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Layla - NSGPR

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Any ideas on what this could be?

3 year old sow, 750 grams

Hair loss on both sides with no soreness, flakey or abrasions on skin
Hair loss also on nose and on legs.
Bulgy eyes
Eating and acting as normal.
No weight loss but feels bony.
Drinking a lot
Holds self in hunched manner

I thought it might be hormonal - i.e. ovarian cysts but is not.

Any other ideas?
 
Could it be cushings disease- in dogs it shows hair loss and excessive drinking.
 
Could it be kidney related? Faith drinks a lot, has hairloss and is hunched but she's healthy and happy otherwise.
 
http://www.guinealynx.info/hairloss.html

Could it be related to vitamin C deficiency? Have you though about posting on the guinealynx forum, as this seems to be a bit more unusual?

Poor girl! I hope that you can find out what's wrong with her and help her.
 
My first thought, before I even finished reading your post, was that it seemed to be "hormonal baldness" from an ovarian cyst. You say it is not an ovarian cyst causing the problem. How do you know that?
It would be most unusual for it to be caused by a Vitamin C deficiency, as she is eating normally.
 
i would have said that if she's drinking a lot and is hunched up, it sounds kidney related.
as alcesterpigs said, the baldness sounds like a hormonal thing.
i'd get your pig checked out, as she may have two seperate problems (from the sound of it), but no one can give you a definate diagnosis over the internet. from what you've said it sounds like she needs to be examined. good luck!
 
One of my past sows, Lottie, had 6 out of 7 of those symptoms, exactly the same. She was diagnosed with hyperthyroid.
 
Thanks all,

Lulu - Yes she has been to the vet and been examined and as yet we have not got any further, so not trying to get a diagnosis on here, just looking for ideas to take back to the vet.

AP- Thank you, and I was hoping you'd reply - I thought you'd ask that! Vet examined her and said that she could not feel any abnormality in ovaries so did not think it was this - but maybe she should have an ultrasound?

Vet then queried possible liver problems, but thought that if she had problems there she would be poorly.

So before I went back again I wanted to see if I could go to the vet with ideas of what else could be looked into.

Like I say at the moment, she doesn't appear to be suffering and is just getting on as normal, but I don't want her to deteriorate.

Sounds like it could be a number of things!
 
Sorry for hyjacking, but a few times thyroid problems have been mentioned in guineas. Is this a fairly common thing for them to suffer from, do they tend to be hypo or hyper thyroid. I am always trying to learn for the sake of my own pets, so this would be a good thing to know.
Thanks.
 
Sorry for hyjacking, but a few times thyroid problems have been mentioned in guineas. Is this a fairly common thing for them to suffer from, do they tend to be hypo or hyper thyroid. I am always trying to learn for the sake of my own pets, so this would be a good thing to know.
Thanks.

I don't believe thyroid trouble is common by any means, but it does happen and a lot of times I believe the symptoms can be easily be overlooked/attributed to other conditions. As an idea, Lottie's case history turned out to be typical of this.

When I adopted Lottie in 2005, I noticed she had very large eyes. Not so much bulging at that stage, but still very large; they gradually began to bulge as time went on. She also had quite a firm pot belly, and as the next couple of years went by she was losing weight everywhere else, but her abdomen remained this firm shape. (Note she wasn;t actually losing weight, but she became bony while retaining the pot belly) She was always quite a dominant character, and in September 2007 I had to remove her from the main group and pair her up with another neutered male as she became so sexually aggressive to the other sows.

In October 07 I first went to see Vedra with Lottie, and as well as a small urethral stone Lottie was found to have quite significant hair loss on her sides and back, and Vedra was able to feel a small ovarian cyst. Lottie had two injections of HCG, four weeks apart. The hormonal behaviour that I had previously noted quickly eased, and she became a different guinea, very mellow and sweet natured.

However, the hair loss had still not corrected after a few months, so I took her back to Vedra in February 2008 and she could not feel a cyst, but gave another two injections of HCG (again, four weeks apart).

Her hair continued to thin slowly, and in August 2008 I did some research and found on Guinea Lynx that hyperthyroid can cause not only this hair loss, but also a distended abdomen and weight loss. Researching on hyperthyroid in humans, I doscovered bulging eyes was a symptom. I went to Vedra armed with this info and she agreed that it seemed she was very likely to have the condition.

Lottie had a urine test and blood test, and the results came back in September 2008 pointing to hyperthyroid. Lottie was started on Neo-Mercazole (carbimazole); the dosage was to be reduced over time and the courses we worked through with Lottie went as follows:

Course 1:-
19th Sept to 9th Oct - one quarter of a tablet every three days
12th Oct to 2nd Nov - one eighth of a tablet every three days

Course 2:-
4th Nov to 26th Dec - one eighth of a tablet every other day

Lottie was also weighed every other day while on the medication.

We never got to continue her treatment, as in mid-December she develoepd an infection on her back leg. We had to take her off the Neo-Mercazole tablets in order to give Rimadyl to help her leg. This condition rendered her unable to walk, she dragged herself around no problem but her overall condition was poor due to the effects of having the hyperthyroid undiagnosed and untreated for what was probably a year or more. Lottie died on 27th December 2008 ...I gave her a cuddle at midnight on 27 Dec, placed her in a comfy spot in her cage and the next morning found she had passed away during the night, I found her in that same place.
 
I don't believe thyroid trouble is common by any means, but it does happen and a lot of times I believe the symptoms can be easily be overlooked/attributed to other conditions. As an idea, Lottie's case history turned out to be typical of this.

When I adopted Lottie in 2005, I noticed she had very large eyes. Not so much bulging at that stage, but still very large; they gradually began to bulge as time went on. She also had quite a firm pot belly, and as the next couple of years went by she was losing weight everywhere else, but her abdomen remained this firm shape. (Note she wasn;t actually losing weight, but she became bony while retaining the pot belly) She was always quite a dominant character, and in September 2007 I had to remove her from the main group and pair her up with another neutered male as she became so sexually aggressive to the other sows.

In October 07 I first went to see Vedra with Lottie, and as well as a small urethral stone Lottie was found to have quite significant hair loss on her sides and back, and Vedra was able to feel a small ovarian cyst. Lottie had two injections of HCG, four weeks apart. The hormonal behaviour that I had previously noted quickly eased, and she became a different guinea, very mellow and sweet natured.

However, the hair loss had still not corrected after a few months, so I took her back to Vedra in February 2008 and she could not feel a cyst, but gave another two injections of HCG (again, four weeks apart).

Her hair continued to thin slowly, and in August 2008 I did some research and found on Guinea Lynx that hyperthyroid can cause not only this hair loss, but also a distended abdomen and weight loss. Researching on hyperthyroid in humans, I doscovered bulging eyes was a symptom. I went to Vedra armed with this info and she agreed that it seemed she was very likely to have the condition.

Lottie had a urine test and blood test, and the results came back in September 2008 pointing to hyperthyroid. Lottie was started on Neo-Mercazole (carbimazole); the dosage was to be reduced over time and the courses we worked through with Lottie went as follows:

Course 1:-
19th Sept to 9th Oct - one quarter of a tablet every three days
12th Oct to 2nd Nov - one eighth of a tablet every three days

Course 2:-
4th Nov to 26th Dec - one eighth of a tablet every other day

Lottie was also weighed every other day while on the medication.

We never got to continue her treatment, as in mid-December she develoepd an infection on her back leg. We had to take her off the Neo-Mercazole tablets in order to give Rimadyl to help her leg. This condition rendered her unable to walk, she dragged herself around no problem but her overall condition was poor due to the effects of having the hyperthyroid undiagnosed and untreated for what was probably a year or more. Lottie died on 27th December 2008 ...I gave her a cuddle at midnight on 27 Dec, placed her in a comfy spot in her cage and the next morning found she had passed away during the night, I found her in that same place.

Thank for taking the time to reply.
I have 6 cat who are hyperthyroid, so I KNOW its common in cats. Apparently you never hear of naturally occuring hypothyroidism cats, so it is good to know what things are possible in various species.
The more we know the better we can do for our animals, interesting how so many illnesses get overlooked until somebody challenges accepted knowledge.
 
Update

Just an update.

The piggies hair has now started to grow back well. She was treated with IVOMEC so I am assuming that there was some kind of parasite that was irritating her causing her to scratch her hair out on her sides. She still is bald on her nose.

But all other symptoms still there. She also has cataracts. She is so hunched over all the time but still eating well.

I have spoken to Vedra and did a urine test as I thought it could be diabetes. But the test did not show this but showed raised protein levels. Wondering if it could be a problem with her kidneys?

I am waiting to call Vedra again now to see where to go from here. Vedra also mentioned hyperthyroid - but I don't think it is this as she is definitely not hyper in her behaviour which is what I thought you would usually see as one of the behavioural symptoms. Vedra also mentioned cushings disease which was mentioned earlier in this thread.

So if anyone has any other advice it would be appreciated but I also thought I would update and how things were progressing.
 
Thanks for the update Layla, good to hear her hair is growing back but it's obvious something else is going on.

Lottie was not at all hyper in behaviour, if anything she was more sedentary, and it was definitely hyperthyroid she suffered. The effects of having lived with it for so long weakened her.
 
Thanks for the update Layla, good to hear her hair is growing back but it's obvious something else is going on.

Lottie was not at all hyper in behaviour, if anything she was more sedentary, and it was definitely hyperthyroid she suffered. The effects of having lived with it for so long weakened her.

Thanks Laura, so can't rule this out as a possibility then. She is definitely more sedentary than the others. At least things are being ruled out, so hopefully something will be identified soon so she can be treated properly.
 
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