Euthanasia and acute pining during lockdown 💔

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The thread that I never wanted to post.
I posted last week that I believed to have a mystery illness sweeping my piggies, as it turns out it was 3 seperate badly timed! issues which lead 3 piggies out of 4 to stop eating around the same time. Marshmallows was completely unrelated and she thankfully perked up very quickly!
Princess my palliative piggy with an inoperable abdominal tumour it turned out to sadly be that her tumour had rapidly grown causing a rather sudden decline and is now occupying a large amount of her abdominal cavity meaning she can't eat as much as there is not as much room for food. The vet said there is no more treatment or no more medicine available to help her and she is sadly loosing quality of life so urged us to take a few days to think this over and love her then consider euthanasia and had it been one of her piggies she would have already called it. We are so blessed that we have had her in our lives for 8 and a half wonderful months since adoption. We love her so very much, too much to ever let her suffer and if this thing grows any more and causes a blockage that will be excruciating for her and we've managed her pain up to now but it is at a point where there is no more we can do and must make the heartbreaking decision to let her go. We've chosen to do it on a relatively good day because that hopefully means that the last thing she will feel is love 💖 and that is so much better than the last thing she feels being pain. I struggled with the decision so much but I have seen the day too late with my rainbow bridge cat who had lymphoma who went from jumping on the kitchen side to black sick and laying down not moving much in a matter of hours. We didn't know how to make the decision back then because we had 4 months to learn everything between adoption of our first (supposedly healthy supposedly young) cat who we found out was very poorly and very old very soon after adoption. we wanted to give him every chance but unfortunately it was a moment too late when it came to the saying 'better a week too soon than a minute too late'. I understand that saying now and I accept that this is terminal, we are out of options, the bad days are starting to outweigh the good and I've seen the bad days and I love her far too much to let her have any more. I cannot save her but I can save her from having any more bad days and make it so the last thing she feels is love. I have had a weekend of clarity where I understand it hurts so much because i love her so much and we have such an incredible bond that we crammed a lifetime of love and joy and memories into a few short months and that is truly incredible. We have an appointment booked for tomorrow at 10:30 😢 due to covid we cannot go in with her and we cannot bring her body home to fluffy since we want to have her cremated. This really upsets me as its something I really wanted to do. However the vet has said even though we cannot enter the building fluffy can go in with her for the appointment.
This brings me to fluffy, medical ailments have been excluded and she has started grieving as she knows what is happening because these two are so in tune and so closely bonded. She will likely be a piggy that acutely pines which considering the covid situation is a bit of a nightmare as its going to be a while before i can get her in for dating. She also has a history of fear aggression to further complicate any future bondings and had a fallout with my other two piggies previously which was so bad even being neighbours with them leads her to stop eating. Please any advice on pining when finding a new friend is restricted until after lockdown would be very helpful!
And please wish us luck as we make this incredibly hard last journey. This will be our first piggy loss. I am heartbroken, my children are heartbroken and fluffy is heartbroken but we are so incredibly lucky to have had such amazing love that it hurts this much because in the end grief is love.
 
Oh blimey. My heart goes out to you. I know tomorrow is going to be a bitterly difficult day for you, but it’s definitely the right decision. It’s just so hard making that decision for them. And then the whole Covid 19 situation makes it even harder as you can’t go in with them. Huge hugs xx
As for Fluffy, have a good read of the guide for bereaved piggies. Keep something with Princess’s smell for her to cuddle up to and reassure her. And just give her loads of attention until the lockdown is over and she can go dating again. Looking After A Bereaved Guinea Pig
 
The thread that I never wanted to post.
I posted last week that I believed to have a mystery illness sweeping my piggies, as it turns out it was 3 seperate badly timed! issues which lead 3 piggies out of 4 to stop eating around the same time. Marshmallows was completely unrelated and she thankfully perked up very quickly!
Princess my palliative piggy with an inoperable abdominal tumour it turned out to sadly be that her tumour had rapidly grown causing a rather sudden decline and is now occupying a large amount of her abdominal cavity meaning she can't eat as much as there is not as much room for food. The vet said there is no more treatment or no more medicine available to help her and she is sadly loosing quality of life so urged us to take a few days to think this over and love her then consider euthanasia and had it been one of her piggies she would have already called it. We are so blessed that we have had her in our lives for 8 and a half wonderful months since adoption. We love her so very much, too much to ever let her suffer and if this thing grows any more and causes a blockage that will be excruciating for her and we've managed her pain up to now but it is at a point where there is no more we can do and must make the heartbreaking decision to let her go. We've chosen to do it on a relatively good day because that hopefully means that the last thing she will feel is love 💖 and that is so much better than the last thing she feels being pain. I struggled with the decision so much but I have seen the day too late with my rainbow bridge cat who had lymphoma who went from jumping on the kitchen side to black sick and laying down not moving much in a matter of hours. We didn't know how to make the decision back then because we had 4 months to learn everything between adoption of our first (supposedly healthy supposedly young) cat who we found out was very poorly and very old very soon after adoption. we wanted to give him every chance but unfortunately it was a moment too late when it came to the saying 'better a week too soon than a minute too late'. I understand that saying now and I accept that this is terminal, we are out of options, the bad days are starting to outweigh the good and I've seen the bad days and I love her far too much to let her have any more. I cannot save her but I can save her from having any more bad days and make it so the last thing she feels is love. I have had a weekend of clarity where I understand it hurts so much because i love her so much and we have such an incredible bond that we crammed a lifetime of love and joy and memories into a few short months and that is truly incredible. We have an appointment booked for tomorrow at 10:30 😢 due to covid we cannot go in with her and we cannot bring her body home to fluffy since we want to have her cremated. This really upsets me as its something I really wanted to do. However the vet has said even though we cannot enter the building fluffy can go in with her for the appointment.
This brings me to fluffy, medical ailments have been excluded and she has started grieving as she knows what is happening because these two are so in tune and so closely bonded. She will likely be a piggy that acutely pines which considering the covid situation is a bit of a nightmare as its going to be a while before i can get her in for dating. She also has a history of fear aggression to further complicate any future bondings and had a fallout with my other two piggies previously which was so bad even being neighbours with them leads her to stop eating. Please any advice on pining when finding a new friend is restricted until after lockdown would be very helpful!
And please wish us luck as we make this incredibly hard last journey. This will be our first piggy loss. I am heartbroken, my children are heartbroken and fluffy is heartbroken but we are so incredibly lucky to have had such amazing love that it hurts this much because in the end grief is love.

BIG HUGS

I am very sorry but glad that the problems are not connected.

As to Fluffy, please speak to Sue from Cavy Corner in Doncaster; that is by far the best place to work out a solution re. Fluffy. You will be in the safest and most experienced hands in your area. Acute pining (if it happens) is a potentially life threatening emergency.

Here are our human grieving (including advice and resources for children of various ages) and piggy bereavement guides (includes link to recommended rescues for contacts). The third guide is about caring for a terminally ill piggy, euthanasia/pts and all the ethical and practical aspects involved. I hope that you will find them helpful in difficult days ahead.

Looking After a Bereaved Guinea Pig
Human Bereavement: Grieving, Coping and Support Links for Guinea Pig Owners and Their Children
A Practical and Sensitive Guide to Dying, Terminal Illness and Euthanasia in Guinea Pigs

Thinking of you tomorrow. It is the right decision.
 
Thankyou 💖 I have just had a good read of alll the guides, I have read them previously to try and prepare but nothing could've prepared me for it happening during lockdown! I am very worried about how fluffy will take it, every time we have needed to reevaluate pain relief or there has been any sort of problem it has been fluffy who has first alerted us to it! They are just so closely bonded and it is beautiful yet heartbreaking. Last week when princess took the big downward spiral fluffy had a total loss of appetite at one point too and I had to fight for every drop of recovery food. This scares me but I am hoping she will have had the time to work through some of her own grieving the way we have 🤞 How amazing that two piggies who both had trouble bonding became this closely bonded 💖 it is thanks to this forum and most of all the wonderful Barbara at barc who trusted me to slow bond them at home even though id never even heard of a slow bond let alone done one when fluffy was still a bit off it from her spay and I didn't want to leave her for weeks while she wasn't fully 100% and it was clear they were both going to need to take it slow that their amazing friendship exists and that we were lucky enough to have her in our family. I can't thank you enough 💖
 
Thankyou for the hugs too, I could definitely use some socially distanced hugs right now!
 
Sending you loads of socially distanced hugs! I am so sorry this is happening at such a horrible time. Letting a much loved piggy go is never easy but right now it must be 100 times worse. I hope Fluffy is okay, she may surprise you, Peanut certainly did me when we had to let his life time (5 years) soul mate Spike go in December. I will be thinking of you tomorrow. Xx
 
I’m so sorry, so much going on for you and I’m at a loss for words. You’re handling it brilliantly and I hope your piggies know how much you love them x
 
Oh bless you! what a sad time you are having. I’ll be thinking of you and Princess this morning. You are making the right choice for her, it’s heartbreaking but if her bad days are becoming more than her good days then it’s really the kindest thing you can do for her. Although you’ve only had her a short time, you will have imprinted her little heart with love and happiness and she will have known just how much you all cared for her

I’m so sorry x
 
Thankyou everybody, they said she went peacefully and that she was ready 💖 they let fluffy have a sniff and she gave her a nuzzle and she knew she was gone then turned around and ate some hay so they brought us fluffy back out. We all went in the car so we could say 'I love you' for the last time in the car park 💖 thankyou all for the support xx
 
BIG HUGS

I am keeping my fingers crossed that Fluffy is hanging in there!
 
I'm so sorry for your loss. 😭 Big hugs to you, your family and of course Fluffy. :hug:

Popcorn free Princess. 🌈
 
BIG HUGS

I am keeping my fingers crossed that Fluffy is hanging in there!
Thankyou she looks a little lost and sulky but she is eating thankfully 💖 I can't decide if to try neighbouring her with the others after a couple of days, both her and nugget were hormonal divas at the time of falling out and both have since been spayed, I don't think they'll ever go back together but they may at least be neighbours until fluffy can go dating and that may be better than nothing? It's funny because fluffy is a naturally skittish piggy, but she snuggled into me today as if she knew we needed each other right now.

What has also surprised me is that the last time I had to make this decision I felt only guilt and grief. This time as well as the natural guilt that will always accompany this kind of decision and the strong grief that comes with loosing any loved family member I also feel so much peace that we made this decision when she told us she was ready to go 💖 and she did tell me and this time I knew to listen to her and where as I previously didn't know how to make this kind of decision I realise now that it is a decision made from love when you have tried everything and nothing more can be done. I am lucky that I had a vet who was open and honest with me at every stage of the illness. I am lucky that I had support and most of all I am lucky that I had her 💖
 
Thankyou she looks a little lost and sulky but she is eating thankfully 💖 I can't decide if to try neighbouring her with the others after a couple of days, both her and nugget were hormonal divas at the time of falling out and both have since been spayed, I don't think they'll ever go back together but they may at least be neighbours until fluffy can go dating and that may be better than nothing? It's funny because fluffy is a naturally skittish piggy, but she snuggled into me today as if she knew we needed each other right now.

What has also surprised me is that the last time I had to make this decision I felt only guilt and grief. This time as well as the natural guilt that will always accompany this kind of decision and the strong grief that comes with loosing any loved family member I also feel so much peace that we made this decision when she told us she was ready to go 💖 and she did tell me and this time I knew to listen to her and where as I previously didn't know how to make this kind of decision I realise now that it is a decision made from love when you have tried everything and nothing more can be done. I am lucky that I had a vet who was open and honest with me at every stage of the illness. I am lucky that I had support and most of all I am lucky that I had her 💖

If you have other piggies, please move her next to them now. It doesn't matter whether they are friends or not; it is the feeling of company and the stimulation from others that will go a long way of keeping her going until you can find her a new friend. ;)
 
If you have other piggies, please move her next to them now. It doesn't matter whether they are friends or not; it is the feeling of company and the stimulation from others that will go a long way of keeping her going until you can find her a new friend. ;)
I will do 😊 they haven't previously been able to be neighbours as they would even fight through the bars but like I said they have since been spayed! To neighbour them I willl have to fit the same divide in the cage that I fitted to slow bond fluuffy with Princess 💔 half the cage is 12 square feet will that be OK for 2 piggies as a temporary measure? Xx
 
I will do 😊 they haven't previously been able to be neighbours as they would even fight through the bars but like I said they have since been spayed! To neighbour them I willl have to fit the same divide in the cage that I fitted to slow bond fluuffy with Princess 💔 half the cage is 12 square feet will that be OK for 2 piggies as a temporary measure? Xx

Yes, it will; not being alone is more important that lots of space. You may find that things have changed...
And you can always distance them again if there are real problems, but it will give her something to do that is keeping her from going into a depression.
 
Thankyou I will clean out the half that nugget and marshmallow will be going but leave bedding and Ps tunnel in fluffys half! 🤞🤞🤞

I would rather move Fluffy with her own stuff and something that smells of her friend to snuggle into.

You are not trying to re-bond; just give her a new stimulus.
 
I would rather move Fluffy with her own stuff and something that smells of her friend to snuggle into.

You are not trying to re-bond; just give her a new stimulus.
Thankyou, I'm on it 💖 it is very quiet in this room I think even nugget and marshmallow know something is off 💔
 
Thankyou, I'm on it 💖 it is very quiet in this room I think even nugget and marshmallow know something is off 💔

Piggies are very aware of a loss in their neighbourhood.

They come from a wild background where small core groups live relatively closely together and move as a herd to and from their feeding grounds. Even though they have been bred out and domesticated for thousands of years, this communal feeling is still very strong as I find with my own piggies, who comprehend themselves as a herd with neighbouring sub-groups in their own little territories.

The silence after a loss is hard to bear; but on the other hand it is a mark of respect that the piggies are exhibiting. Their social life is much more complex and deeper than we would expect. ;)
 
Piggies are very aware of a loss in their neighbourhood.

They come from a wild background where small core groups live relatively closely together and move as a herd to and from their feeding grounds. Even though they have been bred out and domesticated for thousands of years, this communal feeling is still very strong, as I find with my own piggies, who see themselves as a herd with neighbouring sub-groups in their own little territories.

The silence after a loss is hard to bear; but on the other hand it is a mark of respect that the piggies are exhibiting. Their social life is much more complex and deeper than we would expect. ;)
They are neighboured (I had to use p and fs cage as the divide didn't fit in nuggets)
Colour me surprised they are interacting and not chattering, some strutting though 🙈
 
They are neighboured (I had to use p and fs cage as the divide didn't fit in nuggets)
Colour me surprised they are interacting and not chattering, some strutting though 🙈

The old rivalry and territory marking are still alive if now more muted. Nevertheless it is giving Fluffy something to do and something else to think about so you don't have to worry about acute pining. Which is the whole aim of the exercise. :tu:
 
It is also giving you something constructive to do and watch. It can't take away the pain of your loss, but it can ease some of your other worries and help make you feel a little bit better in yourself. ;)
 
The old rivalry and territory marking are still alive if now more muted. Nevertheless it is giving Fluffy something to do and something else to think about so you don't have to worry about acute pining. Which is the whole aim of the exercise. :tu:
Yes they were actually kissing her, maybe they are trying to comfort her because despite old rivalry and the fact they have no desire to live together they recognise it is a loss of one of their own 💖
 
I'm pleased to hear Fluffy is settling in with her next door neighbours. At least she knows she is not totally alone.
 
But it is good that they have said hello to each other.

Don't however be fooled though if they start lying next to each other across the grids. It is what I call a 'power lie-in' to demarkate the edge of their respective territories. Rather the equivalent of the border sign 'You are entering XY country now. Illegal immigrants with be immediately deported.'

Friendly company sleep-ins are usually accompanied by lots of other friendly overture signals.

The rumble-strutting means that they are measuring up against each other in terms of hierarchy, so there are definitely some old and not yet fully forgotten grudges there... In boars this is the behaviour how they establish a herd hierarchy amongst themselves without the need to fight. My Tribe boars know exactly where they stand in relation to each other right through the bars.
 
But it is good that they have said hello to each other.

Don't however be fooled though if they start lying next to each other across the grids. It is what I call a 'power lie-in' to demarkate the edge of their respective territories. Rather the equivalent of the border sign 'You are entering XY country now. Illegal immigrants with be immediately deported.'

Friendly company sleep-ins are usually accompanied by lots of other friendly overture signals.

The rumble-strutting means that they are measuring up against each other in terms of hierarchy, so there are definitely some old and not yet fully forgotten grudges there... In boars is the behaviour how they establish a herd hierarchy amongst themselves without the need to fight. My Tribe boars know exactly where they stand in relation to each other right through the bars.
Oh yes, there was only the initial strutting of where the hell am I from nugget and marshmallow but I knew that friendship was a write off last year 🙈 I am just pleased that they can now be civil through the bars so that I can let fluffy choose her own friend again when these crazy times are over 💖 rublestrutting is much better than their previous history of teeth chattering and lunging at the bars! That would have made a difficult day twice as stressful I think 💖
 
So sorry for your loss. You made the hardest decision any of us make in letting Princess go.
Only love can make that choice.
Be gentle with yourself as you grieve
 
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