COVID-19 What do people think about the lockdown restrictions being eased?

valsie said:
I think it is still too soon. Our mortality numbers are horrendous and we were too slow with lockdown. Boris should stick to his guns and not lift restrictions before it is safe to do so. Many people seem to have decided to come out of lockdown now anyway so perhaps we need even stricter measures.
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I think this is the problem, it's not the government. Their mistake was trusting us to do the right thing. When they were telling us not to go anywhere that wasn't necessary and everyone carried on with business as usual. I think they tried to give us the opportunity to not have a lockdown but we couldn't manage without being forced and threatened with fines
 
Whatever the government does won’t be enough. They’ll complain regardless so I think they should do what they think is right. And yes, some people have been lax when it comes to the lockdown. It’s funny how many don’t seem to care about the social distancing in shops now 😬
 
I'm feeling more positive about things today. I feel like there has been mixed messages so far from the Government & some people are still continuing to do what they want anyway which doesn't help. If Government would have said dance naked in the street everyone would have stayed in!

I don't want lockdown to end, with the amount of deaths still as it is & 5000 new cases (I think) yesterday, numbers are still too high. Even if they are coming down gradually, why encourage them to sky rocket again in a second wave.

Until I have to go anywhere (back to work) I won't be changing what I have been doing so far. I do think it's rubbish timing for the announcement... lovely weather & a bank holiday! I will wait & see.
 
Lady Kelly said:
I think this is the problem, it's not the government. Their mistake was trusting us to do the right thing. When they were telling us not to go anywhere that wasn't necessary and everyone carried on with business as usual. I think they tried to give us the opportunity to not have a lockdown but we couldn't manage without being forced and threatened with fines
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Yes, I agree. I think they shouldn't have used words like 'you need' to stay at home etc. It should have been 'you HAVE' to stay at home. I don't think they've been forceful enough like in other countries.
 
As someone who works in schools and nurseries mostly with children that have additional needs I can safely say that we cannot enforce social distancing and still do our job if more children return to school it's hard enough with the handful of pupils we have at the moment as many don't understand, forget or stop caring about social distancing when they are having a meltdown. that said schools are a lifeline for many families and we cannot ignore the fact that schools are necessary in identifying child abuse, feeding children in poverty and helping to manage children's emotional and social difficulties and this support is needed more than ever.

Personally I feel that we need to be sensible and things cannot simply return to normal all at once and I don't think we should be talking about garden centres and beer gardens when we are not yet able to support the vulnerable members of our society.
 
So I've just had an interesting moment, my daughter rushed off for a bike ride after my son had seen one of her friends go past our gate ( we do live in a quiet village and we are at the edge) when daughter returned I queried if id heard correctly that my son had seen her friend, yes that was correct, so I then asked if she was still there? My daughter was then really awkward and said she just went for a bike ride, I understand she's desperate to see her friends again but as I pointed out we've been staying home for a reason, turns out it wasn't just one friend it was 3 of them and they most definitely don't live together, she did say she was at a distance but even so, as she said it's not her fault they were allowed to be together but I did have to say that her rushing off to see them was wrong. She's right it's not her fault their parents have disregarded the advice but it's sending the wrong message. 2 out of the 3 don't live in our village so it makes me wonder how they got here? Am I being over sensitive? Should I not worry? I've said I'm disappointed in her choice and explained my reasons, living where we do we are so lucky but it doesn't mean we should disregard everything that's happened in the last week's.
 
Spaghetti & Noodles said:
So I've just had an interesting moment, my daughter rushed off for a bike ride after my son had seen one of her friends go past our gate ( we do live in a quiet village and we are at the edge) when daughter returned I queried if id heard correctly that my son had seen her friend, yes that was correct, so I then asked if she was still there? My daughter was then really awkward and said she just went for a bike ride, I understand she's desperate to see her friends again but as I pointed out we've been staying home for a reason, turns out it wasn't just one friend it was 3 of them and they most definitely don't live together, she did say she was at a distance but even so, as she said it's not her fault they were allowed to be together but I did have to say that her rushing off to see them was wrong. She's right it's not her fault their parents have disregarded the advice but it's sending the wrong message. 2 out of the 3 don't live in our village so it makes me wonder how they got here? Am I being over sensitive? Should I not worry? I've said I'm disappointed in her choice and explained my reasons, living where we do we are so lucky but it doesn't mean we should disregard everything that's happened in the last week's.
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As I said before, I think it's the government not putting the message out there properly. I dont think this is even a proper lockdown. My best friends partner came in my garden yesterday cos his youngest daughter wanted to see me and I asked where the other kids were and he said they were round his nieces. He says he mentioned social distancing to her and she says well I havent had it and nor have you so it's fine.
 
Gem789 said:
As I said before, I think it's the government not putting the message out there properly. I dont think this is even a proper lockdown. My best friends partner came in my garden yesterday cos his youngest daughter wanted to see me and I asked where the other kids were and he said they were round his nieces. He says he mentioned social distancing to her and she says well I havent had it and nor have you so it's fine.
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I think what has made me more annoyed was one of the families in question removed their children from school before lockdown to shield as one parent has had health issues in the past,
I do think there is an element of well "we've not had it and neither have you, so we'll be ok" I am aware the kids need to see their friends but until things are changed I think they were wrong to allow this.
 
Sweet Potato said:
As someone who works in schools and nurseries mostly with children that have additional needs I can safely say that we cannot enforce social distancing and still do our job if more children return to school it's hard enough with the handful of pupils we have at the moment as many don't understand, forget or stop caring about social distancing when they are having a meltdown. that said schools are a lifeline for many families and we cannot ignore the fact that schools are necessary in identifying child abuse, feeding children in poverty and helping to manage children's emotional and social difficulties and this support is needed more than ever.

Personally I feel that we need to be sensible and things cannot simply return to normal all at once and I don't think we should be talking about garden centres and beer gardens when we are not yet able to support the vulnerable members of our society.
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I work in a special needs school too. Many of our children need physical support, intimate care and a high proportion of them have difficulty with changes in routine. A lot of our children come to school on transport. How can you socially distance 10 children on a mini bus?

I completely agree about the necessity of schools regarding vulnerable children. I think it will be a huge challenge for schools like ours to manage this situation.
 
Lady Kelly said:
I think this is the problem, it's not the government. Their mistake was trusting us to do the right thing. When they were telling us not to go anywhere that wasn't necessary and everyone carried on with business as usual. I think they tried to give us the opportunity to not have a lockdown but we couldn't manage without being forced and threatened with fines
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I think too many people were of the mindset "well I'm/we're OK so..."

Even our neighbours still had a mate round to help him build a shelter for his jacuzzi out in his back garden 🙄. And that was a few weeks into the enforced lockdown at the end of March. People didn't seem to realise the rules applied to ALL of us 😠
 
Spaghetti & Noodles said:
I think what has made me more annoyed was one of the families in question removed their children from school before lockdown to shield as one parent has had health issues in the past,
I do think there is an element of well "we've not had it and neither have you, so we'll be ok" I am aware the kids need to see their friends but until things are changed I think they were wrong to allow this.
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When I've been on my daily exercise to the post box to send a postcard to my elderly parents who aren't techno minded, I've seen a group of 5 or 6 teenage lads, maybe age 15 or 16, walking along, smoking something 🤷‍♀️ and chatting like it's just another day off school. Admittedly they crossed the road away from me, but still 😠😲
 
SkyPipDotBernie said:
Presuming this has been made without crafty editing, it probably wouldn't be a bad choice. I'm thinking Germany, nz, or Australia.
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The irony of this is that any of the countries worth going to wouldn't let you in anyway - it's all part of their success.
 
SkyPipDotBernie said:
My wife can get me in with her profession. Or is it not that easy?
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Of course it depends on the country in question, but right now most will only allow either nationals of that particular country who can prove residency, OR those with a genuine reason for going there (proof of a necessary visit for business purposes). When they locked down to prevent the spread of Corona they closed their borders to all but non essential travel.

Longer term your wife might be able to get you in based on your wife's profession, but from what I know about all 3 countries this is highly unlikley these days. It did used to be like that, but if your wife were to apply for residency based on her profession, you would at most be granted a temproary visa and in Aus and NZ you would still need ot have considerable financial means and also a profession that you could prove you could use to support yourself. You would be given a limited amount of time to find a job independent of your wife, and would not be eligible for nay benefits for a while. Not to mention that the professions they accept actually change on a regular basis based on supply and demand - it's a complex and ever changing process.
I am not 100% sure if this is the case with Germany though - I think their rules are a little more flexible, but of course you have the disadvantage of needing to master a basic level of German (assuming you aren't already bilingual of course).
 
Swissgreys said:
Of course it depends on the country in question, but right now most will only allow either nationals of that particular country who can prove residency, OR those with a genuine reason for going there (proof of a necessary visit for business purposes). When they locked down to prevent the spread of Corona they closed their borders to all but non essential travel.

Longer term your wife might be able to get you in based on your wife's profession, but from what I know about all 3 countries this is highly unlikley these days. It did used to be like that, but if your wife were to apply for residency based on her profession, you would at most be granted a temproary visa and in Aus and NZ you would still need ot have considerable financial means and also a profession that you could prove you could use to support yourself. You would be given a limited amount of time to find a job independent of your wife, and would not be eligible for nay benefits for a while. Not to mention that the professions they accept actually change on a regular basis based on supply and demand - it's a complex and ever changing process.
I am not 100% sure if this is the case with Germany though - I think their rules are a little more flexible, but of course you have the disadvantage of needing to master a basic level of German (assuming you aren't already bilingual of course).
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Ok. I never really looked into it, thank you for all the info. Only thing that would keep me here is the vet I use and family at the moment. I tired of the UK, there's a lot worse countries but its just getting worse and worse in UK. In my opinion that is, I don't wish to go any further and cause a debate lol with anyone 👍
 
I personally don't feel we should relax lockdown just yet.
I know it is really difficult. My daughter works in the front line in the NHS, she is living with a fellow nurse at the moment and as much as I can't wait for this to be over so she can move back home. I am worried about a second spike.
I know my daughter and her work colleges have had storages of PPE. I been making washable surgical hats and masks for them to wear.
The rate of deaths is still far to high.
 
So today is the day! My facebook is full of people disgusted with how many people have had street/garden/house parties this weekend. I've seen loads of pictures of these so called parties, no social distancing at all. A house on my street had a party Friday, as I watered the plants that night 30 people must have traipsed out the house - only 4 of them live there!

Feeling deflated, hope Boris doesn't let us down today.
 
Lockdown restrictions really shouldn’t be eased. Virtually nothing has changed since lockdown was initiated.
Schools 100% should not be going back. My mum works in a primary school, she went back last week for a day (as per the rota) and social distancing was poor. Young children don’t understand at all and still try and give hugs. All it takes is for a young child to fall and graze their knee and then a member of staff will have to make contact in order to make sure the child is okay and use first aid kit if necessary. Children who need to tell the teacher if somethings happened won’t be able to due to distancing, children who need to give work to the teacher to be marked also won’t be able to. Schools are too full and classrooms are too small to accommodate for distance between individual desks.
I know education is important, but it would make more sense for the year to be repeated rather than to send everyone back. We should wait until the virus is gone before that, or at least infection rate is very low.
As soon as everything goes back to normal, the virus will run rampant again. I really hope they aren’t eased!


Also, yes the economy might be suffering, but then it’s suffering (or should be) around the entire world. And then should really make no difference.
Why is the economy more important than human lives?
 
Little Ones said:
All it takes is for a young child to fall and graze their knee and then a member of staff will have to make contact in order to make sure the child is okay and use first aid kit if necessary. Children who need to tell the teacher if somethings happened won’t be able to due to distancing.
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Touching someone won’t give you covid. In order to get the virus it needs access to your mucous membranes. So the very best protection for the teachers is good hygiene. Wash your hands and don’t touch your face. If a kid needs patching up you need to wash your hands afterwards.

The absolute biggest key is wash your hands, don’t touch your face. I’m going to keep banging that drum!
 
Schools shouldn't go back, pubs shouldn't open, cafes etc can stay shut but there are a lot of businesses and services that could reopen with distancing that should never have shut in the first place. I agree this school year should be repeated. The media did a very good job of scaring a lot of people witless, this virus is going to be around for years we have to learn to get used to the risks. Most of all we need to get back to seeing our families and supporting them. People need to be given the choice of which risks they take.
No, money isn't more important than lives, but which lives? When the economy crashes there will be no jobs, people will commit suicide as they lose every thing, the anxiety and stress will cause cancer and other diseases. There will be no benefits or NHS because there will be no taxes being paid to run the system. The figures have never been published for the deaths caused by the crash in the 80s/90s, I lost 2 friends to suicide and a lot of friends have died young from illnesses that can be related to stress. It's a tough choice but I would vote for starting to ease lockdown now, just because you get the virus it doesn't mean you will die, most people have a mild dose. I think I've already had it, but if I haven't I'd rather catch it and have it over and done with one way or another.
 
Well I am shocked for a third time in as many weeks! The neighbours over the road were visited by their son yesterday afternoon, he is single and has just bought his own house about 2 miles away. His mother is a radiographer at the local hospital. This is not the first time we have witnessed blatant disregard for non mixing of households. Last week and the week before their daughter who lives with her boyfriend in another town turned up and they all went into the kitchen for a cuppa and a chat for a good half hour. You would think that this health professional would know better, it’s really not on when everyone else is doing their bit and she is risking the lives of patients and the staff she works with
 
Personally I think relaxing the lockdown at this stage is stupid!
We're gonna end up with a huge spike in deaths and then it's back to square one again!
My other half is in the auto trade (tyre fitter) so is a key worker. He could bring home the virus at any moment as he's in and out of customers cars all day.
I'm also a key worker but fortunately my preschool shut as there were no children needing to be there.
I've left the house 4 times in 8 weeks!
Last week I took my car for a drive as it had been sat for 6 weeks and the battery was dead. I somehow ended up heading to Hayling Island (about half hour away. 1 hour round trip to charge the battery)
Once there I told the kids we weren't getting out the car but despite the glorious weather the beach was deserted, I was so proud of everybody for staying at home!
So we ended up getting out the car and throwing stones in the sea for ten minutes before heading home (fortunately the car started).
I wouldn't normally bend the rules but we counted it as our daily exercise and it was so needed. Plus we had the beach to ourselves!
Cabin fever is setting in despite being a very anxious person outside the house.
 
Tigermoth said:
Touching someone won’t give you covid. In order to get the virus it needs access to your mucous membranes. So the very best protection for the teachers is good hygiene. Wash your hands and don’t touch your face. If a kid needs patching up you need to wash your hands afterwards.

The absolute biggest key is wash your hands, don’t touch your face. I’m going to keep banging that drum!
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I know, but if only it was that easy to be continuously washing hands, in nursery this isn’t always possible as you’d be washing every 30 seconds. It’s not good for kids either who don’t fully understand, they share pencils and crayons, hold hands, touch faces. All it takes is for one person in the school to have it and it could run rife as TAs and HLTAs bounce from class to class. One child with one cough that everyone else somehow comes into contact with could be very serious if they are positive for the virus. Also, it’s not easy for teachers to be washing hands all the time, as the bottom line is that schools are understaffed which can mean 1 teacher in a classroom alone. Going to wash hands in a classroom sink (which are usually a bit out of the way) could lead to a lot of classroom disruption through lessons being stopped to wash hands and through rowdy kids who see an opportunity. There are also situations where some schools don’t have sinks directly in the classroom. I know hand sanitiser is an option, but to me it makes sense to postpone classes and look at starting again in January to repeat the last half of the year they’ve missed. I know things need to go back to normal in some ways, but schools are just a breeding ground for disaster
 
Little Ones said:
I know, but if only it was that easy to be continuously washing hands, in nursery this isn’t always possible as you’d be washing every 30 seconds. It’s not good for kids either who don’t fully understand, they share pencils and crayons, hold hands, touch faces. All it takes is for one person in the school to have it and it could run rife as TAs and HLTAs bounce from class to class. One child with one cough that everyone else somehow comes into contact with could be very serious if they are positive for the virus. Also, it’s not easy for teachers to be washing hands all the time, as the bottom line is that schools are understaffed which can mean 1 teacher in a classroom alone. Going to wash hands in a classroom sink (which are usually a bit out of the way) could lead to a lot of classroom disruption through lessons being stopped to wash hands and through rowdy kids who see an opportunity. There are also situations where some schools don’t have sinks directly in the classroom. I know hand sanitiser is an option, but to me it makes sense to postpone classes and look at starting again in January to repeat the last half of the year they’ve missed. I know things need to go back to normal in some ways, but schools are just a breeding ground for disaster
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My wife is a hlta in a primary school and she has asthma, and feels the same as you do.

She comes home with a bug or cough and cold probably 4 times a year already. Corona will 100% have a field day if schools open back up. If they do open back up soon, it's the government putting money before people's lives. Plain and simple
 
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