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The children and i have been very ill i don't remember the whole conversation may be you all do it when you go to the vet you shut down especially when you have a very sad job,
 
Awwwwww HUGS I just cannot believe it :'( :'( :'( pm me if you wanna chat :'(
 
daftscotslass said:
I don't understand it at all how he could come to such a conclusion without doing a swab first :( :( Especially since chlamydia and pneumonia are not caused by viruses? I would try and get a second opinion or text/phone Vedra for advice on this.

I don't know what else to say really, I'm so sorry.
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No really you have said enough Thanks!
 
So sorry to hear your sad news. I hope your family and other piggies are ok.
 
I am so very sorry :'( What a terrible decison to have to make :(
I hope you & your children get the all clear & that your other piggies don't show symptoms. Thinking of you
 
We've had seven piggies come our way in the last 8 months and have been blessed to have none of them lost as yet. But I know this, sometimes love and mercy must manifest themselves in ways that are not always pleasing to our human nature, nor are they attractive to our emotions and senses. While we yet want our humanity to be pleased and satisfied, there is a divine spark placed in our hearts by the Almighty that, when we truly love, causes us to arrive at a conclusion that is for the greater good.

Suffering is not easy, especially when you cannot communicate your wants and wishes to anyone. Love then may well manifest as mercy such as it has here. Be encouraged in that, while your humanity is discontented, the conscience is pure and clean of guilt because suffering has ended by a manifestation of pure love through mercy.

Be encouraged.

Rev. Jason M. Hood
Sis. Amy N. Hood
 
wow that was heavy but strangly comforting, thank you
 
piggybaker said:
The children and i have been very ill i don't remember the whole conversation may be you all do it when you go to the vet you shut down especially when you have a very sad job,
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Absolutely, the only thing you can think of at that time is that little furry bundle in you arms looking at you, you can see the vets lips moving but its not registering and then you just forget all of it as you step outside.

Aah, poor you what an awful thing to happen, paws crossed for ALL your babies................xx
 
I'm so sorry, I know how easy it is to become attached to your pets.

I know how hard it must be for you and am thinking of you in your time of mourning. :'(

Hope you and the kids are okay. x
 
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I agree with Daftscotslass, and feel that the vet should have carried out tests.Neither chalmydial or pnuemonia are zoonotic to humans,and they are both curable.Pnuemonia can be fatal,but at least the piggy would have a chance with proper treatment.

Piggies can get respitory infections from the human cold virus,but I am doubtful that this was the case here.

There are different types of pnuemonia that can affect gps,so the vet should have tested to isolate the causal agent.

I am so sorry for PiggyBaker because sshe fought really hard for her piggies and this should not have happened.
 
oh hunny i'm sooo sorry to hear that * MASSIVE HUGS*. :'( :smitten: hope you and your family feel better soon.thinking of you :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :-*
 
Perhaps some people should stop making sweeping statements about something they do not understand!

It is clear that piggybaker perhaps misunderstood some of the information given to her by the vet; we are not all scientists and some may confuse a bacterial and viral infection. Actually daftscotslass if you understood the mechanism of Chlamydia you would actually know that some of its characteristics actually mimic a virus – one of the reasons that it is difficult to treat.

Piggybaker, firstly, sadly, your vet made the correct decision. He or she obviously had the experience and confidence to spot the classic symptoms of Chlamydia psittaci without subjecting you to the additional costs of a swab which can cost up to £70 per pig, depending on the laboratory used.
The cavy specific Chlamydia caviae generally only presents with the eye infections and not the respiratory problems.

Secondly, what gives ANYONE the idea that Chlamydia is not zoonotic ?
Chlamydia psittaci is a classic zoonosis. It is also known as psittacosis or 'parrot disease’. I’m absolutely certain that your vet took into account the risks to your young children in deciding to PTS the pigs.

This is the second instance of Chlamydia psittaci that I have heard about in 48 hours. The disease is out there. There are two likely causes of infection. It may be spread from birds especially pigeons if the pigs are outside (from soiled grass perhaps?) The other route is by infection from another pig. Piggybaker you need to consider whether your pigs had been in contact with others – friends, pigs, pet shops, shows etc and warn those people to be on the lookout for similar symptoms. Similarly if anyone else has a pig showing these symptoms they need to see a vet urgently.
 
Juniper said:
Perhaps some people should stop making sweeping statements about something they do not understand!

It is clear that piggybaker perhaps misunderstood some of the information given to her by the vet; we are not all scientists and some may confuse a bacterial and viral infection. Actually daftscotslass if you understood the mechanism of Chlamydia you would actually know that some of its characteristics actually mimic a virus – one of the reasons that it is difficult to treat.
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If you go back and actually do some reading

"I had them both put to sleep, the vet said that he thinks that the virus they have can be passed on to me and the children"

"What did the vet say the virus was , Did they do test's before coming to a conclusion ."

"Clamidia/ pneumonia"

So no, neither are viral in guinea pigs, despite the characteristic symptoms they may exhibit.

This post is almost a month old - I don't think there is much more than can be added. Mods?
 
I think there's a lot more that can be added but not to this thread. Piggybaker has made her decision, she was there we weren't. If someone wants to start a thread on Chlamydia I for one would be interested in it given that it seems to be 'around' this year (or maybe I've just not heard about it in the past).

Some facts backed up with some reading (eg links) would be good :) One thing I would like to know is if the disease is identified can it be treated/cured.
 
Chlamydia Psittici is zoonotic and can be passed onto humans , i have it I'm my stock at the moment and have had swabbs done via vedra at CCT .
Pigs cannot be moved cos this has to be contained and pregnant women , children and people with compromised immune sytems are at serious risk from it .

All my cavys are having to be PTS today as i have no immune system because of chemotherapy and my life is at risk if i go near them , i dont have anyone who can look after them for me or treat them , they cannot be moved to any other fancier friends as the risk to their pigs would be too great .

This is only being done after much consultation with 4 vets and my oncologist .
To say I'm devastated is an understatment but i have to put my life first .

PIGGY BAKER YOU DID THE RIGHT THING FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY , CAVYS CAN BE REPLACED YOUR CHILDREN CANT .
Dont let anyone try make you feel guilty and try keep your chin up

David xx
 
Thanks for posting, I'm going to start a new thread. Does all your stock include your Skinny?
 
daftscotslass said:
This post is almost a month old - I don't think there is much more than can be added. Mods?
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Sorry, I have to see the funny side of that. But a glimmer of entertainment at least lightens what is CURRENTLY a very serious situation for cavies in UK
Oh ... and I'll do some more reading too :)

Sorry Piggybaker, nothing wrong with getting confused by what the vet said - it was an upsetting time for you.
 
Juniper said:
daftscotslass said:
This post is almost a month old - I don't think there is much more than can be added. Mods?
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Sorry, I have to see the funny side of that. But a glimmer of entertainment at least lightens what is CURRENTLY a very serious situation for cavies in UK
Oh ... and I'll do some more reading too :)

Sorry Piggybaker, nothing wrong with getting confused by what the vet said - it was an upsetting time for you.
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Acutally I was referring to the fact that the person made their decision, not that the disease wasn't a problem.

Please stop being so patronising.
 
karenrgpr said:
Thanks for posting, I'm going to start a new thread. Does all your stock include your Skinny?
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My Skinny lives in the house and has never been anywhere near the other cavies , as soon as i realised there was a problem in the shed i got the pigs tested because i dont like to leave things and stopped showing , i was ultra carefull to make sure i was well dissinfected before going anywhere near him and the other animals .

David x
 
ahcavies & Piggybaker - this must have been a horrific thing to make a descision on but I think you have done the right thing. From what I have read this is a deadly thing & is incredibly contagious can even be spread by airborn particles (please correct if I'm wrong).
I think that ANYONE who suspects this at all speed is of the essence, and making people aware of where they thing they could have caught it from too. App the incubation is approx 10 days.

ahcavies good luck with your personal recovery.
 
After reading all the posts and the information supplied, I just wanted to say how tragic the whole thing is and how courageous ahcavies and piggybaker have been in such awful circumstances, my heart goes out to you both, especially ahcavies........

Of course this means that the unscrupulous breeders, i.e., money makers and pet shop suppliers will either be totally unaware of all this or (more likely) in a hurry to 'out' their stock to 'get rid' won't it?

All very sad.......
 
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piglover said:
Of course this means that the unscrupulous breeders, i.e., money makers and pet shop suppliers will either be totally unaware of all this or (more likely) in a hurry to 'out' their stock to 'get rid' won't it?

All very sad.......
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No change there then :)

I think its up to Jo Public to quaratine new pigs whether from rescue, breeder or pet shop. Its not a question of blaming anyone, just minimising risk and being extra vigilant. The information also needs to be got out there as Juniper has said.
 
karenrgpr said:
Its not a question of blaming anyone, just minimising risk and being extra vigilant. The information also needs to be got out there as Juniper has said.
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I'm not trying to 'blame' anyone just reiterating that the pet shops may become more plentiful in stock. - of course the message must be spread far and wide I'm Just joining in the discussion of the tragedy of it all thats all..................
 
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Weather we breed , show or just keep a few pets we all need to pull together to iradicate this terrible disease .

I know talk about showing is not allowed but ive said this because we all need to pull together , be extra vigilant with your cavies , if you susspect anything please get them tested .

The strain of chlamydia going around is chlamydia psittici .

David x
 
Its not about showing its about guinea pigs/cavies and the Humans involved. I take it this has always been around David just more of it this year?
 
I mentioned showing because if people visit shows they need to be extra vigilant .

According to Vedra she hasnt seen a case of it for 15 years and another vet i spoke to hasnt come accross it for a few years , this strain is very ver virlent and spreads so quickly , its gone through my stock in just about 5 weeks , from one cavy catching it and spreading through the lot .

David xx
 
I am a bit confused here because there are two strains of chlamidia bacteria--C.trachomatitis which can cause serious disease in humans,but does not affect animals., and psittaci which affects animals but not humans.
 
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