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Xeno 450 Application

Olala1982

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Hello-I have a general question with regards to Xeno 450 and 50. I need to treat both of my guinea pigs with that and I have just read the leaflet and it says to put it at the back of their necks and down the spine. Does anybody know if it is OK to apply it down their spines as I am worried that they will get ill if they lick it off and digest it? I would really appreciate your help and suggestions.

P.S.
Can I treat my adult guinea pig which weighs 900g with Xeno 450 (it states that it should be used on guinea pigs over 1200g) or still apply Xeno 50?

Thanks
 
Hello-I have a general question with regards to Xeno 450 and 50. I need to treat both of my guinea pigs with that and I have just read the leaflet and it says to put it at the back of their necks and down the spine. Does anybody know if it is OK to apply it down their spines as I am worried that they will get ill if they lick it off and digest it? I would really appreciate your help and suggestions.

P.S.
Can I treat my adult guinea pig which weighs 900g with Xeno 450 (it states that it should be used on guinea pigs over 1200g) or still apply Xeno 50?

Thanks

Hi and welcome

Has a vet prescribed the xeno for mange mites or are you self-diagnosing? A vet would have certainly given you the appropriate product and explained application and individual dosage to you if you are indeed dealing with either mange or hay mites. What are you dealing with? We see plenty of wrong diagnoses and treatment, which usually ends up in paying a lot more in the end when a vet is finally seen over an advanced case. Fungal infections can look rather similar at first, but require different treatment.

Xeno 50 is usually given to guinea pigs up to 800g - the amount depends on the individual weight. A piggy under 800g will not require a full pipette. Xeno 450 is for piggies over 1200g. There is nothing for the gap. You can give a bit more of one xeno50 pipette with the consent of the treating vet.

Please be aware that a full mites course consists of three applications at the specified interval. Ivermectin (the active ingredient) can be given topically (on the skin), orally or by injection. it is not harmful when ingested.
 
Thank you for your reply I am really grateful for your detailed explanation. Yes, I have been to the vet and the lady said that my 2guinea pigs most provably have mites(she did not specify what type it was). I got my guinea pigs from a rescue place. When I was picking them up 3 weeks ago the owner said that the 9month old one has got some hair loss and because he is a teddy he might suffer from skin problems. The baby, who is a lemon agouti, seemed to be OK so I said I will take them both and see how it goes. After a week they were scratching like mad so I took them to the vet. She applied Xeno450 and said that if it doesn't stop the itch I need to bring them back in 2weeks time. In the meantime I noticed the baby has some raised greyish and crusty bumps on his sides, rump and the legs, which he seems to nip and scratch a lot. I have bought some products from the gorgeous guineas and gave them a bath but they still scratch. I have decided to buy Xeno 450 and 50 myself and will apply a second dose myself as it is cheaper if I do it myself. However, I have booked an appointment with our vet as I am thinking that the baby might have a fungal infection or ringworm. I am just not sure if it is hay or mange mites, fungus or ringworm.
 
Thank you for your reply I am really grateful for your detailed explanation. Yes, I have been to the vet and the lady said that my 2guinea pigs most provably have mites(she did not specify what type it was). I got my guinea pigs from a rescue place. When I was picking them up 3 weeks ago the owner said that the 9month old one has got some hair loss and because he is a teddy he might suffer from skin problems. The baby, who is a lemon agouti, seemed to be OK so I said I will take them both and see how it goes. After a week they were scratching like mad so I took them to the vet. She applied Xeno450 and said that if it doesn't stop the itch I need to bring them back in 2weeks time. In the meantime I noticed the baby has some raised greyish and crusty bumps on his sides, rump and the legs, which he seems to nip and scratch a lot. I have bought some products from the gorgeous guineas and gave them a bath but they still scratch. I have decided to buy Xeno 450 and 50 myself and will apply a second dose myself as it is cheaper if I do it myself. However, I have booked an appointment with our vet as I am thinking that the baby might have a fungal infection or ringworm. I am just not sure if it is hay or mange mites, fungus or ringworm.

Please have them vet checked again, but continue with the mites treatment nevertheless to make sure that they have the full three rounds. The dead skin in mange mites can create small greyish scales and the bumps that you can feel can be egg cases in the skin.
Generally with a mange mites outbreak, you see bald/thinned hair areas on the back, very vigorous scratching and even biting of the back. Initially just after the first treatment, the discomfort is getting worse as the mites react, but it should calm down noticeably but often not completely after two days but then pick up gradually again. Any itching should stop about 2 days after the second round. A third round is necessary to catch any straggler and prevent a comeback. In severe cases (with fitting), more rounds may be necessary. Please be careful when applying baths or any skin treatment while treating for mites as it can trigger fitting, which is very hard on the heart. Ideally you wait with a bath until after you are given the all clear.
Here is our recommended vets locator from the top bar if you are not sure just how piggy savvy your current bets are: Guinea Pig Vet Locator

This here is our ringworm guide: Ringworm: Hygiene And Pictures
Please do not treat on spec. You have to also be aware that you have to wait at least 48 hours in between any topical (on the skin) application to allow the previous one to be fully absorbed and do its work.

Sadly anybody can call themselves a rescue or a breeder without licensing and a control system in place, and the results can according. We have also got a rescue locator of those rescues that practise mandatory quarantine/medical care, a pregnancy watch, so only healthy, properly sexed and guaranteed not pregnant piggies are being put up for adoption. Theses rescues also carefully personality match piggies and they are not hidden breeders' outlets in order to make sure that our members that are willing to go rescue don't have any unpleasant surprises. :(
A good way to distinguish a bad from a good rescue is that good rescues will not rehome piggies with bald patches. You will also be informed if there has been an initial skin problem or medical issue that has been safely cleared before a piggy has been put up for adoption.
 
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View attachment 77827 View attachment 77828 View attachment 77829Those are the snapshots of the wounds...maybe you have seen something similar before.

It is not quite possible for me to tell whether that is mange mites or fungal; best have it seen and reassessed by a vet again. The wounds can apply to either! We cannot and are legally not allowed to diagnose online without a hands-on examination. What we can help you with is tell you when you should see your vet and what potential avenues you can pursue with them.

Ringworm is just the most aggressive and transmittable form of a number of fungal infections.
 
I agree with all @Wiebke has said above. Please can we ask you to let us know where the piggies came from?
 
They came from Tameside Rabbit and Guinea Pig Rescue-the lady said that Lenny (the adult piggie with some hair loss on his back) was good to go as she treated him with some spray and the hair was slowly growing back. Kyli (the baby guinea pig) was spot on too...I mean his coat was immaculate but saying that I have not checked his skin though. They were very shy for a day or two and constantly hiding away so I only noticed that they were scratching after they came outside from their hideout. I messaged the lady and said that I noticed that they scratch a lot but she said they should be fine as she sprayed them before they went away with me. I took them to the vet as I noticed tiny brown and static speckles in their hair which looked like dust. It appeared that they had mites and were treated with Xeno 450. Initially they seemed to be better but now Kylo's skin is full of white/greyish raised spots which have been scratched a lot and some yellow crusty flakes coming off near his rump. He seems to have them things all over his body...his lovely hair masks it all really well...I even noticed that grey patch underneath his eye right near his roots. He is booked to be seen by our local vet on Friday as I am worried about the amount of scabs he's got. Tomorrow I am going to apply a second dose of Xeno 50 and hopefully that will help (if it is mites he suffera from). Lenny's fur is growing back but when I stroke him on that bold patch he turns his head and wants to scratch it. I hope the vet is going to help us as I am quite down because I do not know if it is mange mites or is it because of the hay or stress or they already had something before I adopted them. Not surw but all I know is that I am going to the vet's on Friday.
 
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