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Piggy returned from Abscess draining - really tired?

Eran Johnson

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My piggy, Charlie, had an abscess on the lower part of his jaw, for which I took him to the vet to be drained out.
Brought him home about 3-4 hours ago and he was still sleepy from the anesthesia. right now he is even more tired than before and even though he ate parsley when I brought him, right now he doesn't have the power to eat much at all.
He still licks my finger occasionally when I put my finger up to his mouth, I'm keeping him warm in a blanket.

Is this normal after such a surgery? I'm aware the vet gave him powerful pain meds but still unsure if this is a sign to be worried about.
 
Hi it’s common for them to be very sleepy and quiet after surgery.

You will need to step in with syringe feeding until he’s well enough to feed for himself. You can make some syringe feed up with pellets and warm water if you don’t have any recovery food.

Please read the following guides

Tips For Post-operative Care

Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
 
Hi it’s common for them to be very sleepy and quiet after surgery.

You will need to step in with syringe feeding until he’s well enough to feed for himself. You can make some syringe feed up with pellets and warm water if you don’t have any recovery food.

Please read the following guides

Tips For Post-operative Care

Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
Thank you for the response.
Is this amount of time within the normal range of anesthesia? The vet also mentioned it was a painful process for him.
I will get some of his pellets and blend them with some water.
 
I am no expert but hopefully someone will give even more support .
You say the vet said it had been a painful process. Did your vet give any pain relief medication for you guinea pig?
 
I am no expert but hopefully someone will give even more support .
You say the vet said it had been a painful process. Did your vet give any pain relief medication for you guinea pig?
Yes he did. I am supposed to give him a small painkiller shot in a few hours, and he gave me pain meds to give once a day - for 5 days - in addition to antibiotics.
 
What do you main by shot? Do you mean you will give it by syringe? If so how much have you been advised to give him? Sorry to keep asking questions but it will help when an Health expert gets involved. I have just read @VickiA post attachments which gives detailed advice that hopefully will answer your questions.
 
I’ve found it usually takes until the next day before mine have perked up after surgery.
@VickiA has given you good advice in caring for a post op piggy.

Hope Charlie makes a full recovery now
 
What is the 'shot' you are to give him?
What are the pain killers you are to give once a day for five days? Piggies are usually given pain meds twice a day due to their fast metabolism but without knowing what meds you have been prescribed, its obviously hard for us to comment
 
What is the 'shot' you are to give him?
What are the pain killers you are to give once a day for five days? Piggies are usually given pain meds twice a day due to their fast metabolism but without knowing what meds you have been prescribed, its obviously hard for us to comment
The vet said it was insulin, then he said it was pain meds (I'm confused regarding what it is)
It's in a syringe with a very small needle that I need to give to him.
The pain killers are once a day, for five days.

Trying to read his handwriting:
Needle syringe pain med is called "Burrenorphine", he said it is similar to an opioid.
Syrup pain meds is called "Meloxicam", which is once every day for 5 days.
 
What is the 'shot' you are to give him?
What are the pain killers you are to give once a day for five days? Piggies are usually given pain meds twice a day due to their fast metabolism but without knowing what meds you have been prescribed, its obviously hard for us to comment
Replied to your question in the above response
 
Buprenorphine is a strong pain killer. I’m assuming it’s already drawn up in the syringe then.
The meloxicom is a standard pain killer. How big is the dose? You do need to be guided by your vet but loxicom is usually given twice a day to be most effective. They metabolise their pain meds in about 12 hours, so only giving it once a day means they are not effective for 12 out of every 24 hours. You’ll have to see how things go with it.
 
Buprenorphine is a strong pain killer. I’m assuming it’s already drawn up in the syringe then.
The meloxicom is a standard pain killer. How big is the dose? You do need to be guided by your vet but loxicom is usually given twice a day to be most effective. They metabolise their pain meds in about 12 hours, so only giving it once a day means they are not effective for 12 out of every 24 hours. You’ll have to see how things go with it.
Yes the Buprenorphine is already drawn in the syringe.
He gave me a 0.15ml dose for the meloxicom.
 
Can we ask you to add your location to your profile? It’s confusing otherwise. I am assuming you are not in the UK?
 
Piggy weighs about 800 grams before the surgery, our other guinea pig (that has been with him for more than 5 years) has recently passed away, he was 900 before her passing so the weight loss could be attributed to that.
Not sure about the strength of meloxicom or it's version.
 
Buprenorphine is opiod pain relief, very unusual that you would be asked to give it at home especially via injection as it is a controlled drug. Buprenorphine is like... well... morphine or ! Meloxican is inflammatory pain relief more like ibuprofen or paracetamol, like supermarket shelf mild headache type pain relief. It would be very unusual in the uk to give out controlled injectable opiods for home use, and also then switch to such a low dose of loxicom... not quite what we would expect a vet to do here...
 
Buprenorphine is opiod pain relief, very unusual that you would be asked to give it at home especially via injection as it is a controlled drug. Buprenorphine is like... well... morphine or ! Meloxican is inflammatory pain relief more like ibuprofen or paracetamol, like supermarket shelf mild headache type pain relief. It would be very unusual in the uk to give out controlled injectable opiods for home use, and also then switch to such a low dose of loxicom... not quite what we would expect a vet to do here...
I wouldn't know. But I place very high trust in this vet as he is very well known and regarded as one of the best in the country, very sympathetic towards animals and extremely upfront with the owners, as to not drag them along for humongous sums of money.
Should I inquire him about the meds?
The dose of the Buprenorphine is approximately 0.1ml-0.05ml.
 
Clinically buprenorphine is a very good painkiller, but it isnt really appropriate to give at home by injection, especially by someone who doesnt know what they are administering... you may query firstly the legality of that but mainly what the concentration of loxicom is?
Its always good to know what medication is, and does, and what strength it is!
 
Clinically buprenorphine is a very good painkiller, but it isnt really appropriate to give at home by injection, especially by someone who doesnt know what they are administering... you may query firstly the legality of that but mainly what the concentration of loxicom is?
Its always good to know what medication is, and does, and what strength it is!
I will toss him a message. It worries me that this shot was given to me without proper knowledge, for the record he explained that I should slightly raise the skin above his neck and administer the shot there, he also explained there was very very little risk/pain involved in it (it's an extremely thin needle). He already gave him very powerful pain meds in the clinic, as he told me, so maybe that is why I give little loxicom? not sure either way.

Edit: concentration is 1.5 mg/ml
 
Giving him some vegetable Gerber and he is very eager to eat! don't even need to hold his mouth open. he also purrs when I pet him and slightly moves when I remove him from the blankets, I suppose he gets lazy when he likes the warmth.

I hope he'll be okay.
 
Oh it is good he wants to eat - are you trying some of the mushed pellets? He will enjoy the warmth as it is less work for his little body to do to keep him warm. I sadly lost one piggy after an operation a few years back and I can still remember how cold he felt as I nursed him - I knew his poor body was shutting down. If he feels warm it is a good sign. A gentle recovery will not make him lazy - as soon as he feels a bit more normal he will be up and about. Your vet sounds like he has a good reputation. We get other posters from Israel on here - no doubt they will be tagging you to find out more about your vet!

A recent poster here in the UK was prescribed this 'injectable' opioid medication to give her piggy orally - this seems to be more common here. The poster was concerned about giving a high dose because the pig can really be 'out of it' and stop eating. Your pig's dose sounds reasonable compared to what she was prescribed (which according to other people who responded was worryingly high - especially as it was for day after day for her pig not just once). She took the view that she would try her pig with a lower volume at first to see how they were on it - balancing the effective painkilling with her pig's appetite: too much pain = they can't eat, but too much opioid painkiller = they won't eat! She could always add more painkiller but once it was in there she couldn't take it out again!

It sounds unusual to us here because is not common practice in the UK for vets to hand out syringes of injectable anything to people but a sub-cutaneous (just under the skin) injection of a very small volume I can appreciate is not so difficult - as long as you don't stick it into yourself by mistake - and the rules are different in each country.

Now I'm saying that, but we once took a piggy in here in the UK and the vet was a visitor from Australia. She gave my pig a large sub-cut. injection of fluids under the skin on her back to try and make her pee lots and pass a bladder stone. This was nearly 10ml of fluids so it made a big lump on her back but the body absorbed it and she peed plenty overnight. She said she would give me another syringe to take home and do it again the next day but I said "No thank you!" (I'm thinking what craziness is this - if I do it right it is very uncomfortable for the pig and I could easily kill her if I do it wrong!) so she turns to my daughter who had said she is interested in being a vet when she is older and said maybe she would like to do it if mum didn't want to... she was only 12 years old! I said I would bring piggy back tomorrow if necessary - luckily it wasn't and I have not seen that vet at the practice since so I am assuming we were not the only people who were alarmed by her free-wheelin' attitude. Well, you meet all sorts. Perhaps she was more used to advising farmers with cattle in the outback 1000 miles away!

Loxicom at 1.5mg/ml is the slightly stronger one and we get that for our piggies here - they tolerate it well. It is tasty and there is usually no problem getting them to eat it! Good luck and we will be keeping everything crossed for your recovery 💕
 
Oh it is good he wants to eat - are you trying some of the mushed pellets? He will enjoy the warmth as it is less work for his little body to do to keep him warm. I sadly lost one piggy after an operation a few years back and I can still remember how cold he felt as I nursed him - I knew his poor body was shutting down. If he feels warm it is a good sign. A gentle recovery will not make him lazy - as soon as he feels a bit more normal he will be up and about. Your vet sounds like he has a good reputation. We get other posters from Israel on here - no doubt they will be tagging you to find out more about your vet!

A recent poster here in the UK was prescribed this 'injectable' opioid medication to give her piggy orally - this seems to be more common here. The poster was concerned about giving a high dose because the pig can really be 'out of it' and stop eating. Your pig's dose sounds reasonable compared to what she was prescribed (which according to other people who responded was worryingly high - especially as it was for day after day for her pig not just once). She took the view that she would try her pig with a lower volume at first to see how they were on it - balancing the effective painkilling with her pig's appetite: too much pain = they can't eat, but too much opioid painkiller = they won't eat! She could always add more painkiller but once it was in there she couldn't take it out again!

It sounds unusual to us here because is not common practice in the UK for vets to hand out syringes of injectable anything to people but a sub-cutaneous (just under the skin) injection of a very small volume I can appreciate is not so difficult - as long as you don't stick it into yourself by mistake - and the rules are different in each country.

Now I'm saying that, but we once took a piggy in here in the UK and the vet was a visitor from Australia. She gave my pig a large sub-cut. injection of fluids under the skin on her back to try and make her pee lots and pass a bladder stone. This was nearly 10ml of fluids so it made a big lump on her back but the body absorbed it and she peed plenty overnight. She said she would give me another syringe to take home and do it again the next day but I said "No thank you!" (I'm thinking what craziness is this - if I do it right it is very uncomfortable for the pig and I could easily kill her if I do it wrong!) so she turns to my daughter who had said she is interested in being a vet when she is older and said maybe she would like to do it if mum didn't want to... she was only 12 years old! I said I would bring piggy back tomorrow if necessary - luckily it wasn't and I have not seen that vet at the practice since so I am assuming we were not the only people who were alarmed by her free-wheelin' attitude. Well, you meet all sorts. Perhaps she was more used to advising farmers with cattle in the outback 1000 miles away!

Loxicom at 1.5mg/ml is the slightly stronger one and we get that for our piggies here - they tolerate it well. It is tasty and there is usually no problem getting them to eat it! Good luck and we will be keeping everything crossed for your recovery 💕
Thank you very much for your response! I tried giving him some mushed pellets but he doesn't like it as much, so I will keep feeding him the baby food, unhealthy as it may be.
He is pretty warm and getting slighty more active after I fed him -so that's good!
About the injection, vet made it seem like there was very little room for mistakes with the shot. I asked him if I should still give him the shot and he insisted to continue normally.
I suppose I gave the vet an impression I was knowledgable and I am 18 anyway, but I obviously doubt my skill regarding this since I've never done it before. very strange that your vet gave a 12 y/o girl a responsibility to inject 10ml of fluids into a guinea pig! seems a bit absurd to me.

Vet is called Ido Zuri, based in Ramat Hasharon if anyone is curious at all. he is an avid animal lover and researcher. he owns many tortoises in his garden and his facebook is filled with posts about interesting topics from the animal world, you can tell this guy is authentic and passionate!

Will keep this forum updated, let me know if there is anything else I need to do.
 
Thank you very much for your response! I tried giving him some mushed pellets but he doesn't like it as much, so I will keep feeding him the baby food, unhealthy as it may be.

Do keep trying with the mushed pellets. They need the fibre from mushed pellets or recovery feeds, as veg doesn’t keep the gut functioning in the same way, while they arent eating hay for themselves
 
Do keep trying with the mushed pellets. They need the fibre from mushed pellets or recovery feeds, as veg doesn’t keep the gut functioning in the same way, while they arent eating hay for themselves
He is nibbling on some hay and parsley currently, the Gerber was supposed to be used to kickstart his appetite and it seems to be working somewhat. Feeling optimistic.
 
He is nibbling on some hay and parsley currently, the Gerber was supposed to be used to kickstart his appetite and it seems to be working somewhat. Feeling optimistic.

It’s great he is eating some hay for himself. make sure you weigh him daily while he is recovering so you can be sure he really is eating enough for himself
 
Wow, I mean I have never administered Bupe injection and am trained to microchip animals, even when my cat was on it I had to bring him to a vet for top up shots.. Never had Bupe prescribed to piggies either, only tramadol oral or metacam.
Must be different country and rules. Just make sure you know what to give, when to give and how to give. If unsure, just ask the vet so you're not double dosing.
All the best!
 
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