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Mites?

We got bitten by cat fleas as kids - over a year after she'd died. We had a lovely shaggy 70's carpet. A council guy came round to spray and he said this was actually very common in ex-cat households: the fleas drop off the cat and lay eggs in the 'environment' and when they hatch they get back on the cat - unless there's not a cat anymore! She was flea-treated regularly but there's always one or two that get through and we had her for quite a long time. It was not great for your dad to blame you though! I was a particularly delicious child and always had insect bites but mum got pretty good at spotting ones which might be flea bites and dosing the cat (although I played with lots of cats 😉 ) My sister very rarely got bitten by anything but I still think that's because she's a smelly elephant 😁

We all have a first time - and we only knew about them because we've had quite a high turn-over of guinea-pigs so we've had new ones coming in more regularly from different places. That sounds awful doesn't it - but about half of them were older local 'left-over' pigs and they came here to find company so we only had them a year or so (yes - a lot of heartache) and the others were rescue so they were 'mature' when they arrived too. Sometimes piggies pick things up outdoors - things can hop off passing wildlife and find a new home. Some things are pig-specific but some are more general.

At my baby group (when it was on!) I occasionally mention 'worms' in small children and most people looked really surprised but there's usually a first time for that too and it's wise to get a heads-up so you know what to look for. Especially once they get a bit older and start playing in sandpits!
And don't get me started on bl**dy 'moths'!


You're not overthinking... if Little ends up being treated it might be a juggling act. I think the ivermectin stays in the system for a few days but I'm not sure how long. If BB has no adverse reactions it probably won't hurt him to have an extra cycle of treatment if you end up having to treat Little so that both complete treatment at the same time. I must say - I've not heard of doses four weeks apart before but I know there are different regimes out there for different critters and you might have been given a different product to the one I usually get. However, on the general instruction leaflet (that comes with the Dechra Xeno450 spot-on tubes) it says, "For the treatment of an existing infestation, repeat doses are required two weeks and four weeks after the initial application". I'd be a bit sensitive as to whether my vet had perhaps misread? And I would be tempted to e-mail in and just confirm that. If they're only treating pigs with symptoms and Little gets symptoms he should be treated... but you've not had BB that long have you? Little might just be scratching because he's a lovely fluffy boy rather than because he's got passengers.

As I understand it with mites the irritation isn't so much caused by them scampering about it's a side-effect of them feeding. Some mites digest the top layer of skin cells to feed - and some of these are loose anyway - but it's their saliva (if you can call it that) that causes the irritation so even if the mites are killed off it might take a little longer for the sensation to calm down. With mine the scratching usually calms down within say, 36 hours... but BB might be a sensitive boy!
Lol it was a miracle that I didn’t actually get bit! I was diagnosed with OCD as a child so you can imagine my absolute horror when it happened, as well as me obsessively checking myself constantly to make sure none were on me. When he took me home to my mums, the fleas were crawling all in the car and everything. I got my mum to douse me in flea spray when I got home, but even then I still felt like they were all over me. My mum was so mad at my dad.

We’ve had BB 2 weeks, so it’s likely he’s brought them with him. Little seems to have some irritation today :( I was petting him earlier and everywhere I would pet would send him itching - similar to what BB was doing. Little has really thick, dense fur as he’s an agouti so if I pet on the surface nothing happened, but when I buried my fingers in a little to pet him he would itch.
We’ve called the vets and they’re arranging some for us to pick up.
This is what it says on our box and pipette:
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Have they done it incorrectly? Are we meant to give some in two weeks too?
 
Unless things have changed in 3 years I agree with @Free Ranger when I had to treat mine it was 3 doses 2 weeks apart. I've just looked it up in the notebook I keep on treatments the piggies have had. I think your vets have made a mistake.
I hope your boys are back to normal very quickly, mine were.
 
I'd just do a double-check with the vets by mail or phone - you can blame me, I don't mind. I might be completely wrong and then we've all learnt something. Perhaps there is another vet at the practice they can confirm it with? The vet who prescribed us the 2 treatments/ 3 weeks apart was visiting from Oz and I thought afterwards he either got that the wrong way round or they perhaps get critters over there with different life-cycles. I mean, it worked but the mites came back after the treatments were completed. With 3 treatments/ 2 weeks apart they didn't. If they clearly state 2 treatments / 4 weeks apart tell them you'll be fine to go with it but ask if you have to pay for a second consultation fee if the mites come back!
 
All the advice I’ve been given with Cleo has been three treatments two weeks apart to kill the lice as the new eggs hatch etc to ensure they’re all wiped out and no reoccurrence. 60deg washes to zap them on fleece and beds, and cleaning with F10 in cages. Why Saturday was a bit mad at my house with 3 cages and 4 piggles!
Hope Little isn’t too itchy bless him x
 
Thanks all. It seems to me like there should be 3 doses 2 weeks apart.
We’ve just collected Little’s treatment.
We called the vets again at around 1 and told the receptionist everything. It was on file that Little is to be allowed the mite treatment if we call up so we had done that this morning. This time we mentioned about a 3rd dose, the receptionist says she’ll add an extra dose for Little and give us an extra dose for BB just in case there has been a mistake so that we don’t have to travel back again to collect more. But she told us not to use it until she’s spoken to the vet who prescribed them as she isn’t working today. If the prescribing vet says the extra dose isn’t required, do you think I should give it anyway? I trust you lot more than the vet, that’s for sure!
 
Bit confused by this...
We were only given 3 pipettes but to me this sounds like 3 pipettes per treatment, using 9 in total for 3 treatments?
Or is only 1 per treatment correct? This is a nightmare lol
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Oh no, what a pain! :doh:
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I had to get the Xeno 50 for Cleo who’s roughly 600g, so needs 3 pipettes per treatment. And the 450 for my 3 bigger pigs. So they need 1 each per treatment, 3 each for whole course.
 
Oh no, what a pain! :doh:
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I had to get the Xeno 50 for Cleo who’s roughly 600g, so needs 3 pipettes per treatment. And the 450 for my 3 bigger pigs. So they need 1 each per treatment, 3 each for whole course.
BB has the 450, weighs between 1400-1500. Little can weigh between 1080-1160. So I’m guessing the 3 pipettes of Xeno 50 will only cover one complete dosage? So we’re going to have to call up again and ask for the remaining 6 pipettes? I hope they don’t charge us as we’ve essentially paid about £25 for one dose!
 
Looks like he’ll need 5 pipettes, then? The box only says 9 to cover 3 treatments worth. This is what the vet has written on the system for Little with his weight. This just keeps getting worse, lol
 
Yes looks like he’ll need 5, Cleo’s only roughly 9 weeks old so tiny compared to him! So sorry, think they’ve got confused with him which one to put out or something! :doh:
This is written on instructions too (sorry not trying to annoy you on purpose!)
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@alpacasqueak is best to advise here as I have never had to use the mini-pipettes - I think they just took a punt with my 1.05 kg sow but she was a lot younger than Little. I'm wondering if the other vet gave you mini-pipettes by mistake? Or if there was a mix-up in the dispensing room? This is turning into something of a nightmare for you - I'm so sorry! 💕

I was once prescribed 0.24ml /dose of something (the vet was so specific I had to ask for a nice clear syringe!) but when the meds came through the label said 0.2ml... which I questioned in case he'd changed his mind (felt like I was quibbling as it doesn't seem like much difference but was nearly 20% of the dose) and it turned out it was just that the machine couldn't print a 2nd decimal place.
 
Yes looks like he’ll need 5, Cleo’s only roughly 9 weeks old so tiny compared to him! So sorry, think they’ve got confused with him which one to put out or something! :doh:
This is written on instructions too (sorry not trying to annoy you on purpose!)
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Don’t worry you aren’t the one annoying me, lol!
Do you think I could get away with giving Little one of the 450 Xeno pipettes? He’s just weighed in at 1125, so a little smaller than required but I’m conscious now about just getting him treated.
We just rung up about the pipette situation and the receptionist was really rude. She also said guinea pigs don’t need to go to exotic vets, as they aren’t classed as exotic species when we mentioned that we usually take him elsewhere. She said the vet will ring us when she’s on her next shift, but probably won’t up the dosage to 5 of the mini’s and she’s unsure if they will give the other 6 pipettes that should’ve been in the box anyway!
 
I’m definitely not best to advise, my advice is after vet confirmed lice etc! My 3 bigger bubs are (roughly) 1100, 1060 and Luigi a whopper at 1330 and had the bigger treatment (Xeno 450).
Maybe with vets so manic atm with Covid they’re stressed! But still, not fair to be catty! They’re a receptionist at my local that has always been really funny with me, no idea why, dread talking to her! But after Pedro the chin, Jess and Rosie the cat think she pities me now after the states I was in, very eager to see Cleo the other day! Very strange! 🤷‍♀️
 
I’m definitely not best to advise, my advice is after vet confirmed lice etc! My 3 bigger bubs are (roughly) 1100, 1060 and Luigi a whopper at 1330 and had the bigger treatment (Xeno 450).
Maybe with vets so manic atm with Covid they’re stressed! But still, not fair to be catty! They’re a receptionist at my local that has always been really funny with me, no idea why, dread talking to her! But after Pedro the chin, Jess and Rosie the cat think she pities me now after the states I was in, very eager to see Cleo the other day! Very strange! 🤷‍♀️
Right, thank you. I will give him the 450 then. He’s not as small as your smallest piggy, so I think he’ll be okay. I’m just conscious now about BB re-catching them from Little. Especially as there’s no point giving Little the 3 mini pipettes since he needs 5, I don’t think it will even work.
Some receptionist can be so funny for no reason. The same receptionist was like that when I took them on Saturday, like just a bit off? There’s one at my exotic vet that’s the same, one of the times I rang up to say we’d arrived for our appointment, she put our details in then actually said “ugh”. It was the weirdest thing, especially seeing as I keep to myself when I’m at the vet. There was one incident about 2 years ago though when I was bawling my eyes out as we’d took one of the pigs for euthanasia, so maybe that’s why she doesn’t like me — no pity there! I always thought being a receptionist at a vet would be a nice job, but perhaps not lol. Funnily, most sour receptionists turn sweet when a dog walks in so maybe they’re only keen on people that bring in the dogs.
 
Yes very strange, some are so funny! Then again I even had my 80 year old grandma on the phone last week saying ‘how horrible’ when I said about Cleo’s wonky feet, after I don’t know how many times with Pedro and Jess, more poor Ped and the flushing etc I did for months! The most caring person you’ll meet but when it comes to my fishies or little fluffs just doesn’t (and probably won’t ever!) like the little ‘uns! 🙄
I’d do the same, not worth the constant spreading to each other etc. With Little being older and Cleo being younger I guess it hits them harder (well know but you know, he may not have any but better not at all!) if they do get the horrible things, might as well try and get rid ASAP x
 
Yes very strange, some are so funny! Then again I even had my 80 year old grandma on the phone last week saying ‘how horrible’ when I said about Cleo’s wonky feet, after I don’t know how many times with Pedro and Jess, more poor Ped and the flushing etc I did for months! The most caring person you’ll meet but when it comes to my fishies or little fluffs just doesn’t (and probably won’t ever!) like the little ‘uns! 🙄
I’d do the same, not worth the constant spreading to each other etc. With Little being older and Cleo being younger I guess it hits them harder (well know but you know, he may not have any but better not at all!) if they do get the horrible things, might as well try and get rid ASAP x
Aww her wonky feet are adorable, a bit strange but there’s nothing bad about them! I know some people aren’t keen on small pets though, especially with rats and things whereas I just think they’re all cute.
We put the treatment on Little about an hour ago, he seems ok, he went straight to sleep on me afterwards. I think I’ll get all the fleece changed and the cage cleaned on Wednesday. Fingers crossed now that BB doesn’t re-catch anything.
 
I don't think they'll 're-catch' anything in that sense... it'll just be any eggs hatching and so the second dose will cover it.

I've had lovely attitudes from the receptionists at my vet... but at the docs - oh my gosh :td:
 
The way I'm reading it the vets have got confused between the 50 and 450 xeno, maybe put the pipettes in a spare/wrong box? The box says xeno 50 mini tubes but the tube you have in the photo says 450? Looking at @alpacasqueak leaflet both your boys would be okay with one tube x 3 of 450 meaning you need 6 tubes? I'm not surprised you are annoyed and fed up this is so confusing and the lady you spoke to was very unhelpful. I could be interpreting what it says on the tube wrong of course, wish I still had one here to compare! Looking at the top of alpacasqueaks 450 sheet it says each pipette contains 450 .... Ivermectin (cant quite read) - your tube contains 450 Ivermectin mcg.
 
The way I'm reading it the vets have got confused between the 50 and 450 xeno, maybe put the pipettes in a spare/wrong box? The box says xeno 50 mini tubes but the tube you have in the photo says 450? Looking at @alpacasqueak leaflet both your boys would be okay with one tube x 3 of 450 meaning you need 6 tubes? I'm not surprised you are annoyed and fed up this is so confusing and the lady you spoke to was very unhelpful. I could be interpreting what it says on the tube wrong of course, wish I still had one here to compare! Looking at the top of alpacasqueaks 450 sheet it says each pipette contains 450 .... Ivermectin (cant quite read) - your tube contains 450 Ivermectin mcg.
I think the tube picture you’re looking at is a picture of what BB was prescribed! It’s all really confusing for everyone involved, lol. Either way, I’m hoping we can somehow get a refund on what we were given for Little (doubt it) and then I’ve bought some of the Xeno 450 online for Little. I’m not messing about with minis, I think he’ll cope with the bigger dosage. Because we have 3 pipettes of the 450 for BB and then some more 450 coming by the end of the week, it meant we could give Little one of BB’s pipettes now and start the treatment process properly. The last thing I want is to be stuck in a continuous cycle of them both needing treatment at different times because I couldn’t get hold of 5 mini pipettes in a decent time frame. I feel a lot better now that I’ve just decided to give Little the same dose as BB as we were just in a limbo sort of state where we didn’t know what to do and the vets weren’t being helpful.
I will have a look at the mini tubes though in the morning to check what it says on the pipettes as I don’t think I even looked. Imagine if by some miracle they’re the 450 dosage, don’t know if I’d laugh or cry!
 
Ah, yes that' probably it, I thought you had been given the same for both of them.
I think I'd have done the same and got them on line, sometimes you've just got to make a decision and do it. It makes far more sense to treat them together.
 
So today we gave BB his second dose.
His bald spot has only grown though rather than improve. It was hard to get a clear picture of, but the part that had hair loss to start with still doesn’t have hair but now includes this strip?
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The vet didn’t properly test for mites, but rather looked and said ‘yep!’. Obviously we thought it had to be as we began to notice Little itching but that could’ve been in our head!
There doesn’t seem to be anything fungal and if it were mites, which were all killed 2 weeks ago, I would’ve expected the bald patch to have got slightly better. I’m a bit confused as to what it could possibly be?
 
So today we gave BB his second dose.
His bald spot has only grown though rather than improve. It was hard to get a clear picture of, but the part that had hair loss to start with still doesn’t have hair but now includes this strip?
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The vet didn’t properly test for mites, but rather looked and said ‘yep!’. Obviously we thought it had to be as we began to notice Little itching but that could’ve been in our head!
There doesn’t seem to be anything fungal and if it were mites, which were all killed 2 weeks ago, I would’ve expected the bald patch to have got slightly better. I’m a bit confused as to what it could possibly be?

the treatment only kills live mites, not eggs. So the next batch of eggs hatch and then they get the next dose of treatment which then kills those live mites. the third treatment making sure everything is completely gone. Things won’t immediately get better
 
After a couple of days new eggs will have been hatching out and the cycle starts again... the repeat doses are to kill 'them off before they begin reproducing. If the itching increases between first and second treatments it's a pretty good indication that what you're spotting on is working, especially if the next spot-on stops the scratching. It's tricky to test for mites... they sometimes scrape a bit of skin and look under the microscope. We've had pigs where nothing could be seen but combing the rump easily brought out tufts of hair by the root so we got the spot-on, did the treatment, symptoms ceased, shedding stopped! If his skin's in good condition give it a bit more time. I suspect he'll be more bothered by being itchy than a bit of a bald spot so that's what to watch for with mites!
 
Right, thanks all!
In my mind, I thought that the eggs didn’t hatch until just before 2 weeks hence why that’s when we repeat the doses.
Since I wrote that, he’s been absolutely freaking out which he didn’t do the first time. Seems really itchy any everything. It’s quite nasty to watch to be honest. It makes me think that it’s definitely killing something, so likely mites!
 
Update: BB is still absolutely freaking out. He can’t keep still, he’s sprinting around and jumping a bit. Seems like he’s intensely itchy. He seems to be having a bad reaction I know people don’t like spot on for various reasons like causing seizures, and whilst it isn’t that serious it is very hard to watch
 
The vet told me that it causes the mites to spasm which can make them really itchy. Poor BB. It's not something we saw - although the first time we had them they were very itchy anyway. Would metacam help (if you have any in?)
He didn't react like this the first time did he? You would think that if it's an adverse reaction to the meds it would have happened then too?
 
The vet told me that it causes the mites to spasm which can make them really itchy. Poor BB. It's not something we saw - although the first time we had them they were very itchy anyway. Would metacam help (if you have any in?)
He didn't react like this the first time did he? You would think that if it's an adverse reaction to the meds it would have happened then too?
We could definitely give him some metacam.
He was completely fine the first time, no reaction at all. This time, we’ve used the Xeno450 we ordered from a veterinary site due to our trouble getting proper treatment from the vet. It’s the exact same stuff as we used the first time just from our box and not the vet’s box. I wasn’t sure if maybe the one at the vets maybe had expired so not as strong as the one we have now? I have no idea. He’s been freaking out almost 2 hours now
 
If you're worried you could always give your vet a call if they have 24 hour cover... they might be able to give you an idea about how long it will last.
We've always used the 450 and not all our pigs were 1.2 kilos - some were between 1 and 1.1. You would think vet meds are checked for expiry though.
Poor BB 😢
 
If you're worried you could always give your vet a call if they have 24 hour cover... they might be able to give you an idea about how long it will last.
We've always used the 450 and not all our pigs were 1.2 kilos - some were between 1 and 1.1. You would think vet meds are checked for expiry though.
Poor BB 😢
Think it’s died down a little now, not completely but he seems to be having the ‘episodes’ further apart. BB is around 1450 grams so he’s at the perfect weight for the 450. Now I’m worried about when we give it to Little in a couple of days as he’s around 1100. Hopefully BB’s freak outs stop altogether soon :(
 
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