COVID-19 Coronavirus

I think the government is burying its head and seem non concerned about the seriousness of the situation,even medical professionals have been on the news saying the government aren't doing enough, and that schools should be closed, the UK seem to be the only ones not closing schools.
I have taken my son out for now...wrong? Maybe ?maybe not...we will see soon.
And they say the reason schools closing won't help because kids will just go out and socialise with their friends anyway is nonsense...there is a big difference between groups of kids socialising and kids being in school with 1000 others touching desks,handles,chairs etc coughing,sneezing etc so to me them being in school is more of a risk than them not being in school.

The issue with closing schools early is that this is going to be with us for months a long time not just weeks. To close now will mean that when we really need to shut things down to slow the spread, people will start having cabin fever. In the vast majority of the UK people are bumbling along, still eating out, going to pubs, football... closing the schools now wouldn't solve anything yet. But it is a measure expected in the forthcoming weeks and places are taking preparations to remote teach etc...
 
The US is a mess. Trump gave a speech the other day reassuring the citizens that he is talking to insurance companies for test kits, financial support for small businesses, and etc.

In Michigan, all major universities have cancelled classes and some grade schools are also cancelled. Sporting events, social gatherings, and all large group gatherings have all been cancelled.
Hubby and I can't believe how much misinformation Trump and his government are saying about coronavirus. 🙄 Also, I feel really sorry for the Americans who can't afford the healthcare. At least here in the UK, we have the NHS and we don't have the extra worry of paying before and after getting treatments.
 
As it was mentioned in the UK Prime Minister's press conference, school and other closures may come at some point over the coming weeks or months when the outbreak really gets going in order to break the peak.

Right now, school closures are not the most effective instrument as the spread will pick up again as soon as they are reopened when you do this too early in the process for too short a time - you can't keep them closed for months!
Punctual closures make sense where there is a developing hot spot, widespread measures only if specific areas or whole countries are very badly hit at any time in order to slow down and help break the peak (like what has happened in Wuhan, South Korea and is now happening in Italy) in order to keep the health services and the economy functioning as best as possible during the very worst of it.

Like with a severe piggy illness, you have to constantly assess and reassess which measures will help most and are appropriate at any stage. The same is happening with each country on a larger scale. Like with a piggy illness, there is not necessarily one single medication or measure that does the trick; it is a combination of medical and non-medical support measures that can be adapted and used for best efficiency as and when needed.
Some will try to step in sooner, some will play it down for too long and jump in with a big splash and throw the kitchen sink at it, while others will rather try to ride the wave and break the peak of it now that stopping the pandemic from spreading has been proven futile. This is unchartered territory.

Only analysis from hindsight will show which countries have got it more right and have come through it best so that these lessons can be then fed into future preparation and management of other bugs. We live in an overcrowded and highly connected world where the number of contacts to animals have multiplied, so this has always been a question of 'when' (or increasingly 'how soon') and never one of 'if'.

The best you can do is not to panic, take more than is your own due in order to selfishly just protect yourself and your closest family (unless you have somebody in a high risk category) at the cost of other more vulnerable people, check anything you are unsure of from social media against the information in the links mentioned (it is a good idea to bookmark them), stick to reliable news services if possible and concentrate on helping those around you as much as possible in the coming months instead of panicking.

The more we can help each other as a society and neighbourhood to help protect the weak, the better we come through it and the easier we will recover from this experience. The one good thing is that most children are actually not at risk of having Covid-19 any worse than a normal cold. ;)

PS: I feel very sorry for the people in the USA with having to battle a combination of inadequate health service access and an incompetent president. I do worry a lot.
 
I would like to add that I am really worried, but at the same time. We as
Hubby and I can't believe how much misinformation Trump and his government are saying about coronavirus. 🙄 Also, I feel really sorry for the Americans who can't afford the healthcare. At least here in the UK, we have the NHS and we don't have the extra worry of paying before and after getting treatments.

Dislike Trump... a woeful excuse for a politician

yeah, this concerns me how it affects people in the US and other parts of the world.
 
I can't even use hand sanitiser, wish I could but my hands will fall to bits, they are very painful right now, feels like I'm putting my hands in an ants nest when I use it
 
I would like to add that I am really worried, but at the same time. We as


Dislike Trump... a woeful excuse for a politician

yeah, this concerns me how it affects people in the US and other parts of the world.
He has no clue with a lot of things really. Can't believe how too many people would believe what he says when whatever he says are most of the time factually wrong and very misleading. 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

We are lucky we have universal healthcare (Canada, Australia and other European countries as well) and don't have to choose whether to get treatments or be on debt for life. The cost of healthcare in the US is astounding! :td:
 
He has no clue with a lot of things really. Can't believe how too many people would believe what he says when whatever he says are most of the time factually wrong and very misleading. 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

We are lucky we have universal healthcare (Canada, Australia and other European countries as well) and don't have to choose whether to get treatments or be on debt for life. The cost of healthcare in the US is astounding! :td:
Is it me or does trump just seem like a little boy who doesn't really know what hes doing, I've not really payed too much attention to him.
 
He has no clue with a lot of things really. Can't believe how too many people would believe what he says when whatever he says are most of the time factually wrong and very misleading. 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

We are lucky we have universal healthcare (Canada, Australia and other European countries as well) and don't have to choose whether to get treatments or be on debt for life. The cost of healthcare in the US is astounding! :td:

Trump‘s current speeches have improved tremendously from how they used to be though.

I am an American citizen so whether I like it or not, I have to support the President no matter what.
I just feel it is my duty to support the leader of my country.
 
Trump‘s current speeches have improved tremendously from how they used to be though.

I am an American citizen so whether I like it or not, I have to support the President no matter what.
I just feel it is my duty to support the leader of my country.
Atleast he isn't George Bush
 
Trump‘s current speeches have improved tremendously from how they used to be though.

I am an American citizen so whether I like it or not, I have to support the President no matter what.
I just feel it is my duty to support the leader of my country.
The US seem to be very patriotic it is a nice thing in a way. I just like my politicians to be politicians not celebs. I like experts in their field. Experts are good, they know stuff.
 
Guys we will continue to have this thread but we need to temper the mis-info and conspiracy theories - we are not The Daily Mail :))

You know what - I am scared, you are scared, we are all scared...

BUT

Conspiracy theories and rumors are not the way to go here on this thread. There is enough misinformation out there to not let me sleep for a week without TGPF going crazy.

Governments don't know the best way to deal with this, this is unique and each country will try a different way to others. It doesn't mean that any country is wrong or right, the disease is new and never been encountered before, the only history will tell us the best way of delaying and treating this sadly.

We need to stick to the medical facts, be guided by the 'Experts' THE WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) - events as they happen

Public Health England Coronavirus (COVID-19): guidance for health professionals and other organisations

CDC Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

So yes, let's chat about it. But try and keep the scaremongering and conspiracy theories to the absolute minimum. We are all here to support each other and the forum will be a place of solace for us all in the difficult times ahead

Keep Safe

Lee
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Couldn't have put it better myself Lee.

Let's remember this thread was started as a query about whether measures should be taken to protect guinea pigs. It is not here to speculate, to spread misinformation, to share conspiracy theories, to contribute to hysteria over something people are already worried about.

We all have our own theories about what we would do differently but as we aren't the experts nor are we consulting them we aren't the best people to decide here. We just have to do what we believe is right for ourselves and our families at this point and trust the experts advising the government that they are going to do the right thing. As Wiebke points out though, unless they consult fortune tellers it's all guesswork and hindsight can only say whether it was the right decision or not.
 
We will start a few threads over the weeks a roll call for members who are self isolating to check in and try a few fun threads also to cheers us up and lighten the mood...

Let's try and keep our spirits up, we can get through this together, look out for those around you. We are all scared but stronger together.
 
Sorry guys, it's me who started the conspiracy crap, I'm not actually into conspiracy theories, but I ended up in a conversation with a worker at the Premier inn I was staying at last night, and you know when someone tells you stuff very convincingly, and starts handing you a pack of face marks from the stock cupboard, then goes on about biological warfare, it's sort of temporarily changed my look on things, I didn't aim to spread fear. I have to admit, I'm scared and I don't normally get like this.

So hands up, it sme who's turned this thread into a debate. I'm struggling with working away on my own, I don't have anyone close to talk to
 
I can't even use hand sanitiser, wish I could but my hands will fall to bits, they are very painful right now, feels like I'm putting my hands in an ants nest when I use it

I wouldn't worry about sanitiser; it can give you a false sense of security. Normal thorough hand washing with normal soap is as effective. Wear disposible gloves and a scarf around your mouth/nose (change daily) when travelling on public transport and try not to touch your eyes. The scarf is there to keep yourself from touching mouth and nose with your gloves if that is helping you.

I also have a strong reaction to overuse of sanitiser, so I use it only very sparingly and only if absolutely needed (especially as there is not much of it around). Regular handwashing is doing the trick of removing virus particles from your hands just as effectively. Just make sure that you clean any things you touch regularly like your phone, keyboard, taps, toilet button, light switches and door handles more often; especially when you are in a higher at risk category.
 
I voted on a primary election day last Tuesday. This is for choosing your presidential candidate in your own political party and to eliminate candidates who don't get enough votes. The real election for president is in November of this year.

I can’t say who I voted for though.
 
I wouldn't worry about sanitiser; it can give you a false sense of security. Normal thorough hand washing with normal soap is as effective. Wear disposible gloves and a scarf around your mouth/nose (change daily) when travelling on public transport and try not to touch your eyes. The scarf is there to keep yourself from touching mouth and nose with your gloves if that is helping you.

I also have a strong reaction to overuse of sanitiser, so I use it only very sparingly and only if absolutely needed (especially as there is not much of it around). Regular handwashing is doing the trick of removing virus particles just as effectively.
Do you think a bar of soap is ok if things run out?

Luckily I never use public transport, I'm keeping things I touch in the work van cleaner than usual, also I'm using anti bac wipes on my whole phone plus phone cover everyday now, takes less than a minute to wipe down.
 
Do you think a bar of soap is ok if things run out?

There are two ways to remove virus particles from any surface - chemically or mechanically. A bar of soap will still do the mechanical job if you wash your hands as recommended. Neither method is absolutely fail safe, but then nothing is!
 
There are two ways to remove virus particles from any surface - chemically or mechanically. A bar of soap will still do the mechanical job if you wash your hands as recommended.
That's good yea I really do scrub and get in every nook and cranny of my hands
 
And get some soothing rehydrating hand cream for afterwards. ;)
Yea I have okeiths working hands cream, the absolute best. Its very expensive though. I use it before I go to sleep, but than after a days work my hands are dry and bleeding again. The only way I ever get my hands back to normal is when I have a week off work, or when it's summer time. As soon as winter comes, I know I'm on for a painful time
 
Yea I have okeiths working hands cream, the absolute best. Its very expensive though

Try to get off the 'it only has to be the very best' and into your 'whatever does the trick is fine' mentality that helps you getting through a crisis. :tu:

My parents and grandparents had to survive a world war with blanket bombing, sudden flight, mass rapes and tuberculosis rife refugee camps with hardly anything to eat. Believe me that is putting things rather into perspective!
 
Try to get off the 'it only has to be the very best' and into your 'whatever does the trick is fine' mentality that helps you getting through a crisis. :tu:

My parents and grandparents had to survive a world war with blanket bombing, sudden flight, mass rapes and tuberculosis rife refugee camps with hardly anything to eat. Believe me that is putting things rather into perspective!
No no, I use that okeiths cream anway for years, it is the best I have tried for my hands out of many many creams
 
No no, I use that okeiths cream anway for years, it is the best I have tried for my hands out of many many creams

I ended up sticking with Bulldog's original moisturiser. Is it a hand cream? No. Does it work like one? Hell yes. They do a sensitive one if the other one is scented too strong for you - just a thought if you're struggling to find something and/or run out of your usual stuff.
 
Yea I have okeiths working hands cream, the absolute best. Its very expensive though. I use it before I go to sleep, but than after a days work my hands are dry and bleeding again. The only way I ever get my hands back to normal is when I have a week off work, or when it's summer time. As soon as winter comes, I know I'm on for a painful time

You might need to moisturise more often. I'm struggling with dry, itchy knuckles at the moment. Think it was verging on dermatitis. Baby is sucking all my hydration plus all the extra trips to the loo so additional handwashing is taking its toll. Maybe save your expensive one for night time and get a cheaper one to use a couple of times through the day. Never underestimate proper hydration too. I used to keep a reusable drinking bottle at work, if it's sat in front of me I remember to drink more often
 
You might need to moisturise more often. I'm struggling with dry, itchy knuckles at the moment. Think it was verging on dermatitis. Baby is sucking all my hydration plus all the extra trips to the loo so additional handwashing is taking its toll. Maybe save your expensive one for night time and get a cheaper one to use a couple of times through the day. Never underestimate proper hydration too. I used to keep a reusable drinking bottle at work, if it's sat in front of me I remember to drink more often
Thanks for the idea, I'm very bad with hydrating at the moment. I'm going tesco later so il have a look at some big bottles of cream. That one called something 40? Forgot the name
 
Possibly e45 like Lorcan says. That's good for skin conditions so should be gentle as well. Palmer's cocoa butter ones are good too. Being a woman I have many family members (mostly on hubbies side) who seem to think that I love to receive gifts of soaps and creams all the time. Christmas is like stockpiling and I hardly ever have to buy shower gel, exfoliants or creams. In fact I give some away and I still have a scrub from Christmas 2018 which is unopened. However it does mean I currently have 5 bars of soap ready for using if we run out of handwash and can't buy anymore
 
The US seem to be very patriotic it is a nice thing in a way. I just like my politicians to be politicians not celebs. I like experts in their field. Experts are good, they know stuff.
In his most recent speech, he said his most important job is to protect the US citizens. Despite wearing his toupee, I am glad he said that.
 
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