Specialist Please, i need help! Sausage link poops

[AnaMT]

Please be aware that most of the probiotic brands are UK brand names. Do have access to bene-bac?
Unfortunately you can only make poo soup from the poos of healthy guinea pigs that are not on medication and that have a healthy digestion; especially not antibiotics. Do you have access to human probiotics from a pharmacy? We normally not recommend it but is likely the only digestive support product you can lay your hands on.

I have acces to human probiotics and dogs/Cats probiotics -->Here translate its components:
"Vitamin, protein and amino acid supplement for dogs and cats containing vitamin A and B complex vitamins, probiotics and prebiotics, indicated for all gastrointestinal disorders, diarrhea and constipation, change of diet by life stages, coprophagia, ulcers, etc.
*Formula:
Crude Protein 28%
Methionine 19,600 mg
Vitamin A 120,000 mg
Vitamin B1 3,500 mg
Vitamin B2 12,000 mg
Vitamin B6 600 mg
Vitamin B12 5,000 mg
Biotin 200 mg
Choline 300 mg
Ac. Folic 500 mg
L. Glutamine 1,500 mg
Saccharomyces Cerevisiae 1 x 10 ^ 11 CFU
Mannanoligosaccharides (MOS) 200,000 mg
Flavoring Additive 1,000 mg"

 

[Wiebke]

I have acces to human probiotics and dogs/Cats probiotics -->Here translate its components:
"Vitamin, protein and amino acid supplement for dogs and cats containing vitamin A and B complex vitamins, probiotics and prebiotics, indicated for all gastrointestinal disorders, diarrhea and constipation, change of diet by life stages, coprophagia, ulcers, etc.
*Formula:
Crude Protein 28%
Methionine 19,600 mg
Vitamin A 120,000 mg
Vitamin B1 3,500 mg
Vitamin B2 12,000 mg
Vitamin B6 600 mg
Vitamin B12 5,000 mg
Biotin 200 mg
Choline 300 mg
Ac. Folic 500 mg
L. Glutamine 1,500 mg
Saccharomyces Cerevisiae 1 x 10 ^ 11 CFU
Mannanoligosaccharides (MOS) 200,000 mg
Flavoring Additive 1,000 mg"

The vitamin amounts and the amount of protein etc. is of course slanted towards the species the powder is aimed at. But if that is the only thing you can get, then it is better than nothing; as long as it is for the short and not the long term.

 

[AnaMT]

The vitamin amounts and the amount of protein etc. is of course slanted towards the species the powder is aimed at. But if that is the only thing you can get, then it is better than nothing; as long as it is for the short and not the long term.

Hi! I found this food with probiotics. If I buy it now I can have it next week. it will be useful? Thank you very much for every answer. they are really helping us a lot.

 

[Wiebke]

Hi! I found this food with probiotics. If I buy it now I can have it next week. it will be useful? Thank you very much for every answer. they are really helping us a lot.

This sounds more of a recovery/feeding supplement than just a plain probiotic powder but it comes closest to the kind of recovery food that we recommend and that you haven't been able to find so far. Most recovery formulas contain some probiotics, too. I would recommend you to get it!

I don't know in which consistency it comes in (pellets or powder?) but you should be able to soften it with water if necessary and use as syringe feed if your boy has problems with soft poos and dimished or lost appetite; baytril can sometimes impact especially on an already tender digestion as it works not only on the bacteria in the respiratory tract but also the ones that are responsible for the the digestive process. It is also grass hay based, so good for your boy's digestion if he is not quite well.

 

[AnaMT]

Hi! I have started another thread to be able to change the title. My piggie is taking antibiotic (enrofloxacin) 0.08 ml twice a day. That seems little to me. He weighs 865 grams. I do not know the indications of the medicine because the vet gave me all the liquid in a syringe, and from there I have to dose it. For now his poops are fine. His breathing remains the same. I'm nebulizing him with physiological solution. I have bought nutritious pellets but it will only arrive at my house next week. I hope it's not late. Regarding probiotics, I have the Saccharomyces boulardii that is used in humans. Each capsule has 250 mg. Could I use it on my boy diluted in water in little dosis? 40 min before taking antibiotics maybe? Thanks

 

[Piggies&buns]

Hi! I have started another thread to be able to change the title. My piggie is taking antibiotic (enrofloxacin) 0.08 ml twice a day. That seems little to me. He weighs 865 grams. I do not know the indications of the medicine because the vet gave me all the liquid in a syringe, and from there I have to dose it. For now his poops are fine. His breathing remains the same. I'm nebulizing him with physiological solution. I have bought nutritious pellets but it will only arrive at my house next week. I hope it's not late. Regarding probiotics, I have the Saccharomyces boulardii that is used in humans. Each capsule has 250 mg. Could I use it on my boy diluted in water in little dosis? 40 min before taking antibiotics maybe? Thanks

dont worry about the title, it is more important that all the background information is on the same thread, therefore it has been merged with your original thread

 

[AnaMT]

oh! okay. That is logical. Thank you

 

[Piggylove82]

@Wiebke the recovery feed appears to be for birds, not small animals.
It contains flour, yeast, egg and honey if my google translation of the ingredients is correct?

It's also 4 months out of date

 

[Wiebke]

Hi! I have started another thread to be able to change the title. My piggie is taking antibiotic (enrofloxacin) 0.08 ml twice a day. That seems little to me. He weighs 865 grams. I do not know the indications of the medicine because the vet gave me all the liquid in a syringe, and from there I have to dose it. For now his poops are fine. His breathing remains the same. I'm nebulizing him with physiological solution. I have bought nutritious pellets but it will only arrive at my house next week. I hope it's not late. Regarding probiotics, I have the Saccharomyces boulardii that is used in humans. Each capsule has 250 mg. Could I use it on my boy diluted in water in little dosis? 40 min before taking antibiotics maybe? Thanks

Dosages for respiratory illnesses (unless you are dealing with pneumonia) tend to be generally lower than those for urinary tract but your vet has stuck very much to the lower. See whether it is making any difference or not in three days, as long as there is no deterioration.

Just give him a little, not the whole capsule of probiotics. Such a small dose of baytril should not really impact on the digestion.

 

[AnaMT]

Dosages for respiratory illnesses (unless you are dealing with pneumonia) tend to be generally lower than those for urinary tract but your vet has stuck very much to the lower. See whether it is making any difference or not in three days, as long as there is no deterioration.

Just give him a little, not the whole capsule of probiotics. Such a small dose of baytril should not really impact on the digestion.

ok, thanks, I'll wait with the probiotic. How can you know if it is pneumonia? The vet has heard him and says that his lungs are heard with liquid. He has no runny nose or sneeze. Now, while I mist it he sometimes sneezes. Between today or tomorrow they do him an ultrasound.

 

[AnaMT]

It's also 4 months out of date

Yes, it really makes me feel very helpless this whole situation. Seeing that led me to this forum, that was very positive. However, before your recommendations I gave my piggie a syringe quite full of that bird powder . It was the only thing I had within my reach. Apparently it didn't hurt him luckily. He has suffered genes like all South Americans . His poops have improved, but now we have started antibiotics due to his breathing.

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[Wiebke]

ok, thanks, I'll wait with the probiotic. How can you know if it is pneumonia? The vet has heard him and says that his lungs are heard with liquid. He has no runny nose or sneeze. Now, while I mist it he sometimes sneezes. Between today or tomorrow they do him an ultrasound.

Lungs filled with liquid count as pneumonia. If there is no change to the better on minimal medication, your vet will need to up the dosages. Unfortunately I cannot advise you on how much. Please show your vet the Guinea Lynx links which I have posted in an earlier post; one of them is on how a vet not experienced with guinea pigs can calculate an adequate dosage for the most common basic medications.

Please do not mix up a viral human cold with a bacterial respiratory infection or pneumonia - sneezing and runny noses are NOT the most common symptoms and very often have a different causes.

 

[AnaMT]

Lungs filled with liquid count as pneumonia. If there is no change to the better on minimal medication, your vet will need to up the dosages. Unfortunately I cannot advise you on how much. Please show your vet the Guinea Lynx links which I have posted in an earlier post; one of them is on how a vet not experienced with guinea pigs can calculate an adequate dosage for the most common basic medications.

Please do not mix up a viral human cold with a bacterial respiratory infection or pneumonia - sneezing and runny noses are NOT the most common symptoms and very often have a different causes.

Hi, We finally know what's going on. We did him the ultrasound and the diagnosis is: "Dilated cardiomyopathy with pleural effusion and ascites". As for the digestive system, everything is OK. Urinary says: kidneys with deficiency in CM differentiation (this made it clear to me that it may be due to lack of resolution of the machine as well. I don't know). Therefore, I will show this result to his vet. However, I had already anticipated that if it was to the heart there was not much to do. When I showed him a printed list of medications they didn't take it into account, I think the vet doesn't like it.

 

[AnaMT]

Ok, I have more news. We are going to start with furosemide 2mg every 12 hours (4mg a day) and fortekor 0.8mg every 12 hours (1.6mg a day). They are apparently minimal doses.
We will see your progress. Vet told me that his kidneys are not quite right, I hope this does not overload him too much

 

[Wiebke]

Ok, I have more news. We are going to start with furosemide 2mg every 12 hours (4mg a day) and fortekor 0.8mg every 12 hours (1.6mg a day). They are apparently minimal doses.
We will see your progress. Vet told me that his kidneys are not quite right, I hope this does not overload him too much

All the best! It is difficult when you come to old age and the organs are not quite well anymore. The same happens with us humans, so any medication is a weighing up of risks vs. benefits.

You will either see a very quick noticeable improvement if it is a heart problem or nothing at all if fortekor can't help. The furosemide whould help with clearing the lungs.

 

[AnaMT]

Hi! Thanks for the advices. Now, i'm having trouble with dissolving fortekor. The tablet is 5 mg but it is scored, so I break it in half (2.5 mg) and dissolve it in 2.5 ml of water. From there I give him a shot of 0.8 ml. Then for the next shot, the mixture has become thicker and is not enough for another 0.8 ml which is bad. So, do I have to dilute a new tablet for each dose so that this doesn't happen?

 

[Wiebke]

Hi! Thanks for the advices. Now, i'm having trouble with dissolving fortekor. The tablet is 5 mg but it is scored, so I break it in half (2.5 mg) and dissolve it in 2.5 ml of water. From there I give him a shot of 0.8 ml. Then for the next shot, the mixture has become thicker and is not enough for another 0.8 ml which is bad. So, do I have to dilute a new tablet for each dose so that this doesn't happen?

Ideally you use a new tablet each time; that is what I was recommended the one time one of my piggies with a suspicion of potential heart issues was put on it (she didn't react to heart drugs so we stopped after a trial week).

Please be aware that the mixture degrades the longer it is left. If you have to use it more than once, shake well, suck up the mixture into a larger syringe; measure the volume in the syringe and divide by the amount of dosages left so you get the correct dosage for that day. You can then dilute that single dosage further as much as you need but you can be sure that you have got the right amount of fortekor.

It is not uncommon that the carrier material into which the fortekor is mixed is rather absorbent. Rice powder and similar carriers etc. is are often used to provide the filler product in order to form a tablet/capsule powder to turn a minute quantity of the active ingredient to a form that is easy to take - and of course in your case, that is designed for a human.

 

[AnaMT]

Ideally you use a new tablet each time; that is what I was recommended the one time one of my piggies with a suspicion of potential heart issues was put on it (she didn't react to heart drugs so we stopped after a trial week).

Please be aware that the mixture degrades the longer it is left. If you have to use it more than once, shake well, suck up the mixture into a larger syringe; measure the volume in the syringe and divide by the amount of dosages left so you get the correct dosage for that day. You can then dilute that single dosage further as much as you need but you can be sure that you have got the right amount of fortekor.

It is not uncommon that the carrier material into which the fortekor is mixed is rather absorbent. Rice powder and similar carriers etc. is are often used to provide the filler product in order to form a tablet/capsule powder to turn a minute quantity of the active ingredient to a form that is easy to take - and of course in your case, that is designed for a human.

Oh ok! We will do this to improve the dosage of furosemide and benazepril (fortekor). Now a question arises, because we already know that he has a Dilated cardiomyopathy with pleural effusion and ascites, so the heart medications should help him. But how do we know when the fluid in your body is gone? Your diaphragmatic breathing should go away? If your diaphragmatic breathing disappears and then comes back, does the fluid have returned? On the other hand, vetmedin could also be useful to give more strength to your heart I understand. Your vet is evaluating whether to add it.
He continues eating and in good spirits. He has never lost it.

 

[Wiebke]

Oh ok! We will do this to improve the dosage of furosemide and benazepril (fortekor). Now a question arises, because we already know that he has a Dilated cardiomyopathy with pleural effusion and ascites, so the heart medications should help him. But how do we know when the fluid in your body is gone? Your diaphragmatic breathing should go away? If your diaphragmatic breathing disappears and then comes back, does the fluid have returned? On the other hand, vetmedin could also be useful to give more strength to your heart I understand. Your vet is evaluating whether to add it.
He continues eating and in good spirits. He has never lost it.

UK piggies with heart problems get generally put on vetmedin. Forum members have made good experiences with it.

The easing or strength of the diaphragmic breathing does indeed indicate whether the fluid build up is going down or not. Please be aware that you can do only so much with a failing heart; you can't heal it and the time you can buy may be very limited, especially if the drugs don't work well or don't work at all. There is unfortunately only so much you can do medically.

Your new vet is doing a great job in researching possible drugs that are available in your country. Heart problems in guinea pigs are a relatively new area and accordingly very little researched - and that compared to guinea pigs being one of the most under-researched common pets generally. The general opinion until very recent years has been that guinea pigs don't get them...

In any older piggy's life there comes the time when their much faster metabolism turns against them and something gives way, whether that is an organ or the frail immune system. You can unfortunately never choose what happens and when it happens. But you can make sure that you do not concentrate solely on your beloved boy's survival but on giving him as good day as he can have; pamper him and make every day special. The more you can fill the time with positive experiences and memories, the easier is the grieving process going to be for you. It starts the moment you realise that a much loved being's days may be numbered and that the success in treatment is not guaranteed; grieving doesn't start necessarily with the death. I don't want to spoil your determination to help your piggy but I would also rather you didn't fall over the edge of the cliff - whenever this happens - backwards and have a very bad landing because you haven't braced for it. You are currently operating in a space where it can go either way; and for your own sake in the longer term you want to be aware of this.
Enrichment Ideas for Guinea Pigs
A Practical and Sensitive Guide to Dying, Terminal Illness and Euthanasia in Guinea Pigs


Wishing you all the best! You are doing a great job; and so is your new vet. A general vet willing to do research and learn is always a great boon and in some ways better than an exotics vet with no interest in guinea pigs.

 

[AnaMT]

UK piggies with heart problems get generally put on vetmedin. Forum members have made good experiences with it.

The easing or strength of the diaphragmic breathing does indeed indicate whether the fluid build up is going down or not. Please be aware that you can do only so much with a failing heart; you can't heal it and the time you can buy may be very limited, especially if the drugs don't work well or don't work at all. There is unfortunately only so much you can do medically.

Your new vet is doing a great job in researching possible drugs that are available in your country. Heart problems in guinea pigs are a relatively new area and accordingly very little researched - and that compared to guinea pigs being one of the most under-researched common pets generally. The general opinion until very recent years has been that guinea pigs don't get them...

In any older piggy's life there comes the time when their much faster metabolism turns against them and something gives way, whether that is an organ or the frail immune system. You can unfortunately never choose what happens and when it happens. But you can make sure that you do not concentrate solely on your beloved boy's survival but on giving him as good day as he can have; pamper him and make every day special. The more you can fill the time with positive experiences and memories, the easier is the grieving process going to be for you. It starts the moment you realise that a much loved being's days may be numbered and that the success in treatment is not guaranteed; grieving doesn't start necessarily with the death. I don't want to spoil your determination to help your piggy but I would also rather you didn't fall over the edge of the cliff - whenever this happens - backwards and have a very bad landing because you haven't braced for it. You are currently operating in a space where it can go either way; and for your own sake in the longer term you want to be aware of this.
Enrichment Ideas for Guinea Pigs
A Practical and Sensitive Guide to Dying, Terminal Illness and Euthanasia in Guinea Pigs


Wishing you all the best! You are doing a great job; and so is your new vet. A general vet willing to do research and learn is always a great boon and in some ways better than an exotics vet with no interest in guinea pigs.

Indeed, as his family we will prioritize his quality of life and that he does not have pain. He is always happy and pampered and I have already discussed this with my human children about this new stage in the life of our piggie. Perhaps by improving his breathing he can feel more comfortable and with the treatment we will achieve a balance. If that doesn't happen, nature will take its course. The important thing is that he is happy and accompanied as always. With his vet we have investigated a lot the guinea linx, he did not know it. It will surely also serve for the management of other local guinea pigs. Apparently heart problems are not so strange in this type of animals. I will always be grateful to you. It first it has been hard but it is part of life itself.

 

[Wiebke]

Indeed, as his family we will prioritize his quality of life and that he does not have pain. He is always happy and pampered and I have already discussed this with my human children about this new stage in the life of our piggie. Perhaps by improving his breathing he can feel more comfortable and with the treatment we will achieve a balance. If that doesn't happen, nature will take its course. The important thing is that he is happy and accompanied as always. With his vet we have investigated a lot the guinea linx, he did not know it. It will surely also serve for the management of other local guinea pigs. Apparently heart problems are not so strange in this type of animals. I will always be grateful to you. It first it has been hard but it is part of life itself.

You are of course always welcome to come here!

Guinea Lynx is a USA based forum that specialises on the medical side of things whereas we concentrate on practical and emotional support for the care at home as well as on all the other aspects of ownership helping our members from all over the world to realise as good a welfare standard and to understand their piggies as much as they can in their own often very different situations. We prefer the practical approach since welfare is an ongoing, constantly evolving process and not an absolute state of perfection. Any little improvement that an owner can make (and we all can always make at least some) is one step more in promoting and spreading welfare.
We have also built up one of the largest and widest ranging information resources on here (best accessed via the Guinea Pig Guides shortcut on the top bar) and we are the liveliest and one of the oldest still existing guinea pig forums the in English speaking world because of our friendly and supportive forum ethos and the collective experience of our members, several of which are long term owners or rescue fosterers.

Heart problems are not that rare although they can be very difficult to diagnose even by an experienced vet; like with any new area that is discovered there is initially a bit of an overreaction; we have seen that for instance when diabetes in guinea pigs came on the scene. It does happen but is not as common as initially thought when it was overdiagnosed.
For instance, none of the guinea pigs of mine that presented three symptoms for potential heart disease has responded to heart medication. In one case, I had to persuade the vet to give it a trial because he wasn't sure that heart problems in guinea pigs really existed!
But I have lost three guinea pigs in operations when their heart suddenly gave out; only one of them was found to have a heart problem (very irregular heartbeat) in the pre-op assessment, which turned a risky emergency operation into a high risk make-or-break operation - it sadly didn't come off. So I still haven't had my own heart piggy to gain practical experience with - not that I really want to! The problem is of course that some very different heart problems are lumped together but diagnostics are still lagging behind; especially as not everybody has good vet access or is wealthy enough to afford 'supervet' prices.

PS: We have other forum members with practical experience in looking after guinea pigs with heart disease.

Considering how far we have come in the nearly 50 years since the first guinea pig has come into my life, we can do so much more and know so much more today. But compared to other pet species, we are still lagging far behind. For every issue that can be treated, three new and even more complex problems turn up on the horizon...

But I am glad that you are realistic about the situation you are in and that you are doing all the right things! I always feel so sorry for owners who struggle to let go and then suffer terribly for not accepting and addressing their own fears in time. If you can manage it, it is always better when you can let go with sadness in your heart but without major regrets.

 

[AnaMT]

I'm afraid I have no good news. My little pig's breathing remains the same. I also notice that his abdomen is swollen. Gases or liquid? His furesamide was increased to 2.5 mg 3 times a day. Follow with fortekor 0.8 mg twice a day. Vet prescribed metoclopramide 0.4mg 3 times a day. He continues eating, although I notice him more discouraged. He does not lie down, he stays very still, with his hair standing and sometimes makes noise with his teeth. Will you be in pain? How can I know that ?

 

[Wiebke]

I'm afraid I have no good news. My little pig's breathing remains the same. I also notice that his abdomen is swollen. Gases or liquid? His furesamide was increased to 2.5 mg 3 times a day. Follow with fortekor 0.8 mg twice a day. Vet prescribed metoclopramide 0.4mg 3 times a day. He continues eating, although I notice him more discouraged. He does not lie down, he stays very still, with his hair standing and sometimes makes noise with his teeth. Will you be in pain? How can I know that ?

Hi!

I am REALLY sorry, but he is in severe pain. It sounds like very bad bloat or a twisting gut. Once piggies start grunting, they should be euthanised as an emergency as possible (if possible) because the pain is too severe and their belly tends to feel like a block of concrete. Hair standing on end is also a sign of very bad internal pain.

In any old and frail piggy, bloat can happen out of the blue and progress terrifying speed.
My 9 years old Calli died this way in 2018 (as did my Hywel in 2016, Ceri in 2014 and my Ffowlyn in 2013); all were by then pretty frail although not actually near death. I had to race Calli to our local emergency vets in the middle of the night to spare her the last hours of suffering. She would not survived the night.

Here is more about severe bloat: Digestive Disorders: Diarrhea - Bloat - GI Stasis (No Gut Movement) And Not Eating

I wish I had better news.

 

[AnaMT]

Hi!

I am REALLY sorry, but he is in severe pain. It sounds like very bad bloat or a twisting gut. Once piggies start grunting, they should be euthanised as an emergency as possible (if possible) because the pain is too severe and their belly tends to feel like a block of concrete. Hair standing on end is also a sign of very bad internal pain.

In any old and frail piggy, bloat can happen out of the blue and progress terrifying speed.
My 9 years old Calli died this way in 2018 (as did my Hywel in 2016, Ceri in 2014 and my Ffowlyn in 2013); all were by then pretty frail although not actually near death. I had to race Calli to our local emergency vets in the middle of the night to spare her the last hours of suffering. She would not survived the night.

Here is more about severe bloat: Digestive Disorders: Diarrhea - Bloat - GI Stasis (No Gut Movement) And Not Eating

I wish I had better news.

Hi! They have been hours of many emotions. We still have our piggie physically with us.
Last Sunday I consulted with his new vet about the possibility of euthanasia, but she told me that he did not do that. That the only vet of exotics that does it is the vet before we went (the one that gave us the supplement for birds). Ok, I called his number but he doesn't answer on Sundays. DOES NOT attend emergencies. I called him early Monday, he gave us an appointment for 4:30 p.m. We take Cobi to that hour. He checked him and said it was not a case for euthanasia. He would only do it in case Cobi is not eating or can barely move. Vet listened to him and said that apparently his lungs are clear. He touched his abdomen, he didn't seem to have pain there. So we went home. My piggie is still grinding his teeth and twitching his hair, but it has always been at intervals. At other times he is completely normal. He's eating well, purring, pooping normal. His breathing continues the same. I've been watching him carefully and he seems to grind his teeth exactly before he urinates. I have also noticed that he has a little discharge from his eyes. So, going back to the possibility that his pain is when he urinates, if it were a stone, it would have been seen on the ultrasound? Is it possible that due to furosemide, as his urination increases, he has irritation?
We are currently on furosemide 7.5 mg per day and benazepril 1.4 mg per day (both medicines divided into two daily doses)

 

[Wiebke]

Hi! They have been hours of many emotions. We still have our piggie physically with us.
Last Sunday I consulted with his new vet about the possibility of euthanasia, but she told me that he did not do that. That the only vet of exotics that does it is the vet before we went (the one that gave us the supplement for birds). Ok, I called his number but he doesn't answer on Sundays. DOES NOT attend emergencies. I called him early Monday, he gave us an appointment for 4:30 p.m. We take Cobi to that hour. He checked him and said it was not a case for euthanasia. He would only do it in case Cobi is not eating or can barely move. Vet listened to him and said that apparently his lungs are clear. He touched his abdomen, he didn't seem to have pain there. So we went home. My piggie is still grinding his teeth and twitching his hair, but it has always been at intervals. At other times he is completely normal. He's eating well, purring, pooping normal. His breathing continues the same. I've been watching him carefully and he seems to grind his teeth exactly before he urinates. I have also noticed that he has a little discharge from his eyes. So, going back to the possibility that his pain is when he urinates, if it were a stone, it would have been seen on the ultrasound? Is it possible that due to furosemide, as his urination increases, he has irritation?
We are currently on furosemide 7.5 mg per day and benazepril 1.4 mg per day (both medicines divided into two daily doses)

I am very sorry for your struggles. I can always only judge the situation by your words without being able to check on him.

Have you been given pain relief? The grunting, the hair standing on end and the eye discharge are all signs of serious pain that is too great for even the most stoic of guinea pigs to suppress.

I can unfortunately not comment on what is the cause of the pain but I would assume that something serious is going on.

 

[AnaMT]

I am very sorry for your struggles. I can always only judge the situation by your words without being able to check on him.

Have you been given pain relief? The grunting, the hair standing on end and the eye discharge are all signs of serious pain that is too great for even the most stoic of guinea pigs to suppress.

I can unfortunately not comment on what is the cause of the pain but I would assume that something serious is going on.

So sad. Thank You for your support. I asked both vet for something for the pain but they both agree not to recharge their kidneys. Therefore, what can I give him by my own decision? meloxicam? I don't have many alternatives here. I definitely don't want him to be in pain.

 

[Wiebke]

So sad. Thank You for your support. I asked both vet for something for the pain but they both agree not to recharge their kidneys. Therefore, what can I give him by my own decision? meloxicam? I don't have many alternatives here. I definitely don't want him to be in pain.

Please give him the meloxicam. Is it dog or cat strength? Metacam/meloxicam is much better tolerated by guinea pigs than most other pet species, and certainly much better than by cats and dogs.

Personally in this situation comfort and being free of pain comes well before any length of life, which I don't think will last for a very long time.
Here in the UK we have the five basic animal rights enshrined in law. Freedom from pain and any unnecessary suffering is one of them.

I am very sorry for the situation you are finding yourself in. You are such a loving owner and are doing such a great job.

 

[AnaMT]

Please give him the meloxicam. Is it dog or cat strength? Metacam/meloxicam is much better tolerated by guinea pigs than most other pet species, and certainly much better than by cats and dogs.

Personally in this situation comfort and being free of pain comes well before any length of life, which I don't think will last for a very long time.
Here in the UK we have the five basic animal rights enshrined in law. Freedom from pain and any unnecessary suffering is one of them.

I am very sorry for the situation you are finding yourself in. You are such a loving owner and are doing such a great job.

In an underdeveloped country like this, human rights are hardly fulfilled. I'm going to see what I can get without a prescription. Then based on the doses that I see that they usually use in this forum, I will do the calculations and check it. Under my decision. Thanks for all the support.

 

[Wiebke]

In an underdeveloped country like this, human rights are hardly fulfilled. I'm going to see what I can get without a prescription. Then based on the doses that I see that they usually use in this forum, I will do the calculations and check it. Under my decision. Thanks for all the support.

How much does you boy weigh now?

You can give up to 0.4 ml dog metacam/meloxicam or 1.2 ml cat metacam every 12 hours for extreme pain to a 1 kg piggy.

For major pain you give 0.25 ml dog and 0.75 ml cat metacam every 12 hours. My Teggy is currenty on this dosage after her emergency operation yesterday.

You can also find advice on calculating the meloxicam dose via the Guinea Lynx link I have given you before, including a calculator that allows you enter the relevant data to arrive at a correct dosage: Guinea Lynx :: Calculating Doses

 

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How much does you boy weigh now?

You can give up to 0.4 ml dog metacam/meloxicam or 1.2 ml cat metacam every 12 hours for extreme pain to a 1 kg piggy.

For major pain you give 0.25 ml dog and 0.75 ml cat metacam every 12 hours. My Teggy is currenty on this dosage after her emergency operation yesterday.

You can also find advice on calculating the meloxicam dose via the Guinea Lynx link I have given you before, including a calculator that allows you enter the relevant data to arrive at a correct dosage: Guinea Lynx :: Calculating Doses

I have consulted by phone in many pets pharmacies. I have found it in drops. I'd have it within 4 hours. I think it is the product of the photo. cobi weighs 860 grams