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Pain when peeing and pooping since bladder stone surgery

Would be worth getting another urine test done. If it comes up negative for bacteria, then maybe an xray is needed. She may have cystitis (urinary track inflammation). A lot of people use a product called Feliway Cystease for cystitis. It ligns the bladder walls with a specific type of glucosamine. It made a difference for my pig who has cystitis. Also may be worth looking into Sherwood Pet Health preventative tablets. She may also need Metacam for inflammation and pain.
Yeah she has had many x rays and ultrasounds and is currently on nutracyst for her glucosamine. She had bladder stone removal a few months ago and seems to have chronic pain and cystitis since. :(
 
Yeah she has had many x rays and ultrasounds and is currently on nutracyst for her glucosamine. She had bladder stone removal a few months ago and seems to have chronic pain and cystitis since. :(
I’m sorry it’s still ongoing. Is she on the maximum amount of pain medication? Some people have used tramadol. Good luck. I hope she’s soon on the mend.
 
Would be worth getting another urine test done. If it comes up negative for bacteria, then maybe an xray is needed. She may have cystitis (urinary track inflammation). A lot of people use a product called Feliway Cystease for cystitis. It ligns the bladder walls with a specific type of glucosamine. It made a difference for my pig who has cystitis. Also may be worth looking into Sherwood Pet Health preventative tablets. She may also need Metacam for inflammation and pain.
Also I’ve looked at those urinary tablets by sherwood before. How are they administered they look like a hard candy to me haha.
 
I’m sorry it’s still ongoing. Is she on the maximum amount of pain medication? Some people have used tramadol. Good luck. I hope she’s soon on the mend.
Yes she’s on metacam as well as gabapentin. I will have to see how she goes and maybe back to the vets again. I just want to be sure I’m not missing any crucial care tips out to help her. Oh it’s so difficult !
 
Yes she’s on metacam as well as gabapentin. I will have to see how she goes and maybe back to the vets again. I just want to be sure I’m not missing any crucial care tips out to help her. Oh it’s so difficult !
Yes it’s so hard to see them unwell. You’re doing a great job. ❤️
 
She is still okay happy and eating but I’m noticing pain again. Which is so so frustrating and upsetting after roughly 2-3 weeks of doing really really well. I wonder if there could have been more bacteria they didn’t find which is why the sulfatrim made her more comfy.
Oh you poor love. It sounds such a familiar situation to our ears. Remember - we had nearly 3 weeks on Septrin (which I think is the same thing - or at least very similar) and then had to have another three weeks to knock out our UTI. If she was well on the sulfatrim and peeing freely might it be worth arranging with the vet to go back onto it to see if it can make a difference again? When she was comfortable on the sulfatrim did she need any painkillers at all? Or did you notice any occasional blood in pee or weight loss? If she is inflamed with a UTI (with blood in pee) she might dripping, in some discomfort, and struggling to get a good flow going. This itself can lead to urine concentrating in the bladder which increases the risk of sludge... but I bet I don't need to tell you that.

It's interesting you mentioned pH as this is something we are wrestling with at the moment with George (who, post-surgery, has some sludge and faintly squeaky wees but is doing OK and has even gained a little weight). George and my girls are on the same diet, George also drinks a ton more water, and yet George is the one with sludge and who has formed 2 big stones. He is 6, but the others are somewhere between 4 and 5 now. BUT his pee is easily pH 9, rather than the pH 8 of the girls. Piggies are supposed to be around 8, maybe a little over, but not 9. And my spider sense is telling me that could be the root of his problem, with the calcium grit (quite likely calcium carbonate) precipitating out of solution as the alkalinity increases. However, a bladder full or pee is not the same as a beaker in the laboratory so who knows how these thing interact.

My vet was concerned about infection - because infection of the urine with certain types of bacteria can indeed raise the pH because they break down some of the urine for nutrients and the products are more alkaline. But George now doesn't show any of the classic signs of infection - particularly as he's not getting worse (touch wood). So we tried cranberry for 5 or 6 days to see if we could flush what may have been sludge and drop that pH to 8. I was giving George 5ml of cranberry juice every morning on one go (followed by a ml or two of water to rinse the mouth). Cranberry juice is surprisingly acidic and gram for gram I'd worked out that this was like a person drinking a pint of it. A sort of cranberry flush! At first he was quite keen but at the end he wasn't into it and just left his mouth open till it mainly rolled back out again. He's an old hand with syringes :roll: It didn't make any noticeable difference to his urine pH at all. In truth I'd have been surprised because I bet it's been tried a lot in the past. The downsides to this are that the acidic juice may well, if used long term, cause sores in the soft tissues of the mouth and b*gger up the digestion. The body as a rule is brilliant at keeping all it's systems the same so an influx of fruity acids might just have prompted a counter-measure of buffering something-or-other to be produced in order to neutralise it. It won't be that simple for George... his kidneys are as old as the rest of him. But it might just be that your little lady's infection has returned and you just need a longer course of sulfatrim to tackle it. Was she eating OK on this? Did you have to support feed? Or could you just dose her and let her get on with things herself. x
 
It's interesting you mentioned pH as this is something we are wrestling with at the moment with George (who, post-surgery, has some sludge and faintly squeaky wees but is doing OK and has even gained a little weight). George and my girls are on the same diet, George also drinks a ton more water, and yet George is the one with sludge and who has formed 2 big stones. He is 6, but the others are somewhere between 4 and 5 now. BUT his pee is easily pH 9, rather than the pH 8 of the girls. Piggies are supposed to be around 8, maybe a little over, but not 9. And my spider sense is telling me that could be the root of his problem, with the calcium grit (quite likely calcium carbonate) precipitating out of solution as the alkalinity increases. However, a bladder full or pee is not the same as a beaker in the laboratory so who knows how these thing interact.

On the Sherwood Urinary Tablets (same ingredients in Sherwood Preventative Tablets) package label, it says it lowers urine pH and dissolves sludge/stones. I would recommend giving this a try prior to any form of surgery. A diet high in vegetables will cause the pH to be high (alkaline). Since this forum is based in the UK, I think it would be wise that everyone had a packet in their emergency kit at least. Just my .02, take it with a grain of salt.
 
For the record - as this thread will be around in perpetuity - I have to say that I've never seen evidence of anything that can 'dissolve stones' in situ in piggies. Nor have any of my vets over the last 10 years. But I do appreciate learning about a product and you'll have to forgive my scepticism. If folks want to have a go with these they are welcome. I might even get a bag in myself as I do want to be open minded!
 
For the record - as this thread will be around in perpetuity - I have to say that I've never seen evidence of anything that can 'dissolve stones' in situ in piggies. Nor have any of my vets over the last 10 years. But I do appreciate learning about a product and you'll have to forgive my scepticism. If folks want to have a go with these they are welcome. I might even get a bag in myself as I do want to be open minded!
You are right to be skeptical.
All of the peer reviewed, scientific research shows that it simply is not possible to dissolve stones, in situ, once they have formed.
The tablets themselves 'claim' to do it, but if you do a bit of fact checking this is simply an unsubstantiated claim which is not backed by proper research, just anecdotal evidence.
I am not saying they don't offer some benefit, but the reality is when Ruby struggled with sludge I switched to the Forum recommended diet, used grain free pellets, and started filtering her water and this 'fixed' the problem.
But that is just my personal take on a situation with one guinea pig.
I have no way of knowing if those steps stopped sludge recurring, or if it was simply a one off incident in the first place!
 
Oh you poor love. It sounds such a familiar situation to our ears. Remember - we had nearly 3 weeks on Septrin (which I think is the same thing - or at least very similar) and then had to have another three weeks to knock out our UTI. If she was well on the sulfatrim and peeing freely might it be worth arranging with the vet to go back onto it to see if it can make a difference again? When she was comfortable on the sulfatrim did she need any painkillers at all? Or did you notice any occasional blood in pee or weight loss? If she is inflamed with a UTI (with blood in pee) she might dripping, in some discomfort, and struggling to get a good flow going. This itself can lead to urine concentrating in the bladder which increases the risk of sludge... but I bet I don't need to tell you that.

It's interesting you mentioned pH as this is something we are wrestling with at the moment with George (who, post-surgery, has some sludge and faintly squeaky wees but is doing OK and has even gained a little weight). George and my girls are on the same diet, George also drinks a ton more water, and yet George is the one with sludge and who has formed 2 big stones. He is 6, but the others are somewhere between 4 and 5 now. BUT his pee is easily pH 9, rather than the pH 8 of the girls. Piggies are supposed to be around 8, maybe a little over, but not 9. And my spider sense is telling me that could be the root of his problem, with the calcium grit (quite likely calcium carbonate) precipitating out of solution as the alkalinity increases. However, a bladder full or pee is not the same as a beaker in the laboratory so who knows how these thing interact.

My vet was concerned about infection - because infection of the urine with certain types of bacteria can indeed raise the pH because they break down some of the urine for nutrients and the products are more alkaline. But George now doesn't show any of the classic signs of infection - particularly as he's not getting worse (touch wood). So we tried cranberry for 5 or 6 days to see if we could flush what may have been sludge and drop that pH to 8. I was giving George 5ml of cranberry juice every morning on one go (followed by a ml or two of water to rinse the mouth). Cranberry juice is surprisingly acidic and gram for gram I'd worked out that this was like a person drinking a pint of it. A sort of cranberry flush! At first he was quite keen but at the end he wasn't into it and just left his mouth open till it mainly rolled back out again. He's an old hand with syringes :roll: It didn't make any noticeable difference to his urine pH at all. In truth I'd have been surprised because I bet it's been tried a lot in the past. The downsides to this are that the acidic juice may well, if used long term, cause sores in the soft tissues of the mouth and b*gger up the digestion. The body as a rule is brilliant at keeping all it's systems the same so an influx of fruity acids might just have prompted a counter-measure of buffering something-or-other to be produced in order to neutralise it. It won't be that simple for George... his kidneys are as old as the rest of him. But it might just be that your little lady's infection has returned and you just need a longer course of sulfatrim to tackle it. Was she eating OK on this? Did you have to support feed? Or could you just dose her and let her get on with things herself. x
Hello, thank you for your support. You have offered me so much advice with my poppy. She was much more comfy when she was on sulfatrim. The blood stopped whether this was a coincidence or not we don’t know. She did still have pain relief but she wasn’t in any near as much pain as before. She was eating well and didn’t require syringe feeding. She has had syringe feeds for the past 10 days however to support her on the doxy, no weight loss. I’m so very sorry your having problems with your precious boy. It’s truly a horrible problem to have. Every day I’m on edge thinking how will be be today? I have a funny feeling Poppy’s PH was a 9, but I may be wrong as the PH was initially tested when the stone was diagnosed and I was a huge mess and that day feels like a blurr! I too want to try her back on the sulfatrim which I believe is the same as septrim. But the vet who’s been dealing with our case is off for a week. So that’s a bit tricky. She seems comfier when weeing today but still sometimes squeaks when pooping. It’s strange I could sit next to them whilst I have dinner and no sounds of pain when she poops. But squeals when pooping on my lap. Poor little thing. I’m a bit of a worried mess. I will say actually at the time of the urine reading a PH of 9. She had a bladder biopsy done the same week and no infection. I really wish there was more out there on piggies and their bladders. There seems to be so much more out there for dog and cat urinary crystals😭
That’s interesting and I’m sure helpful to everyone reading that the cranberry juice made no difference. I’ve read on here some people using it and others saying theirs no point. Oh only if there was a simple fix!🤣
 
It's a heart-breaking problem to be sure. George has been doing OK since his sludgy outbreak. He's been drinking a lot of water each evening and this does seem to have been flushing him through. If he has formed another stone it's not too much of a problem right now. Since we beat off the stubborn UTI there's been no blood in his pee, and his removed stone was perfectly round like a marble! Other pigs have had much pointier stones - I can see how that would have been far more painful.
Whatever the cause of her discomfort you have at least seen that one thing - using the sulfatrim - seemed to coincide with her feeling a lot better, and it didn't upset her eating. Maybe it was just a coincidence, but if she goes back on it again the worst that can happen is that she won't feel any better - but the best case would be that you see that improvement in her again and maybe on the same timescale. And if you do, get the vet to keep her on it for longer. George had a urine sample sent off for analysis when we could get to the vet but he'd already started Septrin for the second time and had been on it for 4 days by then. The sample (not a sterile 'catch' even) came back negative for bacteria... maybe not so surprising, except that we already knew he had to be on it a really long time to clear all trace and stop the infection returning. He'd had to been taking it for 5 days to stop seeing the blood tint to his pee! So there must have been some bacteria in there - not enough to detect - but enough to regrow and reinfect if he was taken off the AB too soon. Hmmmm. It's a puzzle alright.
Cranberry is an interesting one. I think it probably makes more difference to people because our urine is so variable anyway, as a result of us being omnivores. But there's also meant to be something in it that blocks some types of gut bacteria (E. coli if I remember right) from attaching so well to the lining of the bladder. Maybe it does make a little bit of a difference to pigs - but just not enough of a difference to be able to rely on.

I think you could certainly pitch your case for a return to sulfatrim to your vet(s) via an e-mail and see what they say. Include the info about her eating well on it too - and any weight info you might have. They may want you to come in for an exam before they approve it but it allows them time to ponder the situation and maybe have a little conflab. Or they may just put up a 'script for collection from the surgery - we've had that before if things have been an ongoing issue. Brave girl Poppy x
 
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