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Hi.
I am looking for some advice please, I have been looking into vit c tablets, because I have to give them to my guinea pigs. I found these I was wondering if they would be o.k for them?

I would be most grateful if some one can help me out, as it's the ingredients that I am unsure of mostly.🤔
 

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Can you tell us why you say you have to give them to your piggies?

You don’t need to give supplementary vitamin c to an otherwise healthy guinea Pig. They get all their vitamin c needs from their hay, grass, vegetables and limited one tablespoon of pellets every day. Giving long term supplementary vitamin c can cause it’s own health problems if levels drop below which the body becomes used to.
 
I've been told by a vet that's it a good idea to, this way you know that if there veggies are getting low or run out they are still getting the vet c they need.
 
I've been told by a vet that's it a good idea to, this way you know that if there veggies are getting low or run out they are still getting the vet c they need.

That’s not the case. the only time you need to give additional vit c is if there is a diagnosed medical need to such as if a piggy is actually suffering with scurvy (rare) or as an additional short term boost during a period of illness.

They will be getting all they need from their hay (hay contains vitamin c), and then if you give a vit c rich veg every day such as peppers or coriander, along with their pellets, then they absolutely will be getting enough without supplementing. The whole reason piggies don’t need to make their own is due to their grass based diet, so additional vit c is not necessary and can be damaging in the long run if you overdo things long term. In excess amounts, vitamin c is excreted in the urine so as they should be getting all they need from the diet anyway, then all you are doing is wasting your money as they will be peeing the vit c in the tablets straight out!
 
That’s not the case. the only time you need to give additional vit c is if there is a diagnosed medical need to such as if a piggy is actually suffering with scurvy (rare) or as an additional short term boost during a period of illness.

They will be getting all they need from their hay (hay contains vitamin c), and then if you give a vit c rich veg every day such as peppers or coriander, along with their pellets, then they absolutely will be getting enough without supplementing. The whole reason piggies don’t need to make their own is due to their grass based diet, so additional vit c is not necessary and can be damaging in the long run if you overdo things long term. In excess amounts, vitamin c is excreted in the urine so as they should be getting all they need from the diet anyway, then all you are doing is wasting your money as they will be peeing the vit c in the tablets straight out!
How is to much vit c damaging? If I did give this for medical reasons, then would this be safe?
 
How is to much vit c damaging? If I did give this for medical reasons, then would this be safe?

You can safely give it for short term immune system boost for a poorly piggy for example supplement additional vit c to a piggy suffering from a respiratory infection. That won’t be harmful or problematic but long term over supplementing is not necessary and has downsides. If a piggy receives high levels of vit c for a long period then their body gets used to consistently higher than needed levels. If you then stop supplementing, the vit c levels then drop and the body can then show scurvy symptoms.
 
You can safely give it for short term immune system boost for a poorly piggy for example supplement additional vit c to a piggy suffering from a respiratory infection. That won’t be harmful or problematic but long term over supplementing is not necessary and has downsides. If a piggy receives high levels of vit c for a long period then their body gets used to consistently higher than needed levels. If you then stop supplementing, the vit c levels then drop and the body can then show scurvy symptoms.
I see, thanks for your help, but for the future could you please let me know if you think the vit c I posted would be safe or not?
 
I see, thanks for your help, but for the future could you please let me know if you think the vit c I posted would be safe or not?
No the Vet C you posted is not safe. It contains artificial sweeteners and flavours - both of which should be avoided.
If you need to supplement for medical reasons then please buy an animal appropriate supplemeny from a pet shop or your vet.
 
I see, thanks for your help, but for the future could you please let me know if you think the vit c I posted would be safe or not?

What most people - including vets who aren't dealing with guinea pigs on a regular basis - don't know is that grass is high in vitamin C and that good quality hay (which is the main food group that should make around 80% of the daily food intake) also still contains enough; it is the reason why guinea pigs never had the need to make their own vitamin C in the first place after all. It is also the food that the crucial chewing back teeth at the back of the mouth have evolved against (the silica in grass is very abrasive, so guinea pigs have some of the fastest growing teeth of all rodents; the incisors at the front of the mouth are self-sharpening) and why guinea pigs need to digest their food twice; they eat some of their poos (so-called caecotrophs) for that purpose.
You may find this link here highly interesting in learning more about guinea pigs as a species and understanding better where they come from and therefore what they need: Guinea Pig Facts - An Overview

All I can say is that we haven't seen any cases of scurvy from guinea pigs on unlimited hay, except when guinea pigs on regular artificial vitamin C supplements experienced a sudden drop of their constantly high levels and were displaying symptoms of vitamin C deficiency despite their vitamin C levels still being higher than normal guinea pig ones. And we have been going for nearly 15 years with literally tens of thousands of piggies passing through this forum.

It is much better to only give a 2-3 weeks vitamin C booster course if your piggy is suffering from an illness/infection that is linked to a lowered immune system; it is comparatively rare in well cared and properly fed guinea pigs as they have a fully functioning strong immune system, so don't expect having to boost often or even - if you are lucky - ever!
Otherwise, it is much better and much more life prolonging to concentrate on a good quality grass hay (and NOT veg) based diet because that is the true long term health booster and the one measure that actually can add as much as 1-2 years to a healthy life span and take it from the lower end of the average life span to the upper end and beyond.
Please take the time to carefully read our diet guide. You will find it very helpful. It looks at the diet as a whole and at each food group in the kind of practical detail that new owners find more useful. The closer you can keep the diet to that on which guinea pigs have evolved on (dry, i.e. hay, and fresh grass supplemented with some mainly herbal forage for those trace elements that their main food doesn't supply), the better. Fruit and root veg plus sweetcorn high in sugar count as treats.
Here is the guide link, which you may want to bookmark: Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets

The guide link is part of our much more extensive practical and informative information resource for new owners; unlike many books we do not gloss over the sticky details that can trip up many newbies. We cover settling in and making friends with guinea pigs (including a spot of 'piggy whispering'), understanding their behaviour; housing, diet and care; learning what is normal or not, life-long health monitoring and how to spot illness early on; preparing for vet care, emergencies and loss.
Here is the link - another one you may want to bookmark. It is one of the best and most comprehensive currently around: Getting Started - New Owners' Most Helpful Guides
Our full and even wider information can be accessed by clicking on the guide shortcut on the top bar.
 
No the Vet C you posted is not safe. It contains artificial sweeteners and flavours - both of which should be avoided.
If you need to supplement for medical reasons then please buy an animal appropriate supplemeny from a pet shop or your vet.
O.k thanks.
 
What most people - including vets who aren't dealing with guinea pigs on a regular basis - don't know is that grass is high in vitamin C and that good quality hay (which is the main food group that should make around 80% of the daily food intake) also still contains enough; it is the reason why guinea pigs never had the need to make their own vitamin C in the first place after all. It is also the food that the crucial chewing back teeth at the back of the mouth have evolved against (the silica in grass is very abrasive, so guinea pigs have some of the fastest growing teeth of all rodents; the incisors at the front of the mouth are self-sharpening) and why guinea pigs need to digest their food twice; they eat some of their poos (so-called caecotrophs) for that purpose.
You may find this link here highly interesting in learning more about guinea pigs as a species and understanding better where they come from and therefore what they need: Guinea Pig Facts - An Overview

All I can say is that we have never sees any cases of scurvy from guinea pigs on unlimited hay, except when guinea pigs on regular artificial vitamin C supplements experienced a sudden drop of their leves and were displaying symptoms of vitamin C deficiency despite their vitamin C levels still being higher than normal guinea pig ones. And we have been going for nearly 15 years with literally tens of thousands of piggies passing through this forum.

It is much better to only give a 2-3 weeks vitamin C booster course if your piggy is suffering from an illness/infection that is linked to a lowered immune system; it is comparatively rare in well cared and properly fed guinea pigs as they have a fully functioning strong immune system, so don't expect having to boost often or even - if you are lucky - ever!
Otherwise, it is much better and much more life prolonging to concentrate on a good quality grass hay (and NOT veg) based diet because that is the true long term health booster and the one measure that actually can add as much as 1-2 years to a healthy life span and take it from the lower end of the average life span to the upper end and beyond.
Please take the time to carefully read our diet guide. You will find it very helpful. It looks at the diet as a whole and at each food group in the kind of practical detail that new owners find more useful. The closer you can keep the diet to that on which guinea pigs have evolved on (dry, i.e. hay, and fresh grass supplemented with some mainly herbal forage for those trace elements that their main food doesn't supply), the better. Fruit and root veg plus sweetcorn high in sugar count as treats.
Here is the guide link, which you may want to bookmark: Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets

The guide link is part of our much more extensive practical and informative information resource for new owners; unlike many books we do not gloss over the sticky details that can trip up many newbies. We cover settling in and making friends with guinea pigs (including a spot of 'piggy whispering'), understanding their behaviour; housing, diet and care; learning what is normal or not, life-long health monitoring and how to spot illness early on; preparing for vet care, emergencies and loss.
Here is the link - another one you may want to bookmark. It is one of the best and most comprehensive currently around: Getting Started - New Owners' Most Helpful Guides
Our full and even wider information can be accessed by clicking on the guide shortcut on the top bar.
O.k thankyou very much for your help, I will have a read.
 
If you are dealing with an acute illness and really need to boost for a specific purpose and a limited amount of time to help your piggy through a rough spot and their recovery, then you can find more information here. Please be aware that in addition to any veg and fresh herbs you are feeding, the hay/grass there is vitamin C in reinforced pellets; there is also added vitamin C in recovery/syringe feed formulas, probiotics etc. and corresponding support products for guinea pigs off their food.
Probiotics, Recovery Foods And Vitamin C: Overview With Product Links
 
If you are dealing with an acute illness and really need to boost for a specific purpose and a limited amount of time to help your piggy through a rough spot and their recovery, then you can find more information here. Please be aware that in addition to any hay/fresh grass and to any veg and fresh herbs you are feeding, there is vitamin C also in reinforced pellets; there is also added vitamin C in recovery/syringe feed formulas, probiotics etc. and corresponding support products for guinea pigs off their food.
Probiotics, Recovery Foods And Vitamin C: Overview With Product Links
Thank you. Will have a read.
 
That’s not the case. the only time you need to give additional vit c is if there is a diagnosed medical need to such as if a piggy is actually suffering with scurvy (rare) or as an additional short term boost during a period of illness.

They will be getting all they need from their hay (hay contains vitamin c), and then if you give a vit c rich veg every day such as peppers or coriander, along with their pellets, then they absolutely will be getting enough without supplementing. The whole reason piggies don’t need to make their own is due to their grass based diet, so additional vit c is not necessary and can be damaging in the long run if you overdo things long term. In excess amounts, vitamin c is excreted in the urine so as they should be getting all they need from the diet anyway, then all you are doing is wasting your money as they will be peeing the vit c in the tablets straight out!
Incorrect I'm afraid
 
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