JackJack1
Junior Guinea Pig
Is there an update on Dottie and Beanie's progress? I have been thinking about them and hoping they are improving. Keeping fingers crossed for their recovery. Just hope they have settled in to their new home OK.
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Piggly
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Agreed! 
I appreciate your interest and concern everyone - however it will take a good two weeks before any positive progress can be reported (once the second round of injections due on thursday starts to take effect).
Sarcoptic mange is a very distressing condition that gets worse (once you start killing the mites off) before it gets better.
Rest assured I, my vets, the other H & I forum advisers and an experienced Rescue are pooling all our combined knowledge and resources behind the scenes and doing everything we possibly can to get them through this critical period until they start to feel better.
Please be patient and send Dotty and Beanie healing vibes.
Sarcoptic mange is a very distressing condition that gets worse (once you start killing the mites off) before it gets better.
Rest assured I, my vets, the other H & I forum advisers and an experienced Rescue are pooling all our combined knowledge and resources behind the scenes and doing everything we possibly can to get them through this critical period until they start to feel better.
Please be patient and send Dotty and Beanie healing vibes.
Piggly
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Hang in there Dotty and Beanie. They couldn't be in better hands right now! X
JackJack1
Junior Guinea Pig
Thank you Pebbles for the update.
Sending lots of best wishes and lots of healing vibes to Dottie and Beanie for a steady recovery back to full health.
Sending lots of best wishes and lots of healing vibes to Dottie and Beanie for a steady recovery back to full health.
Flutterby
Anniversary Herd
Thankyou for the update Pebble. I know that you and everyone behind the scenes are doing all you can for these two little ones. They are in the best hands. Sending healing vibes their way x
worried val of york
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I hope all goes well for Dottie and Beanie. Sending you both the biggest healing vibes possible.
Chopsticus
Junior Guinea Pig
Are they happy? Are you enjoying each other's company?
They are yours now but I forgot a few very important things.
I may have forgotten to tell you they have not learned to drink from bottles. I just gave them cumcumber every day.
Do you let them eat fresh grass? They like grass more than anything else half the time.
They are yours now but I forgot a few very important things.
I may have forgotten to tell you they have not learned to drink from bottles. I just gave them cumcumber every day.
Do you let them eat fresh grass? They like grass more than anything else half the time.
For those of you with any experience of sarcoptic mange - you will be aware of just how painful and uncomfortable it can be for a piggie especially when they start to self-mutilate. It also creates the right conditions for a secondary fungal and this is what we believe both girls also have.
Dotty and Beanie are currently having to live separately because Beanie cannot tolerate Dotty snuggling up to her. Both are on septrin and maximum tramadol pain relief.
Dotty has learned to drink from a water bottle. She had a bath with insecticidal and antifungal treatments two days after her first doramectin/steroid injection, and went back to the vet yesterday for her second injection which will be followed by another bath this weekend. She is still scratching and opening up new wounds but these are minor in comparison to poor little Beanie. The mite life cycle is anything from 2-14 days so we have at least another week before we know all the eggs have hatched and the mites have all been killed by the doramectin
This is Dotty today
Beanie has been a very poorly little piggie but thankfully, with all the help of the H & I team, a Rescue and my wonderful vets, we have come up with a means to stop her self-mutilating and for her wounds to start healing. Bathing has been out of the question so instead, when changing the dressing each day, she has been sprayed with warm F10 solution (antifungal, antibacterial). I am very pleased with her progress.
Although she is now almost completely hairless, we are hoping that, once she is free of the mites and fungal, it will start to regrow. Her next injection is due monday because she had a second one last sunday. She is drinking from a water bowl but because of the movement restrictions of her jacket we are not putting a water bottle in for her yet.Without her jacket, she will still scratch and open up new wounds so, (much to her frustration and annoyance), she will have to wear it for another couple of weeks
Here is Beanie after her dressing was changed this evening. Her blue jacket is being washed so she is currently sporting her new purple one.
Dotty and Beanie are currently having to live separately because Beanie cannot tolerate Dotty snuggling up to her. Both are on septrin and maximum tramadol pain relief.
Dotty has learned to drink from a water bottle. She had a bath with insecticidal and antifungal treatments two days after her first doramectin/steroid injection, and went back to the vet yesterday for her second injection which will be followed by another bath this weekend. She is still scratching and opening up new wounds but these are minor in comparison to poor little Beanie. The mite life cycle is anything from 2-14 days so we have at least another week before we know all the eggs have hatched and the mites have all been killed by the doramectin
This is Dotty today
Beanie has been a very poorly little piggie but thankfully, with all the help of the H & I team, a Rescue and my wonderful vets, we have come up with a means to stop her self-mutilating and for her wounds to start healing. Bathing has been out of the question so instead, when changing the dressing each day, she has been sprayed with warm F10 solution (antifungal, antibacterial). I am very pleased with her progress.
Although she is now almost completely hairless, we are hoping that, once she is free of the mites and fungal, it will start to regrow. Her next injection is due monday because she had a second one last sunday. She is drinking from a water bowl but because of the movement restrictions of her jacket we are not putting a water bottle in for her yet.Without her jacket, she will still scratch and open up new wounds so, (much to her frustration and annoyance), she will have to wear it for another couple of weeks
Here is Beanie after her dressing was changed this evening. Her blue jacket is being washed so she is currently sporting her new purple one.
jenny57
Teenage Guinea Pig
@Pebble, I had to let you know how much I admire what you have done for these two poor piggies, I know other people have been involved too, but it was you who cut through everything and most importantly got down to helping these animals. Beanie's jacket is such a clever idea and also looks very smart. Thank you again, I say " three cheers for pebble".
JackJack1
Junior Guinea Pig
I know they look shocking now, but with all the care that you are giving, they have the best chance of recovery now. It is such a horrible and uncomfortable condition for them.
They are in good hands and everyone is willing them on to full recovery.
They are in good hands and everyone is willing them on to full recovery.
Piggly
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Poor piggies, what a state. Glad they're still with us, hoping they can keep going and improving.
Poppy'sMum
Senior Guinea Pig
Poor little things! The OP has done the right thing in giving these 2 up, a brave & sensible decision as it will be hard even for a very experienced owner like Pebble to deal with all their issues. I know she will do her absolute utmost to save them both though. @Pebble are you having to fund the vet bills yourself? Or are they at a rescue now? I'd like to send a donation towards the cost of the vet bills, as I have actually had 3 weeks of not having to go to the vets myself so I have a little spare money this month for a change Let me know if it's possible xx
Let me know if it's possible xx
JackJack1
Junior Guinea Pig
Maybe we could set up a vet fund for them both and anyone can then contribute that want to or could do, no matter how small.? Any extra could then go to the rescue?
JackJack1
Junior Guinea Pig
So if a few of us like the idea of a Beanie and Dotty fund to help them on the road to recovery as vet fees are so expensive, then if Pebble wants to do this, perhaps she could let us know what to do - maybe a Paypal payment to a Beanie and Dotty account? However, of course it is left up to Pebble on this one.
I know everyone thinks Pebble has done an amazing job in helping these 2 poorly guinea pigs to give them the best chance, then we could show what the forum is about and those that can and want to, support them with help towards costs of this expensive treatment, with anything left over for the rescue that is also helping out.
I know everyone thinks Pebble has done an amazing job in helping these 2 poorly guinea pigs to give them the best chance, then we could show what the forum is about and those that can and want to, support them with help towards costs of this expensive treatment, with anything left over for the rescue that is also helping out.
Chopsticus
Junior Guinea Pig
I will pay for this round of treatment, assuming I can afford to - The treatment is clearly both very extensive and intensive. I gave them up because I had no means of going to the vet and no way to provide a safe and good home for them, and now I know also no chance of providing treatment for their recovery; but not for financial reasons.
It didn't take long to learn the trauma of Sarcopic mite. Piggiesdon't exactly get their head dirty or have trouble cleaning it. So if the face starts rotting for no reason, I shouldn't have needed to be told things have gone very wrong. Piggysus died with the deepest cut on his face - and a big drop of blood came out of a nostril apparently after death - bob knows how much damage was going in there unseen.
It didn't take long to learn the trauma of Sarcopic mite. Piggiesdon't exactly get their head dirty or have trouble cleaning it. So if the face starts rotting for no reason, I shouldn't have needed to be told things have gone very wrong. Piggysus died with the deepest cut on his face - and a big drop of blood came out of a nostril apparently after death - bob knows how much damage was going in there unseen.
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Thank you everyone for your offers to contribute to a treatment fund for these girls .., especially Chopsticus.
I have to admit that these offers were completely unexpected and I am rather overwhelmed at the thoughtfulness and concern of everyone on here and how to manage this. Thank you again
Yes - a fund would be good.
It should benefit all the collaborative partners involved in this situation - more on that later.
Chops - I would prefer if you donate what you feel able to to the fund once set-up
I will give the matter some thought and come back to you with a formal proposal tomorrow.
Both girls are still moving in the right direction today - we are taking every day at a time
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I have to admit that these offers were completely unexpected and I am rather overwhelmed at the thoughtfulness and concern of everyone on here and how to manage this. Thank you again
Yes - a fund would be good.
It should benefit all the collaborative partners involved in this situation - more on that later.
Chops - I would prefer if you donate what you feel able to to the fund once set-up
I will give the matter some thought and come back to you with a formal proposal tomorrow.
Both girls are still moving in the right direction today - we are taking every day at a time
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As promised yesterday:
I have now set up a Paypal account for those kind people wishing to donate to the girls' treatment.:
[email protected]
Please ensure you tick the fact that it is a gift so fees are not charged.
Having given the matter considerable thought, the fund will be split between:
a) me - because I have personally paid all the vets fees to date. Currently these are running at >£150. I am not a Rescue - just a private individual who has helped pigs in need at my own expense over the years (be it fostering, adoption, piggy trains etc).
b) Glynneath Guinea pig Rescue - SuzyGPR pioneered the "jacket" treatment that Beanie has received (and that saved her life last sunday- without it she would have been PTS)
For more information on "Guido's jacket" please see her blogspot - if you scroll down the lifelong residents page to the "In Memorial" section you will find Guido's story
http://guinearescue.blogspot.co.uk/p/lifelong-residents.html
Her facebook page is here
https://www.facebook.com/groups/GlynneathGPR/
c) A donation to TGPF for running costs - without the Forum (both the public threads for Chopsticus and a behind the scenes thread for me with the H & I members ) the outcome may have been rather different for Dotty and Beanie.
I would also like to acknowledge that "in kind" donations towards vets bills have been made to the fund already as follows:
a) myself - I will, in any case, personally contribute a proportion of the vets bills - it is my way of "making things right" to my little guinea pig Misfit all those years ago who died from this awful disease - (@Chopsticus - I can really relate to how you feel atm)
b) My wonderful vets - Seers Croft - who treated the girls on both New Years Day and 48hrs later on the Sunday. They should have charged out-of-hours emergency fees both times but didn't. They also "forgot" to add on the cost of the GA on the sunday for Beanie so we could wash and dress her wounds and fit the Guido jacket that saved her life. (Ssssh - don;t let the Head of Practice know!) If this were one of my own pigs I would have been facing a £450 bill for all their treatment received instead of the current £150
.Moving forwards for these girls: There will be more vets fees to pay - tomorrow when Beanie gets another injection and >7days later for the final one for both girls. Also, I regret to say that Dottty will need to undertake a 4hr round trip to see Uncle Simon when she is stronger, as I think, (judging by the extremely awkward angle we have to adopt for syringe feeding), she may have an underlying dental issue.
I will obviously publish full; accounts once we have got the girls back to full health. If anyone has any questions in the interim, please PM me and I will be as transparent as I possibly can.
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I have now set up a Paypal account for those kind people wishing to donate to the girls' treatment.:
[email protected]
Please ensure you tick the fact that it is a gift so fees are not charged.
Having given the matter considerable thought, the fund will be split between:
a) me - because I have personally paid all the vets fees to date. Currently these are running at >£150. I am not a Rescue - just a private individual who has helped pigs in need at my own expense over the years (be it fostering, adoption, piggy trains etc).
b) Glynneath Guinea pig Rescue - SuzyGPR pioneered the "jacket" treatment that Beanie has received (and that saved her life last sunday- without it she would have been PTS)
For more information on "Guido's jacket" please see her blogspot - if you scroll down the lifelong residents page to the "In Memorial" section you will find Guido's story
http://guinearescue.blogspot.co.uk/p/lifelong-residents.html
Her facebook page is here
https://www.facebook.com/groups/GlynneathGPR/
c) A donation to TGPF for running costs - without the Forum (both the public threads for Chopsticus and a behind the scenes thread for me with the H & I members ) the outcome may have been rather different for Dotty and Beanie.
I would also like to acknowledge that "in kind" donations towards vets bills have been made to the fund already as follows:
a) myself - I will, in any case, personally contribute a proportion of the vets bills - it is my way of "making things right" to my little guinea pig Misfit all those years ago who died from this awful disease - (@Chopsticus - I can really relate to how you feel atm)
b) My wonderful vets - Seers Croft - who treated the girls on both New Years Day and 48hrs later on the Sunday. They should have charged out-of-hours emergency fees both times but didn't. They also "forgot" to add on the cost of the GA on the sunday for Beanie so we could wash and dress her wounds and fit the Guido jacket that saved her life. (Ssssh - don;t let the Head of Practice know!) If this were one of my own pigs I would have been facing a £450 bill for all their treatment received instead of the current £150
.Moving forwards for these girls: There will be more vets fees to pay - tomorrow when Beanie gets another injection and >7days later for the final one for both girls. Also, I regret to say that Dottty will need to undertake a 4hr round trip to see Uncle Simon when she is stronger, as I think, (judging by the extremely awkward angle we have to adopt for syringe feeding), she may have an underlying dental issue.
I will obviously publish full; accounts once we have got the girls back to full health. If anyone has any questions in the interim, please PM me and I will be as transparent as I possibly can.
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Today's update:
Dotty is progressing well....although I am still finding it very difficult to get her meds down her and syringe feed.
I am now pretty convinced she has a dental issue, which, whilst not needing immediate attention,is clearly going to need attention over the next 14 days. She will have her second bath tomorrow
Beanie: she hates the jacket and has lost a lot of her feistiness whilst she has been wearing it. She is becoming depressed (head down all the time) so we are now performing a balancing act betweeen her mental and physical wellbeing.
So last night and today we have allowed her 20mins supervised time without any dressings and jacket (and therefore no restrictions in her movements)
She has (mostly) used the opportunity to clean away a lot of the itchy scurf from her skin...
But when she thinks I am not looking, she tries to rake her current wounds with her claws and re-open them.
She's still going in the right direction..but we may now need to consider adopting SuzyGPR's "ferret pocket". solution....i.e. the piggie is releived of all dressings/jackets .but carried around in a ferret pocket under supervision to prevent more self-harming
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Dotty is progressing well....although I am still finding it very difficult to get her meds down her and syringe feed.
I am now pretty convinced she has a dental issue, which, whilst not needing immediate attention,is clearly going to need attention over the next 14 days. She will have her second bath tomorrow
Beanie: she hates the jacket and has lost a lot of her feistiness whilst she has been wearing it. She is becoming depressed (head down all the time) so we are now performing a balancing act betweeen her mental and physical wellbeing.
So last night and today we have allowed her 20mins supervised time without any dressings and jacket (and therefore no restrictions in her movements)
She has (mostly) used the opportunity to clean away a lot of the itchy scurf from her skin...
But when she thinks I am not looking, she tries to rake her current wounds with her claws and re-open them.
She's still going in the right direction..but we may now need to consider adopting SuzyGPR's "ferret pocket". solution....i.e. the piggie is releived of all dressings/jackets .but carried around in a ferret pocket under supervision to prevent more self-harming
x.
Piggly
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Oh bless her. She looks so sore right now. Pleased to hear these two are still fighting though! Hope to one day see photos of them with all hair grown back and looking healthy again!
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Oh god. That picture is quite distressing. Poor little piggle!
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JackJack1
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Hi
I have tried to send money through Paypal, but I cannot see where you tick a box to say it is a gift. It just says "No fee if you use your PayPal balance, bank account or debit card to send money to friends and family within the UK", so there is no box to tick. Am I missing something? I want to make sure I am not being charged a fee which is not going to the treatment.
I have tried to send money through Paypal, but I cannot see where you tick a box to say it is a gift. It just says "No fee if you use your PayPal balance, bank account or debit card to send money to friends and family within the UK", so there is no box to tick. Am I missing something? I want to make sure I am not being charged a fee which is not going to the treatment.
I do apologise @Davey-cavy
It was not my intention to cause distress to you or any other members on this Forum.
Rest assured that Beanie is in a much better place than she was 7 days ago despite what you may think from the current photo.
Sarcoptic manage is about the most shocking condition (both visually and auditory) a guinea pig can ever suffer if it is not properly diaganosed and treated by a cavy savvy vet. And it gets worse before it gets better.
Sadly there are all too many threads on here of people who have trusted their vets for a diagnosis (whatever the illness) and because the vets have little experience of guinea pigs, the poor pig suffers.
The fact is, Chopsticus consulted his local vet to no avail and (in desperation) found this forum and posted for help.
Help has been given (at no small emotional cost to himself by agreeing to surrender his pigglies) and it has (hopefully) saved the lives of these pigglies.
I have endeavoured to be to be very careful about the piccies I post in this situation because
a) I firmly belive there shouldn't be any condemnation of Chopsticus as,at all times, I believe he has acted in good faith for his guineas
b) I didn;t wish to distress members un-neceessarily resulting in (a) above
Rest assured - the photo of Beanie above shows just how much she is improving (but might only be recognised by those with experience of treating this condition)
Hope this helps address your concerns...if you have any questions then please PM me
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It was not my intention to cause distress to you or any other members on this Forum.
Rest assured that Beanie is in a much better place than she was 7 days ago despite what you may think from the current photo.
Sarcoptic manage is about the most shocking condition (both visually and auditory) a guinea pig can ever suffer if it is not properly diaganosed and treated by a cavy savvy vet. And it gets worse before it gets better.
Sadly there are all too many threads on here of people who have trusted their vets for a diagnosis (whatever the illness) and because the vets have little experience of guinea pigs, the poor pig suffers.
The fact is, Chopsticus consulted his local vet to no avail and (in desperation) found this forum and posted for help.
Help has been given (at no small emotional cost to himself by agreeing to surrender his pigglies) and it has (hopefully) saved the lives of these pigglies.
I have endeavoured to be to be very careful about the piccies I post in this situation because
a) I firmly belive there shouldn't be any condemnation of Chopsticus as,at all times, I believe he has acted in good faith for his guineas
b) I didn;t wish to distress members un-neceessarily resulting in (a) above
Rest assured - the photo of Beanie above shows just how much she is improving (but might only be recognised by those with experience of treating this condition)
Hope this helps address your concerns...if you have any questions then please PM me
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