on both floors of the hutch. The only thing I would take note is how you can make the 2nd floor c&c sturdy so it won't collapse or wobbly just in case.

Regarding the door, I have an attached c&c at the bottom of my hutch and the bottom door is always open. I tied it to the c&c with a simple wire twist ties so it's easy to remove when I clean the cage. You can see the bottom door from my photo below.

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The 2nd floor as it is, is very strong. Ive used a lot of zip ties to be sure lol. So will do the same thing when it's in the shed

That's a possibility but idk how warm the shed will stay. In the summer they'll have the door open all the time but not sure when winter comes.
 
I sit and think things through all the time! When I get my new shed, will it work if I do it like this....etc.

i can say that to open the doors (swinging open normally) on the bluebell with a c&c surround, the c&c will need to be two grids deep as the door is about 2 feet wide. I think the chartwell is going to be the same.
If it is only ever going to be in the shed then the bluebell is fine, but if you will ever want it to be outside then I’d go for the chartwell. My bluebell has been moved outside now for the bun (as I think I may have said, he lives in one level (bunnies don’t do ramps as well as piggies) and we have blocked the hole up) and it’s not fairing particularly well (even with the hutch covers) only been out for a couple of months and I think it’ll need to be replaced before next winter.

an insulated but unheated shed will trap residual daytime warmth but only if there is the daytime warmth to trap. You’ll have to see how it goes.
Yes it'll only be in the shed.
Oh ok. I'll have to have a think how I'm going to do it.

Now that does suprise me! I always thought rabbits could do ramps better then pigs as they're more agile.

Well it's been 3°C for the past few days. I have a thermometer so I'll put it in the normal shed to see what temp difference we're looking at. Admittedly it's not insulated
 
Hi. A lot has happened/changed since I first posted. I wouldn't expect anyone to read through 20+ pages so I'll summarise all that's happened for you. :)

I got 2 'boys' a few months ago named Oreo and Chunk. They were 9 weeks old and very skittish. Poor condition really compared to now. After a few days of settling in I checked the gender as I had doubts. Turned out I had been given a boar and a pregnant sow.

Fast forward a few weeks and much advice later, out popped 2 big babies. One girl and one boy. I'm keeping both. They're all doing well now and have such shiny and soft coats. I've seperated the baby boy so he's now living with my other boar.

Now names
Oreo (the mum) is now called Eileithyia-Eris
Chunk (potential dad) is now called Jupiter
Baby girl is called Dysnomia
Baby boy is called Apollo

:)
Wow seems like you've had an interesting time! At least it means that you have more piggies!
 
Wow seems like you've had an interesting time! At least it means that you have more piggies!
Yeh and I'm a new guinea pig owner so I've had to learn very fast.

While yea it means more pigs, I will add that it isn't advisable to breed pigs as there's so many things that can go wrong. Also the fact that there's so many pigs in rescues.
 
@Piggies&buns my uninsulated windowless shed stays a whopping 3°C warmer than outside.

My pig shed will have windows so idk if that will help but looks like I'll have a lot of work to do.

What is the coldest temperature piggies can cope with?
 
@Piggies&buns my uninsulated windowless shed stays a whopping 3°C warmer than outside.

My pig shed will have windows so idk if that will help but looks like I'll have a lot of work to do.

What is the coldest temperature piggies can cope with?

they are most comfortable at 18-20
below 15 strictly speaking is too cold.
I don’t allow mine to go below 12 degrees in the hutch (if it does, they’ll come indoors).

The hutch is warmer than the shed first thing in the mornings (due to hutch covers being down, snugglesafes in and the fact I pull down the hutch covers in the warmest part of the previous afternoon so warmth is trapped in the hutch overnight much more easily as it’s a smaller space) but the shed is still warm enough ( if the shed was getting very low they would move indoors for the rest of winter - too low in the shed makes keeping the hutch harder - this hasnt happened yet though and they’ve remained safe and warm in the shed (I find keeping cool in summer a lot harder than keeping warm in winter)) if it is too cold in the shed, then I simply keep the hutch covers on and keep piggies in the hutch and not let them have shed access first thing in the morning. Once it warms up (as ive said, my shed is south facing and warms very quickly even on a winters day) then the covers get lifted and they come out to play.
 
Yeh and I'm a new guinea pig owner so I've had to learn very fast.

While yea it means more pigs, I will add that it isn't advisable to breed pigs as there's so many things that can go wrong. Also the fact that there's so many pigs in rescues.
I know I'm not planning on breeding them or getting any more piggies at the moment!
 
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