Please Read - Re: DrizzlesPiggies

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baby-wilson said:
newpiggies said:
i know the evidence looks pretty damning. The only alternative scenario I can think of is if it was her brother trying to log in as both Drizzlepiggies and Kimmieguineas. This is very sad and I know a lot of people have been really hurt by what has happened.
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I know the evidence s there... I'm just finding it hard to believe


Kimmie said somewhere else that her brother wanted it to look like it was her... so maybe he logged in as drizzle and then as kimmie so she would def look like the bad guy? That is a possibility!...

Anything could have happened and unless we were there we cant be certain that her brother didnt do this... either way... :)

I have my password saved... so if my brother wanted to he could come on and post as me... but he isnt allowed on the computer ;D
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Thing is, as Ellie has said, they accounts are logging on seconds away from each other BUT never at the same time... This shows that its one person doing this who knows both the accounts passwords and not two people on the same connection using seperate machines.... :(

I'm afraid the evidence is there - I suppose you never ever truely know someone - everyone has two sides to their personality :(
 
Thanks for clearing up that one for us, Squeekypigs.

hey, has everyone seen the good news about Cindy? :) The warmth and shared excitement is one of the reasons I, for one, love this forum. Let's try to keep it that way.
 
newpiggies said:
PS, Squeekypigs, I don't think anyone is questioning you or your decision - the evidence is pretty clear - we respect you, the steps you took, etc and are grateful you took measures to stop Drizzlepiggies. I don't see any alternative action you could have taken. This must all be very upsetting for you too. I think working through alternative scenarios is in part because people find it hard to believe it is Kimmie, someone respected and trusted on the forum, and are also dealing with their own shock, hurt and bewilderment.
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The admin tools allow us to watch all activity on the forum - we are just as shocked as everyone else. If we didn't respect Kimmie, we would have immediately banned her when we found her IP to match DrizzlesPiggies but we didn't. We monitored closely to see what was happening and we are more than 100% sure it is Kimmie - we have the proof.

DrizzlePiggies first time at logging in was at

Sorry DrizzlesPiggies, you are banned from using this forum!
Contact [email protected] if you have any questions.
?action=login2 May 09, 2007, 12:36:59 pm

Why didn't Kimmie mention then that she got the ban message? - She only mentioned it AFTER I posted we knew who it was and by then, she had tried logging in as DrizzlesPiggies SIXTEEN times. Thats when she was like "Oh by the way, I been getting ban messages for Drizzles Piggies - she did this because we KNEW who it was.
 
Unfortuanatly i have been a member of a smaller forum with a similar situation happened a well known and respected member was not who the said they were. It had upset and shockd everyone on there and sad thing was split the forum in sections of taking sides cos members wouldn't believe the mods. It got taken down in the end cos it never regained it's trust in members :'(

Just wanted to say BIG THANK YOU to Ellie and to the mods for dealing with this situation O0

Thank you.
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O0
 
Thank you all of you.

Like Kezza has said in the previous post, if we were not 100% sure we could have wrecked the forum's reputation - Why would we want to do this after all of us have built this up to be a friendly place to talk about piggies?

We gave her the opportunity to come clean but instead, thats when the excuses came flooding in, all excuses which we had already managed to rule out.

I am sorry that it has come to this, I really am. I know that DrizzlesPiggies hurt a lot of members on this forum and I thought it was only fair that a public apology was made!
 
I've only just logged in and read all of this - I can't believe it! (Not that I don't believe it, the evidence speaks for itself and I don't doubt it for one second) but it's just such a shock, the lengths someone will go to to get something that they want is unbelievable. Realistically I think it will be difficult for Kimmie to come back on to the forum, but given time (and definitely being mature about it and actually owning up) maybe, who knows.... :-\
 
I really think Ellie has done enough explaining now, she has the proof and to be hoenst as already said somewhere else you never really know who is at the end of the computer , yes Kimmie seemed wonderful but the proof has proved otherwise so come on and accept it hard as it is , if any doubt remember some of the nasty things she said as drizzle, I am behind the mods every inch of the way and am just glad they stopped it becasue Drizzle was really a nasty piece of work and upset a lot of nice gentle people, so no more expecting explanations I believe thats been done and proved, lets get back to being a great forum and accept its happened, after all we do have 994 members why worry about just one anymore, thanks again Ellie Kate and Luke,
 
Michellemuffin♥ said:
I really think Ellie has done enough explaining now, she has the proof and to be hoenst as already said somewhere else you never really know who is at the end of the computer , yes Kimmie seemed wonderful but the proof has proved otherwise so come on and accept it hard as it is , if any doubt remember some of the nasty things she said as drizzle, I am behind the mods every inch of the way and am just glad they stopped it becasue Drizzle was really a nasty piece of work and upset a lot of nice gentle people, so no more expecting explanations I believe thats been done and proved, lets get back to being a great forum and accept its happened, after all we do have 994 members why worry about just one anymore, thanks again Ellie Kate and Luke,
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Absolutely. It is a shock but it is sinking in now with me. I love this forum (although I've only been a member for a couple of months) and am looking forward to many more happy hours with you guys . . .
 
just read this thread and although I'm new I'm find it difficult to get my head around the lengths someone will go to to do things like this, but as its already been said it is extreamly difficult to know exactly who you are talking to on a computer :embarassed: :-\
 
lukey said:
Right now I dont post often but I am a computer expert, a geek if you will... I do a lot of internet work and know a lot about IP, viruses etc etc... I have personally checked all the information that the form has to offer, IP address, times, usernames and many other things...

Firstly the facts... It is impossible for anyone else in the world to steal or use your IP address, IMPOSSIBLE... a hacker cant do it, a virus cant do it. They are absolutley unique to the household or businesses internet account and property. They can come from one or numerous computers in a household. The only was this can have been done is from the house of the member in question, if a hacker was involved the hackers IP address would be logged. In this case there is just one IP address constantly for 2 members! IP addresses are fool proof they log everything you go on, what time etc... they are the type of things used to catch sex offenders and used in court cases as evidence as there is nothing that can tamper with them!

We have no reason to target anyone... the facts do not lie... they cannot! So we can only go by the evidence and what we have is showing that...

- Two members have one IP address
- There has been accout switching back and forth within minutes/seconds of each other (too close to be coinsidence)
- They have never been online at the same time

Now everyone put yourself in our situation, this is your forum and you find someone with two account and one IP posting awful things on your forum! Looking at the facts above what would you do in your honest opinion, because I am hating looking at this and I wish there was a way out of it but honestly I cannot see one...

Any questions ask me
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Hi I've got as far as Lukes post & Eves dad has read through it for me & here's what he said:

"The only way to do this is by using a remote desktop connection or other software that would take control of the computer. So a hacker could log on to her computer from somewhere else and post as Drizzle. Hence the Hackers (Drizzle) would come up with Kimmies IP not their own. Also if she is wireless& has a unsecure network then it can be done. Each wireless router generally loggs the MAC address of computers who use the router". "I can be anywhere in the world & remotely send an email from this computer (here) but could actually be sat in the middle of a field in Ireland with my palmtop phone".

Hope this helps ......I'm gonna finish reading the rest of the posts now. Reg just said that he could reply to Lukes post. It might have all been resolved by the time I get to my own post!

He did say that the most likely reasons are someone in the house.
 
You can't be sure people are who they say they are and I've used this as an example to my kids. You should've seen their faces - it was like "ooh it does really happen then". They don't use chatrooms etc now, too young, and the computer is in a main living room, but perhaps it will remind them to be careful when they're older . .
 
Looks like in my last post that I said what has already been said since Lukeys post.

I too am in utter shock that Kimmie would do such a thing, thats why I asked Reggie if he could come up with an explination. So to add again as others have done - I dont mistrust your desicions Ellie & Kate, its just Kimmie was such a great member and I really wanted to find her an explination for her defense.

I do remember her posts saying that she had had horrible accusations that she was a breeder & not a rescue etc. I am still clinging onto the hope that it is someone else such as these people.

It does seem a little far fetched with all the info on Loggin in etc that a hacker would bother with a Guinea Pig Forum, unless she's really peed someone off who is/knows a hacker & has asked them to get her in trouble......

Keep up the good work.
 
I have spoke to a member of this forum who has told me that Kimmie told them that DrizzlesPiggies had pmed her saying nasty things.  Because a flag was put up against this IP address, we could see all activity made between both accounts linked to that IP address.  We can confirm that DrizzlesPiggies did NOT send ANY messages to KimmiesGuineas.
 
Thats damming evidence if I ever heard any! I still don't want to believe that its her though although I'm afraid to say it obviously is.
 
I don't think any of us want to believe its true and that someone has abused our friendship and trust so viciously.

Sadly there is no doubting the evidence - I can see it all with my own eyes through the admin tools.

I just hope that now we can all move on from this horrible situation and get back to the piggie stuff!
 
Well I for one don't need any more convincing, anyway . . . although I wish things were different.

BTW Noticed that Kimmies e-mail address has a similar word-rhyme style: littlekiddle KimmiesGuineas DrizzlesPiggies

(And no I haven't e mailed her I was just looking at her profile)
 
I am sorry but i find it very hard to believe that someone would be so sad as to create a new account on your guinea pig forum and log in and out checking messages and replying....I mean its pretty weird to do it when you are already a member, but i dont see why someone would go to all the bother of doing that to someone else....I cant believe its true but I dont think anyone else but her would have done it. The OH's just got back from lunch and he said if he was going to do something like that to embarass me or whatever, he would just post a silly message on my account, not create a whole new account and persona and be nasty to everyone. I do think it was her but maybe she had good reason?

I hope shes okay....there must be something wrong upstairs or in her life for her to feel she has to create new parts of herself...maybe she didnt say what she wanted to certain members about things, so created this account to vet...who knows, i just wish it wasnt true, i really liked her! :(
 
Smileer said:
I am sorry but i find it very hard to believe that someone would be so sad as to create a new account on your guinea pig forum and log in and out checking messages and replying....I cant believe its true but I dont think anyone else but her would have done it. The OH's just got back from lunch and he said if he was going to do something like that to embarass me or whatever, he would just post a silly message on my account, not create a whole new account and persona and be nasty to everyone. I do think it was her but maybe she had good reason?
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The Mods have said she did it because she wanted to cause trouble in order to get a moderators job!
 
what good reason would she have to do that and upset a lot of people and cause Ellie and Kate so much trouble, come on we have got to face it , it happened for what ever reason and I for one would like to get back to a friendly forum discussing our piggys not what one person has done by keeping on with it its keeping drizzle /kimmie in our thoughts and i for one dont want to think about her anymore , and for goodness sake stop finding reasons why ?. we probably will never find a reason, its been VERY WELL EXPLAINED even to a computer nit wit like me and i dont think it needs explantions any more . ;)
 
Anddddd Ellie's software knows everything we do :o and I mean everything ;D ;)

Forget Big Brother is watching you 2funny .... it should be TGPF is watching you! :P
 
Smileer said:
The OH's just got back from lunch and he said if he was going to do something like that to embarass me or whatever, he would just post a silly message on my account.
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The OH of a member of a rabbit forum posed as her a couple of times first to ask for rabbit stew recipes and then to say the member was saving to have cosmetic surgery to become a bunny! :D. ;D
 
bev said:
Anddddd Ellie's software knows everything we do :o and I mean everything ;D ;)

Forget Big Brother is watching you 2funny .... it should be TGPF is watching you! :P
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yup theyre perving thru your window right now!
 
LOL We don't know everything at all - I could tell what Bev was doing last night because I clicked on "Who's Online" and it tells you what each member is doing! So all of us can be Big Brother! LOL
 
squeakypigs said:
LOL We don't know everything at all - I could tell what Bev was doing last night because I clicked on "Who's Online" and it tells you what each member is doing! So all of us can be Big Brother! LOL
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yeah its the who's online thingy? its pretty cool to see
 
at the bottom

Users Online 9 Guests, 19 Users (3 Buddies)
Users active in past 15 minutes

like that
 
or do the mods have a different one, where is says something like ''Guinea-Tia-Flossie online looking at announcements'' ?
 
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