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Philip scoffield has been allover the papers this morning for eating! A guineapig! Whilst on holiday recently! I understand as we eat beef and pork other countrys eat other meat produce, however it is the matter of how they are treat and killed beforehand! I used to like and respect philip scoffield however my views have changed!
 
Oh my god! I used to like him as well. I have totally changed my mind.
 
Philip scoffield has been allover the papers this morning for eating! A guineapig! Whilst on holiday recently! I understand as we eat beef and pork other countrys eat other meat produce, however it is the matter of how they are treat and killed beforehand! I used to like and respect philip scoffield however my views have changed!

As much as I agree with you, as a meat eater, Philip Scoffield probably wouldn't really care where his food is coming from and if he wasn't famous, we wouldn't have heard about it.

I am a vegetation so any form of meat eating is hurtful and upsetting to me but I respect others who eat meat. I have a friend who I met at uni who is from Taiwan. Some of the food she ate was horrible and the way it was killed in Taiwan was plain wrong but that's how things were done over there.

I have a big problem with halal meat and personally I think that should be banned especially in this Country but it is allowed to carry on due to peoples religion and culture :( To me, the Philip Scoffield thing is no different. It is all sad :(
 
When in Rome.
I can't see what the fuss is about. Guinea pigs are farmed in Peru just like we farm chickens. They are bred for food. If a country has an abundance of an animal they will eat it to survive. We see them as pets but in Peru they are food. I keep chickens and still eat chicken. I wouldn't eat my own chickens no more than I would eat my own guinea pigs. I think it's the same thing really.
 
Where do you draw the line?
People eat lambs and suckling pigs. They eat chickens that have had their boy babies killed because they are of no use.
Dairy cows live horrible lives and their babies are torn away from them so people can drink the milk that was produced for the calves.
I won't go on as am aware that children visit this site, but....
unless you are a vegan, where do you draw the line?
 
I have to agree with the Halal meat thing...I think that is just so wrong and it disgusts me that it's allowed to go on in this country. However, I also understand that people from different cultures will see things differently. I love guinea pigs and would never eat one myself, nor would I knowingly eat horse, but I won't put it against someone that does. Due to living in Spain I've been fed rabbit before (as they put it in paellas and I had Spanish and South American friends that don't think anything of it) I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't choose to eat it again, but at the time I didn't want to be rude or offensive to my friends. Some people like to try different things, some don't.
 
This debate comes up again and again.

As far as I'm concerned, unless you're vegetarian or vegan, criticising anyone for eating any kind of Animal is just hypocrisy.

Why is a guinea pig any different to a pig or a cow? Do you know how your Sunday roast is treated before its killed?
 
I've got nothing against Phillip Scofield for doing what he did-he was in Peru. I would be disgusted if he had done it in this country though because we don't eat them here. We all have different cultures and you can't have a go at someone for trying somebody else's.

I love guinea pigs and personally wouldn't do what he did but each to their own.
 
As a meat eater (having tried Kangaroo and ostrich amongst others) I believe that if an animal is being farmed to provide food it should be given as good a life as possible and then thanks should be given for it giving up its life. Humans like other primates and bears are designed as omnivores, ie we should eat meat and veg's to survive.

Its down to choice - if I went to Peru I would choose not to eat Guinea Pig, but if I went to France would I eat Cheval, I dont know.

We should also note that the Guinea Pigs grown for food in Peru are completely different to those we have as pets, size etc.
 
I am actUally a proud vegetarian, i do consume milk and eggs etc but only from organic sources and not battery fArmed animals. I completely agree that everyone has different views and cultures such as british people eat beef people in peru eat guineapigs, however i do not agree with scoffield as a british citizen eating guineapig when they are infact in his home country kept as pets an then broadcasting it to the nation on this morning. There lot of sick sadistic people in this world and as a result of the broadcasting of guineapigs being edible it wouldnt surprize me if some idiot decided to harm and eat a pet pig now- twisted minds. As an animal lover i do not agree with eating meat its hypocriticAl to keep animals as pets aswell as eating others that arent our personal 'pets'. People have the right to an opinion and to choose to eat meat but my opinion is not to eat another living being that feels fear an pain. And before I'm attacked for my opinion cows have to be milked otherwise they are at risk of pain and discomfort, and chicken lay eggs naturlly and i choose to eat these to keep a varied balanced diet. I just dont Agree with eating creatures that as a british citizen we view as pets, whats next on the menu-dog and cat? It is in korea! As civilised humans we no right from wrong.
 
I am actUally a proud vegetarian, i do consume milk and eggs etc but only from organic sources and not battery fArmed animals. I completely agree that everyone has different views and cultures such as british people eat beef people in peru eat guineapigs, however i do not agree with scoffield as a british citizen eating guineapig when they are infact in his home country kept as pets an then broadcasting it to the nation on this morning. There lot of sick sadistic people in this world and as a result of the broadcasting of guineapigs being edible it wouldnt surprize me if some idiot decided to harm and eat a pet pig now- twisted minds. As an animal lover i do not agree with eating meat its hypocriticAl to keep animals as pets aswell as eating others that arent our personal 'pets'. People have the right to an opinion and to choose to eat meat but my opinion is not to eat another living being that feels fear an pain. And before I'm attacked for my opinion cows have to be milked otherwise they are at risk of pain and discomfort, and chicken lay eggs naturlly and i choose to eat these to keep a varied balanced diet. I just dont Agree with eating creatures that as a british citizen we view as pets, whats next on the menu-dog and cat? It is in korea! As civilised humans we no right from wrong.


I respect your views and commend you for being true to them (I have a friend who is a Buddhist and our differing views does not harm our friendship but can lead to healthy discussion and examination of our lifestyle). We benefit from being able to accept and respect other peoples views and lifestyles in this country. I agree that schofield shouldnt be publicised in this country but it was his choice. Just because we do things that we choose to do doesnt mean we should shout it from the rooftops.
 
We eat animals that are sacred in other countries - it's all about different beliefs and cultures, and if you go abroad, you go to experience that culture.

Organic farming is itself a potential welfare issue. I personally choose to avoid organic animal produce. If a cow that is providing me with milk becomes unwell, I want it to be treated with medication. Organic farming has a whole load of rules about the use of medications in animals and how long it has to be until that animal can be used for produce etc. (as does non-organic farming, but the organic rules are more numerous and "strict") and they're often killed, as they're just costing money to feed/house etc. while they're not contributing to an income during this period.

Also, in terms of dairy cows, yes, they have to be milked, but the reason they have to be milked is because they have repeated pregnancies. If they were left to their own devices, once their calf had been weaned, their milk would dry up, as it does with humans. Instead, dairy cows are milked and milked (encouraging continued milk production, although it does reduce) and each year they are mated again, to boost that milk production again, and of course producing more offspring to add to the cycle.



What I think leaves a bad taste in the mouth, is threads like this, about eating guinea pigs, on a guinea pig loving forum :(

I'm off to play with the pet oinky pigs. Pork can be a pet too :(
 
I'm a proud meat eater and only consume meat that I know has lead a happy life beforehand. I buy free range chicken, plus we sometimes have to kill our cockerels but theyve had a good life, eggs are from our own free range hens, i dont eat pork or lamb, or really beef, just chicken really or beef mince from the butcher.

I have no problem with what he did, we eat beef and yets cows are sacred in India.
 
We eat animals that are sacred in other countries - it's all about different beliefs and cultures, and if you go abroad, you go to experience that culture.

Organic farming is itself a potential welfare issue. I personally choose to avoid organic animal produce. If a cow that is providing me with milk becomes unwell, I want it to be treated with medication. Organic farming has a whole load of rules about the use of medications in animals and how long it has to be until that animal can be used for produce etc. (as does non-organic farming, but the organic rules are more numerous and "strict") and they're often killed, as they're just costing money to feed/house etc. while they're not contributing to an income during this period.

Also, in terms of dairy cows, yes, they have to be milked, but the reason they have to be milked is because they have repeated pregnancies. If they were left to their own devices, once their calf had been weaned, their milk would dry up, as it does with humans. Instead, dairy cows are milked and milked (encouraging continued milk production, although it does reduce) and each year they are mated again, to boost that milk production again, and of course producing more offspring to add to the cycle.



What I think leaves a bad taste in the mouth, is threads like this, about eating guinea pigs, on a guinea pig loving forum :(

I'm off to play with the pet oinky pigs. Pork can be a pet too :(

It is a guinePig forum to discuss all things guineapig related, to brush things under the carpet because it isnt nice to hear or discuss seems nieve to me And as an animal lover and piggy lover i found this issue revolting and wanted to air my views and upset over this issue. And my friend owns an runs a dairy farm and she has a calf off her cows once every couple of years and there milk does not dry up as they are milked everyday twice a day, as with humans if the milk is being used (either by a baby or a machine) the body will keep producing this milk it is not due to excessive breeding well not in my friends case anyhow i cannot speak in behalf of all farmers as i am sure there are a cruel minority. Anyhow ive raised an issue that upset me and discussed with fellow piggy lovers and il leave it at that if its upsetting some of you.
 
And before I'm attacked for my opinion cows have to be milked otherwise they are at risk of pain and discomfort, and chicken lay eggs naturlly and i choose to eat these to keep a varied balanced diet. I just dont Agree with eating creatures that as a british citizen we view as pets, whats next on the menu-dog and cat? It is in korea! As civilised humans we no right from wrong.

I understand where you're coming from Lil-Ninnipig but cows produce milk because they have been forced to get pregnant. They have all that milk because they need it to feed their babies. However, the babies are taken away (and the males often slaughtered) so milk drinkers have their supply instead. If the cows weren't forced to get pregnant, they wouldn't 'have to be milked otherwise they are at risk of pain and discomfort.'
Eggs are basically a hens period, :)>>> and sadly you will often find that free range hens live as horrible a life as battery farmed.
As a civilised human, i believe we should respect all animals, whether they are considered to be pets or not.

(I posted at same time as you Lil-Ninnipig, and i agree, lets leave it at that.)
 
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Running the risk of being bad mouthed, as I have said, I have a really problem with halal meat (My own personnel feelings). Most people who eat halal meat are British Citizons but are allowed to carry on with this ritual in this country even though it isn't a 'British' thing to do :(

I see know difference in Philip Schofield eating guinea pig and at least he was eating it in Peru and not here.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere! It can't be one rule for one and one rule for another!
 
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Running the risk of being bad mouthed, as I have said, I have a really problem with halal meat. Most people who eat halal meat are British Citizons but are allowed to carry on with this ritual in this country even though it isn't a 'British' thing to do :(

I see know difference in Philip Schofield eating guinea pig and at least he was eating it in Peru and not here.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere! It can't be one rule for one and one rule for another!

Halal meat is disgusting and should be banned in this country!
 
Running the risk of being bad mouthed, as I have said, I have a really problem with halal meat (My own personnel feelings). Most people who eat halal meat are British Citizons but are allowed to carry on with this ritual in this country even though it isn't a 'British' thing to do :(

I see know difference in Philip Schofield eating guinea pig and at least he was eating it in Peru and not here.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere! It can't be one rule for one and one rule for another!

I have to agree. I would have thought with all our Animal Rights and views this wouldn't be allowed in this country as it is animal cruelty. I understand that a lot of farming can also be classed as animal cruelty by animal rights activists and such, but at least they are killed humanely without suffering.
My grandad was a farmer, not large scale, but he had his sheep, cows and chickens. At one point he had a few pigs too. They weren't always in the best of living conditions I must admit (as he got old and couldn't cope with the workload when my father and us moved to Spain) but they were happy and that's what I believe matters. The chickens would roam the whole farm all day, the ducks had the pond to go swimming on and the cows and sheep had massive fields to roam in. If the sheep and cows were sick they were treated. He spent a bomb to have one of his calves delivered by C-section to save it and the cow even though he would gain no profit from this. The cows and sheep weren't "forced" to breed. They did because it's nature. He didn't milk his cattle however, they were often taken to market or he just kept them.

I don't want to get slandered for this post, but just wanted to get my views across. It's good to have a debate every once in a while as long as it doesn't get out of hand.
 
My own personal opinions aside, I have to say that I think Philip Schofield has publicised this to get a reaction, and he's getting one, isn't he?! mallethead
 
I personally don't see a problem with it.

Many people have pet chickens, however there isn't outrage when a celeb eats a Sunday roast. And yet it's not any different really.

Personally, I wouldn't do it, but I don't see any problem with it and I don't like or respect Philip Schofield any less for doing it.
 
I think Philip Schofield has publicised this to get a reaction, and he's getting one, isn't he?! mallethead

I agree with this.

The guinea pigs in peru are not like our cute fuzz balls.

I wouldn't eat a guinea pig here as its seen as Taboo after all the reactions people are giving now, but if I went to Peru and I was given it by my hosts I would eat it as not to offend them.
 
What's up with Halal? I'll admit I know nothing about it!
In terms of milk and eggs, these animals have been so changed from what they would be originally, I mean think about chickens, does it make sense for an animal to lay an egg a day all though out the year, regardless of whether there is a male around? Same with cows! Even chickens that are pets and just kept for eggs have been specifically bred for that purpose, pets or not humans have changed them to get at what we want!

I think there isn't anything wrong with what he did, however, it probably was very tackless to broadcast it!

I eat meat and drink milk, eggs etc, I campaign agaisnt large scale farming as although I accept these animals are specifically bred for our own purpose I believe they should be treated with all due respect whilst they are in our care!
Take a look. http://notinmycuppa.com/intercept
 
With Halal meat they drain the blood (exsanguinate) before the animal has died. I won't go into detail as it's horrible and may cause upset.
Basically, as mentioned before, and egg is a chicken's "period". But as you said, what wild birds naturally lay eggs every day whether they are fertilised or not?

And I agree with your comment about Schofield too. I haven't lost any respect for him eating guinea pig, each to their own and all that, but it was very tactless for him to broadcast it as he did.
 
I agree with this.

The guinea pigs in peru are not like our cute fuzz balls.

I wouldn't eat a guinea pig here as its seen as Taboo after all the reactions people are giving now, but if I went to Peru and I was given it by my hosts I would eat it as not to offend them.

So because there not cute and fluffy its fine to eat them ? :-o
 
It's no different to eating a cow or a pig tbh.

And anybody who thinks that farm animals are kept and killed in a 'kind and humane' way are deraaaanged @)
 
I love my guinea pigs I have only has them 6 months and I will admit I have tried guinea pig many years ago from a reputable restaurant my main passion is my rabbits I love them to bits but I will also admit I have tried rabbit everyone is entitled to there own opinion I love going to different places and experiencing there culture and trying the food they eat
 
So because there not cute and fluffy its fine to eat them ? :-o

I think he was highlighting the fact that you don't get the different breeds etc. Peruvian wife doesn't say "what do you fancy for dinner tonight dear?" for husband to reply "lemon agouti tonight". They're quite different to the guinea pigs that we know.
 
I don't see the problem, I personally wouldn't do it but in Peru this is no different to a cow or chicken.
Have you been? do you understand their culture? I have, and I made a personal decsison to view a guinea farm. Like this country, some are better than others. Like this country, it is an animal farmed for consumption, for trade, for restaurants, the same way we farm chickens, pigs etc.

Perus is also a poor country so you can't critisise how they do things, they're doing the best they can with what they have. If the option for a family is to try and farm some animals for cash or their family starves, what do you think they're going to do? what would YOU do?

I also believe you can't eat ANY meat and still be disgusted with the killing/breeding/farming conditions because if you're eating the produce you're part of the industry. All you can do is try and be pro active and conscious in your choices, i.e buying locally produced meat, organic or free range etc.
 
I've got nothing against Phillip Scofield for doing what he did-he was in Peru. I would be disgusted if he had done it in this country though because we don't eat them here. We all have different cultures and you can't have a go at someone for trying somebody else's.

I love guinea pigs and personally wouldn't do what he did but each to their own.

This sums it up for me basically! Different things are acceptable in different places, depending on culture, religion, social status etc.
 
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