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Advice On Dental Issues?

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Beans&Toast said:
I've just picked Toast up. She's had 72mls of syringe feed since being at this vets from 10am.

I've been given Cisapride, Infacol, Fiberplex and Loxicom to give her.

I'm quite concerned that she's not eating any hay still..? She's picking at it and taking nibbles but not wanting to eat it. Same with veg... or is that to be expected right now?

She's back in with Beans but she's went right to her hay box and lay down.

And @Adelle , I know! I'm an emotional wreck the past couple months with them
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It could be the technique they have been using.

It might be worth watching some syringe feeding videos it took me some time to get Ok at it. I remember the first time and a few times after that weren't very successful.
 
I wrap her in a towel/blanket if I'm on my own and hold her on the table but she still manages to wriggle out or she'll wriggle right back into the towel.

I've my Mum is helping me, she'll hold Toast and I'll give the syringe but even still she throws her head around and cries and it's just horrific I feel like I'm stressing her out so much.

On the plus side, when I took her out there to give her syringe feed, she ended up eating around 5 whole nuggets herself instead so that's good :)
 
Okay I don't understand why Toast isn't getting better.

She is up and down throughout the day. Around 5 am she was taking nuggets from my hand, now we're back to having to be syringe fed. Sometimes she takes a bit of pepper, right now she just looks, sniffs it and turns her head.

She's also being very picky with hay. Last night she was eating it but today she's picking at strands and then leaving it..

What's going on..
 
Could it be her pain relief has worn off? does she have it twice a day?

Has your vet ruled out a dental abscess that can't be seen yet?
 
Possibly? She had 0.2 mls Loxicom at 10am..

Both Glenn and another vet have had a look at her teeth and felt around her jaw and can't feel/see anything. I suppose there could be one brewing that hasn't shown up yet..

I'm really getting concerned that it's all too much for her, I'd hate to think she's miserable. She's just so sluggish right now. Or is it still normal to be like this, it is only 1 day after her guts began to shut down..
 
I know they can be really difficult to spot at first, Simon is able to spot them as he deals with them almost daily but not all vets would deal with them as often so may not see the early signs that Simon does. With Tim who had an abscess behind his eye there was nothing visible on an xray. I am not saying your girl has an abscess behind her eye just that if she does have a tooth root or jaw abscess it may not be obvious yet.

Would your vet agree to a precautionary course of Zithromax? Also could the pain relief be increased slightly?
 
He's just taken her off Septrin as she was eating fine until she was put on the antibiotic (for cystitis) and as she's not eating properly I don't think he'd want to use anymore just yet..

If it was an abscess, wouldn't she'd be struggling to eat all the time, as opposed to up and down?

Well she was on 0.8mls not long ago so I could up it to that again. Could the Loxicom be causing her stomach upset or is that unlikely?
 
Possibly yes but it would depend on whether the pain relief has kicked in maybe. Has oral thrush been ruled out?

It is difficult to say whether it was the Loxicom, I think it can affect some pigs, see what Glenn thinks.
 
She's just started eating hay and took some pepper.. There's no consistency whatsoever I don't get it.

Glenn doesn't think it would be the Loxicom, I just thought it was a possibility as she's been on between 0.4 and 0.8 mls for a few weeks now and she's been off for that time too
 
It may be better to have her loxicom given subcutaneously for a few days so its bypassing the stomach.. This is what i had to do with fudge x
 
Thankfully she really seems to have perked up, she has been eating some pellets (still topping up with syringe feed) and munching some hay. There's even been quite a lot of poos :yahoo:I can't believe I'm excited about poos but after 24 hours of hardly anything it's a relief.

Not getting head of myself though, wouldn't be the first time she's been doing well only to go downhill..
 
Beans&Toast said:
Thankfully she really seems to have perked up, she has been eating some pellets (still topping up with syringe feed) and munching some hay. There's even been quite a lot of poos :yahoo:I can't believe I'm excited about poos but after 24 hours of hardly anything it's a relief.

Not getting head of myself though, wouldn't be the first time she's been doing well only to go downhill..
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I know that feeling! Fudge is doing good today.. But I'm trying not to get too excited either!

Pour a drink.. Thats what i had to do lol
 
Yay this is awesome news, so glad to hear she's feeling better!

Mmmm... I'd just keep refilling the glass you'll soon get through the bottle ;).
 
I knew it was too good to be true!

Despite the fact that Toast is eating again, she's still losing weight. She was 1185g last Monday for her dental, then a few days later she was 1080g when she was ill then back up slighlty to 1114g yesterday and now she's 1080g today again even though she's had more nuggets than normal, 2 handfuls of veg and munching on hay...

What the hell is going on :no:
 
Beans&Toast said:
I knew it was too good to be true!

Despite the fact that Toast is eating again, she's still losing weight. She was 1185g last Monday for her dental, then a few days later she was 1080g when she was ill then back up slighlty to 1114g yesterday and now she's 1080g today again even though she's had more nuggets than normal, 2 handfuls of veg and munching on hay...

What the hell is going on :no:
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It really is minimal and not worth worrying about. It sounds a lot because it is in grams. As long as she is eating, then smile and have a glass of wine! xx
 
Her weight is slowly gaining but she's chewing weird again so I've to take her in on Wednesday to check her teeth.

She took 5 days to recover from that dental last Monday and went off her hay. Then she stopped eating for a day due to gut stasis so I think her teeth have over grown again in that time.

I could actually cry, it's a vicious cycle. She needs her teeth done, doesn't respond well to the anesthetic so goes off her food then needs her teeth done again because she's went off her food..
 
I've asked him about this before and he said he wouldn't do that with Toast. It takes 2 people just to hold her while he has a look in her mouth, she throws her body around and tries to bite
 
It's not that they can't restrain her it's that with 2 strangers holding her down it's so stressful for her she'd have a heart attack. She's extremely nervous with anyone but myself if they even try to hold her, never mind in an environment with strange noises and smells and people holding her down. I've asked 2 very good, highly respected vets in my area (and 30 miles away) and both have said they wouldn't attempt it on Toast. Is there anything that can be used to "chill" them out without sedation, so they'd sit still?
 
They need to firmly wrap and then the piggy feels secure and doesn't thrash around. Simon Maddock does conscious dentals every day of the week and has never had a problem. The only time he's needed to use GA is when the teeth have been so overgrown that he can't safely get a file in.
 
What's to stop them twitching or flinching? Would this not be dangerous with such a nervous animal? If it was at all possible to do safely I'd much prefer that, she doesn't react well to anesthetic, but I've been told he wouldn't attempt it on her. My vet has performed conscious dental work before but said he wouldn't as Toast is so fidgety and anxious. I've to take her in Tuesday or Wednesday so he can have a look and we can talk about options so I will bring it up again and see what he says
 
As well as being wrapped and held firmly by a nurse, they are stood on a table and not tipped backwards as I've seen done by rodentologists. Simon then holds their head firmly with one hand whilst using other hand to file. It doesn't take long
 
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