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A lot of scratching

Thank you so much I am so upset just having spoken to reception the girl is telling me I must treat the piggy’s every month to prevent mites she said my heaviest piggy requires 5 pipettes of the mini every 2 weeks that would be an unbelievable cost I really don’t know what to do now 😰 I asked her to ask the vet to call me I don’t think she was pleased but I can’t afford this treatment on repeat every 2 weeks 5 pipettes then 4 pipettes each for the other 2 and 3 pippets for my lowest weighing pig I’m sorry I’m lost here
 
So overall I’m stuck here waiting for the vet to call me which might not be today the pigs weights are 730g 975g 986g 1103g and she says to treat them every month after the 2 week gap 3 3 times treatment what a mess this is :( I’m sorry to bring this to you
 
Not correct to need to treat them every month. Prevention is not needed. You only need to treat an active infestation. Overuse can lead to resistance.
I have never preventatively treated in 30+ years of small animal owning, and I think you would be hard pushed to find any of the long term owners on here who preventatively treat.

We aren’t vets and can only speak from personal experience but i don’t think the three biggest need the mini, I think they need part portions of the 450. Your smallest piggy would be ok with mini given she is below 800g.

Wait and see what the vet says when they ring you back, but do you have any other vet practices you can go to?
is your vet one on our list?
 
A course of treatment is three separate treatments per piggy over the course of six weeks. first treatment kills the mites but not the eggs. Two weeks later you do the second treatment which kills the mites that were eggs at the first treatment. Two weeks later you do the third treatment which kills any stragglers.
That, along with thorough cleaning, and ideally changing your hay source given they are likely to be coming in on hay, should be enough to cure it. (That doesn’t mean they will not get mites again though).

If your vet is adamant you need to use the mini 50 at 5, 4 and 3 pipettes per piggy per treatment then to complete the full six week course:
your biggest pig is going to need a total of 15 pipettes
32 pipettes in total for your two middle weight piggies
9 pipettes in total for your smallest piggy.
A total of 56 pipettes will be needed. This means you would need to buy 7 boxes of the mini to treat them all. That comes to over £200 to buy from Amazon.
 
My vets is Conanvet limited Scotland highlands I’m not sure it’s on there. Yes I get what you mean I really don’t know how to go forward with this I hope my partner can help me figure out how to use the 450 correctly by calculating their weight
 
The vet said she wants to see marsh seeing as that’s the piggy I have found something on and I could use the 450 for my heaviest pig I don’t know what to do anymore she said I need to wash everything clothes etc and the other 3 pigs will need the mini Zeno but I can’t order anything until after Saturday when she sees marsh I also risk ruining all my liners on a 60 degree wash and I am now in a position where I might have to put the pigs up for adoption 😢😢😢 my children will be heartbroken but this cost is going to be horrendous just before Xmas too I feel heartbroken myself it’s actually making my mental health poorly now sorry everyone in a really bad place right now I just don’t know what to do if this problem was to keep re occurring and have no option but to continue with pets at home hay financially
 
The vet said she wants to see marsh seeing as that’s the piggy I have found something on and I could use the 450 for my heaviest pig I don’t know what to do anymore she said I need to wash everything clothes etc and the other 3 pigs will need the mini Zeno but I can’t order anything until after Saturday when she sees marsh I also risk ruining all my liners on a 60 degree wash and I am now in a position where I might have to put the pigs up for adoption 😢😢😢 my children will be heartbroken but this cost is going to be horrendous just before Xmas too I feel heartbroken myself it’s actually making my mental health poorly now sorry everyone in a really bad place right now I just don’t know what to do if this problem was to keep re occurring and have no option but to continue with pets at home hay financially

I really feel for you and am sending you huge hugs.

Unfortunately all we can do is give you the tried and tested advice - wash at 60, F10 everything, throw out the hay you currently hay, along with a proper course of treatment
 
Thank you for all your help I really mean that ❤️ I am washing what I can for now I’m just scared the mites might have made it upstairs in our cupboards and beds etc through clothes that have been hanging downstairs or anywhere in living room with pigs :( I have a blanket over their new hay in a plastic box is it ok to seal the box with the plastic lid or best to keep the blanket over it’s usually kept beside cage covered with some blanket I’m worried incase there more mites everytime I get hay now can they climb out the box and get around the house :( pets at home said to check my arm pits and ankle for bites I’m so worried they will be in my hair now as I’m always bending under the cage my hair had touched thier beds a few times where they were hanging 😰🤷‍♀️x
 
Thank you for all your help I really mean that ❤️ I am washing what I can for now I’m just scared the mites might have made it upstairs in our cupboards and beds etc through clothes that have been hanging downstairs or anywhere in living room with pigs :( I have a blanket over their new hay in a plastic box is it ok to seal the box with the plastic lid or best to keep the blanket over it’s usually kept beside cage covered with some blanket I’m worried incase there more mites everytime I get hay now can they climb out the box and get around the house :( pets at home said to check my arm pits and ankle for bites I’m so worried they will be in my hair now as I’m always bending under the cage my hair had touched thier beds a few times where they were hanging 😰🤷‍♀️x

Hay mites aren’t going to cause you or your family problems. They want the piggies hair to lay eggs in, not you or anything in your household
I'm linking in this recent thread where our resident bug expert, PigglePuggle, has given useful information explaining - her reply is at post number 3 of this thread
Biting me but not my piglets?

Is this a brand new bag of hay?
 
Thank you! This is a new bag I gott yesterday disinfected hay box and put fresh blanket over I’m worried if I apply plastic lid it will cut of oxygen for hay to breath? I am tumble drying clothes just incase thank you so much for your help x
 
Thank you! This is a new bag I gott yesterday disinfected hay box and put fresh blanket over I’m worried if I apply plastic lid it will cut of oxygen for hay to breath? I am tumble drying clothes just incase thank you so much for your help x

it should be fine in a plastic box indoors.
In hot weather then being in a sealed plastic box or if in sunlight etc does mean it can sweat and then go has the potential to go mouldy
 
Please don’t worry about mites spreading throughout your home or to you. They are species specific. We’ve had mites on piggies in this house on many occasions and never have they spread to us or infested the house.
 
Please don’t stress. My piggies have had mites three times. I have never had any bites. Or any issues AT ALL.

Here is the medicine sheet that came with Xeno450.

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I had a smaller piggy and the vet said give 15 drops from the pipette. When I got to about 13 drops there was none left. I totally panicked. Obviously my drops were too big and he’d had the whole 20 drops. I called the vets and they said don’t worry it will be fine. I think he was about 850g at the time.

I’d just use the Xeno450 and get your vets to work out the drops the small ones need. Any pig over 1.2kg can have a whole one.
 
Thank you for all your help I really mean that ❤️ I am washing what I can for now I’m just scared the mites might have made it upstairs in our cupboards and beds etc through clothes that have been hanging downstairs or anywhere in living room with pigs :( I have a blanket over their new hay in a plastic box is it ok to seal the box with the plastic lid or best to keep the blanket over it’s usually kept beside cage covered with some blanket I’m worried incase there more mites everytime I get hay now can they climb out the box and get around the house :( pets at home said to check my arm pits and ankle for bites I’m so worried they will be in my hair now as I’m always bending under the cage my hair had touched thier beds a few times where they were hanging 😰🤷‍♀️x
I know it's easier said than done, but please try not to panic.
And please try not to listen to Pets at Home.
Most of the the staff there (there are exceptions) have the most basic training in animals like guinea pigs, and really have no idea.

The mites from your guinea pigs can not live on you.
They will not bite you or live in your hair or armpits.
They will not infest (or even survive) in your cupboards or beds.
They pose no risk to you or your children.

The best thing you can do is find a piggy savvy vet who can give you proper advice.
Although the reality is that this will come at a price, and this is something you need to be prepared for in the future.
It is important to be honest with yourself about possible ongoing costs and the stress this will place on you financially and emotionally too.

You are clearly a dedicated owner who is doing a great job and being hindered by some less than ideal advice.
We are here to support you whatever you choose to do.
 
Thank you all so much for all the support it really has helped me today I can’t thank you enough this is an amazing forum with some really helpful kind people on here won’t forget this ❤️ My partner worked our weights and xeno 450 drops as far as we can work out I will attach a picture. The vet said 15 drops for Dolores my biggest piggy who is 1100g but as you can see on our calculation this doesn’t seem right I’m taking one of the piggy’s in on Saturday morning they said they will do almost like a sellotape sample from the hair/skin to determine exact diagnosis for best treatment overall saving money hopefully and of course eradicating the issue I just hope this won’t be a huge on going problem thank you all so much for everything I have hoovered and cleaned what I can and will keep doing so might take a week for the treatment the time I get the go ahead from vet poor piggy’s are scratching like mad! The vet sounded a little weirded out at the thought of my longest haired piggy having a trim but I can see lots of what looks like egg casings in her hair and she’s been struggling to clean her behind for a while lots of pee and poo stains I just feel bad shaving her 🙁 thanks so much again. Thoughts on Zeno 450 treatment please for all 4 piggy’s ranging 730g - 1100g
 

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Hey guys just preparing for vet visit and treatment procedure I haven’t taken our current liner out for a week now not sure when is best to as I’m waiting on guaranteed diagnosis and treatment can I please ask…

When is best to remove current liner and go in and blitz cage now or once treatment has been applied? (bearing in mind treatment could be next week the time I get it if I’m ordering online)

Also how often would you be cleaning thier cage and beds etc while treatment is on in between the beginning and end approx 8 weeks will be 2 weeks after last treatment at six weeks I'm hoping things be cleared up I have chucked everything wooden and only kept washable items I feel awful they just have a cage 2 litter boxes and 4 cosy tunnels just now 😩

No idea which f10 you guys would recommend? Apologies for the essay! Hope you are all super well and all your piggy’s are healthy and happy ❤️
 

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I would change bedding now if you haven’t done so for a week, just for the sake of normal cage hygiene.
You can clean the cage a couple of days after each treatment is applied (as well as keeping up with normal cage cleaning routine during treatment).

It’s a shame you’ve thrown the wooden items away - you didn’t need to.
If possible, I would get them out of your bins, pop them outside in a bag or in a shed, and leave them there for now. Once you get the F10, then soak the wooden items in a bucket/container in the diluted F10 solution for a few hours, pop them out to dry and then once the course of treatment is completed they can be given back to the piggies. I wouldn’t give the wooden items back to them before they are through the full course of treatment otherwise you will end up having to soak them repeatedly over the next few weeks.

The bottom one, the 200ml for £22.99 is the one I use. As it’s the concentrate it lasts such a long time as you only use a small amount at a time. All you need to do is squeeze the right amount of concentrate into small compartment (at the top left on the picture) and then pour it out into a spray bottle or bucket. Then add the right amount of water to dilute it. The dilution instructions are on the back of the bottle - you use a weaker amount for general cleaning and a higher concentration for cleaning during times such as these when you are dealing with mites or fungal for example.
If you’ve measured into a bucket for example, you can then pour it the diluted solution into a spray bottle to use to clean the cage. (and make some up in a bucket/container to soak the wooden items in.)
Once you have the diluted solution made up in a spray bottle, it lasts months.

The top picture is already diluted so easier to use, but won’t last as long and works out much more expensive than the concentrate.
The middle picture says it is avian disinfectant (so for birds)
 
Ok - I'm a bit late to this party but I'll weigh in too 😅
You've most likely got mites or lice and you won't get any problems with these passing onto you or your family. They live on pigs. You'll feel itchy because you're thinking about critters and sometimes people are a little sensitive to hay generally without actually being allergic so you can brush hay off you and think, "Oh no! I'm itchy!" but it's not mites - I'd have been eaten to the bone by now if it was! Never had a bite yet - and trust me, I'm delicious 😉

EACH PIG needs treating 3 times two weeks apart as Piggies&Buns said above. When I had 4 it felt pricey! How many do you have? I've only ever had adults so only ever used the xeno-450. I box=6 pipettes= 3treatments for two piggies. About £25 per box so it was just over £50 to treat 4. Not every pig in the past has been 1.2 kilo but they've been no smaller than 1 kilo. I also tried to count drops - failed - panicked about overdosing and actually there was no problems. But a more reliable way we found was is to get a 1ml syringe and suck up a pipette and work from there with the maths. So full pipette for 1.2kilo and if piggy was only 1 kilo she should have had 5/6ths of that... she wriggled, I splurged, she got the lot but it ended up fine - no ill effects, as did the fatter one who freaked at the last minute and I bet I had half of it up my arm and was trying to scrape it off and rub it back onto her. Wash hands well after treating!

Ivermectin soaks into the skin and goes round the piggy system so it'll be merrily killing critters for a few days after and then slowly starts to wear off. I treat mine and 'blitz' the cages a day or so after treatment. I actually don't use F10 (although it is a good investment) as we have the plastic tray type of cage but they get HOT showered and scrubbed out with white vinegar (to dissolve the crusty pee bits). I wash fleeces at 40 - we have two sets so I reckon that after washing, drying and sitting around not near any pigs for 5ish days anything that might have survived on there would have died off without it's regular piggy meal. I bin the cardboard and sometimes put stuff in the freezer for a few days if I'm attached to it (which is how we deal with clothes moths too!) but any wooden houses etc have in the past been relegated to the garden or put out of the way for a month or so. You could try putting wooden things in the oven at min 60degC for a few hours - don't go over 100 - but obvs not fleeces which will melt! Any cotton stuff (we have one or two mats) could also be hot washed or tumbled after. We tend not to have wood in the enclosure now - I just cut cardboard boxes into interesting shapes. I don't clean the cages any more often between treatments - anything that hatches out can just die the next time round. In theory two treatments could sort it but the third is a belt and braces - and cheaper than having to repeat the whole fandango a few months later!

I don't cut hair for mites or lice. They need to feed off the piggy skin anyway so you'd have to pretty much shave 'them bald and you would NOT be popular. I DO clipper my long-haired girl all over anyway for comfort and convenience (which makes piggy daddy most upset) but nobody wants to be dragging soggy wee pants behind them when the front end is trying to look pretty. But it's not the fur that's the problem really - it's just getting the xeno onto the skin so it can soak in. I put it on the bald bits behind the ears, dotted into rosettes, and finish with spots along the spine where it's easier to lift the fur.
Louise can keep herself cleaner with shorter fur - no doubt about it - and she's certainly livelier when she's not blindly running about. But I didn't clipper her when we were last treated for mites. I just did it for the heatwave, and then again more recently when she ran into a wall in a flap! And don't do the face because they need those whiskers and eyebrows for navigation. This is our Louise - delightfully fluffy but she can't see what's in front of her!
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Deep breaths and good luck. It's a faff and not cheap but not a disaster and they're not in pain, just a bit itchy and annoyed. And if anypig has any as yet undetected lice infestations too the xeno will deal with the lot and then you should have a lot less shed hair bunging up your washing machine and that's win-win in my book 👍
 
Wow thank you both so much for your effort and detail and support I wouldn’t have managed through this without you guys thank you 🙏 ahh Louise is just beautiful! Yes I have 4 female piggy’s and yes marshmallow gets so dirty with wee and poops I do feel bad but she needs a wee shave she’s not managing to clean that far back thank you for the uplifting messages really appreciate it guys ❤️❤️
 
My partner did not believe me that Louise was real in that one above shaved one 😂😂😂 I definitely think Louise must appreciate the clipping even if daddy piggy doesn’t lol she looks so different shaved very cute in both but I can imagine life’s easier with the trim lol thanks so much for your replies 😊❤️❤️🙏
 
Marshy before and after doesn’t seem long at all now compared to Louise 😂
 

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If you have a second person available, it's helpful for applying the ivermectin. One person holds/comforts/distracts piggy, and the other person parts the fur and droppers on the medication. Particularly wriggly ones may need food distraction.
 
Hi guys we just seen the vet and this is what is on marshy 🤢 I got Zeno 450 starting treatment today 😰 the vet said he is unsure which type of mite this is though 😩 I’m hoping hay because there is no broken skin and they are attached to her hair strands 😣
 
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