I can't believe it!

Oh, and a yucktastic update on Pennyroyal's bladder infection! One concern was that the accompanying sludge might remain in her bladder. Lucky for us, the sludge is clearly exiting the pig! Every morning I've been wiping her bottom down with a warm washcloth, because she's crusted in sticky, mineral gunk - I called the vet to confirm what it was. Better out than in. I bet she feels so much more comfortable.
 

Attachments

  • 20220105_135241.webp
    20220105_135241.webp
    111.2 KB · Views: 23
Well, I don't think we'll be mite treating en masse - I checked the email receipt for what 3 doses of mite treatment for Pepper cost and it was like $80. I can definitely treat anyone who actually has mites or signs of mites (so far I haven't found anything) but over $2,000 to treat pigs who probably don't actually have mites is a bit rich. I was expecting a few hundred but yeah. I'd rather save that money for other vet bills.

So Pepper and her mites are going to have to stay apart. 😕 I'll make sure to give her plenty of human attention so she doesn't get too awful lonely. (Going to have to treat her like a biohazard and wash hands/change clothes before handling other pigs.) I'm going to try not to worry about them accepting her back as their alpha. She is incredibly bold and assertive, she should be able to reinsert herself into the hierarchy. I mean, she only weighs 750 grams - she gets by on sheer personality.
 
I spent about 20 minutes working through Pepper's fur with a lice comb and didn't find any critters at all. Looks like the mite medication is working, excellent. I've also gotten her out of the cage several times to give her some interaction and that seems to have brightened up her demeanor. She'll ride around on my chest or shoulder while I do stuff around the house one-handed, or simply sit on my lap for a long while while I pet her head or brush her. What a sweetie.

Penny has aquired the ignoble nickname "Stinky Pig" from my roommates. I scrubbed her bottom and washed her fur extra good this morning, but she's still kinda aromatic. It doesn't seem it can be helped right now. I might try giving her a full bath, she's never needed one before but yeah, Stinky Pig.

Dandelion must have had a stuffy nose that is now unstuffed thanks to the antibiotics, the snot is flowing and he is doing a lot of vigorous zooming. His nose looks all gross and wet now, but again, better out than in.

So yeah, my morning was all about wiping stinky butts and snotty noses and checking for lice, it's almost as icky as having human children, LOL.

At least the other pigs are being easy right now. Nutmeg is such a silly goose, always sitting on top of her blue house. I can't believe she fell asleep drooping over the edge like that. 😂
 

Attachments

  • 20220105_125355.webp
    20220105_125355.webp
    92.7 KB · Views: 6
  • 20220105_125421.webp
    20220105_125421.webp
    62.3 KB · Views: 5
  • 20220106_114238.webp
    20220106_114238.webp
    114.3 KB · Views: 7
  • 20220106_114224.webp
    20220106_114224.webp
    72.3 KB · Views: 9
Some rough news... I was at the vet from eight in the evening until one o' clock in the morning with Pennyroyal.

After finishing her course of antibiotics, she seemed okay for a couple days, but now has taken a sharp turn for the worse. I was continuing to give her wipe-downs and bottom baths, but it wasn't enough, and she developed urine scald on her shaved belly and her genitalia. She was experiencing pain and discomfort in the area and must have completely stopped cleaning herself...

Yesterday evening I was going to clip everyone's nails, take everyone's weight, and do other routine care things. Penny was the second pig I picked up and I immediately thought she didn't look right. I'd seen her underside briefly just that morning and didn't notice anything then so it must have progressed to a scald very rapidly.

As a result of the scalding, she has an open necrotic wound around her vulva. I feel so horrible I didn't catch it any sooner or bathe her even more but I didn't know. I was actually worried I was bathing her too much.

So the vet debrided her wound (they used a local anesthetic but I could still hear Penny screaming from the lobby 😭) and if the tissue death progresses any more over the next couple of days, they can put her under and do a deeper debriding.

I am giving her meloxicam and a stronger antibiotic, applying a cream to her wound, and I'm about to give her the first of many iodine baths. I also managed to funnel some critical care into her - she is actually eating hay and drinking water like a champ but I figured some fortified food wouldn't hurt. Between the iodine baths I'm going to be giving her lots of warm water baths as well.

I've got her isolated and I'm going to be keeping her cage as super clean as I can by using puppy pads and fleece and changing them out every few hours. I'm taking her with me everywhere so I can monitor her - right now we're chilling at my boyfriend's place. It's nice and quiet here and she seems pretty comfortable.

The vet says her prognosis is "guarded" until we see how she responds to the medications. Basically if I do everything right, she has a decent chance and it will hopefully be worth putting her through such pain. I really really really hope she makes it through this.
 

Attachments

  • 20220117_115547.webp
    20220117_115547.webp
    86.4 KB · Views: 12
It’s a good thing you are such an attentive owner and picked it up so quickly.
Poor Pennyroyal.
Hope the wound heals without the need for further debriding.
Holding you in my thoughts
 
It’s a good thing you are such an attentive owner and picked it up so quickly.
Poor Pennyroyal.
Hope the wound heals without the need for further debriding.
Holding you in my thoughts

Thank you. That means a lot. 💛

I wish I'd caught it even sooner but I think the only sign before the wound opened was a bit of swelling, which I was going to ask about at her follow-up in a couple days, but that was too late.

I didn't really familiarize myself with what urine scald could look like because I thought it only happened due to neglect/a very dirty cage. But apparently if their bottom is uncomfortable enough they may just stop grooming and sit in their own pee. 😣 I could tell the vet was tactfully trying to figure out if I ever cleaned their cages at all!
 
Poor Pennyroyal that must be so sore and uncomfortable. You shouldn't feel bad cos as noticed there was a problem you were straight to the vets to get the care she needed. You are doing your best. You are a very caring owner going above and beyond what a lot of people would do. Hope she gets on OK.
 
Things are looking promising, I think the bathing and medicine are already starting to pay off. The vet said the key thing over the next day or two would be how much the wound "declares" itself, i.e. how much flesh is going to die and if the necrosis stays contained.

I gave Penny her first bath of the morning right after I woke up, and I saw that there is now a very clear demarcation between the healthy, living tissue and the tissue that has died. It looks to me like it's not very bad and she will be able to just have another minor debridement tomorrow with local anesthetic. The tissue that is alive and healthy looks to me like it is going to stay alive and healthy - it's not too swollen or angry looking.

She is so funny taking her little warm baths in a brownie tin inside the kitchen sink. She doesn't try to hop out. I give her massages while she soaks and she just closes her eyes and goes limp like she's having a spa day.
 
Penny has made a wonderful recovery. She's almost ready to be returned to her herd, I believe. Her wound is like 95% healed and no longer seems to be bothering her. She's been working hard on regaining her body condition now - she's been absolutely devouring hay and chugging water, as well as jogging in little circles. 😂 I'm so relieved.
 
I have some glad news and some very unhappy news... (tw: loss.)

----

To our great sadness, we have lost Pepper to what was most likely an aggressive cancer. 😭She was not quite 4 years old. It's hard for me to talk about the details, but the vet assured us there was nothing that could have been done. She had been to the same vet office only about four weeks earlier and gotten a clean bill of health, besides those couple of mites. She just deteriorated very rapidly and was already passing away on her own when I had her put to sleep. I miss her very much. We had a lovely memorial for her and buried her in a plant pot with a pretty orange-flowered succulent. (I didn't want to put her in the actual ground because I wanted to be able to take her with me wherever I go.) Ugh, I can't type any more about Pepper, it's too sad for me.

The happier news is that I'm going to be emergency fostering two pregnant piggies (who were rescued off the literal street corner.) Someone is bringing them to me tonight. I'm going to care for them until they give birth and then try to find nice homes for all of the babies and hopefully the mothers too. I'll open a pregnancy thread in the appropriate section once I get a look at them. I'm told they are pretty far along. It's very exciting, I hope they will all make it through okay. I don't have any C&C cage space for them, but I figure I can make do by setting playpens up around the travel cages and letting them be out most of the time. It's certainly better than being out on the street. 😬

(My ex sent me this picture of Pepper getting excited about food that she took a few days before she died. She was such a good piggy girl.)
 

Attachments

  • IMG_1139(1).webp
    IMG_1139(1).webp
    52.9 KB · Views: 16
I’m so sad you lost Pepper. What a beautiful piggy she was. She had a wonderful life with all her companions abd that is all we can do for our piggies. Take care of yourself as you will be busy with the new Mums. I hope all goes ok 🥰
 
Well, life has been going on, as it does. But piggies remain a constant, ha.

Me and my boyfriend decided to break up. To be more precise, I'm leaving him for someone else. So I've really rocked the boat this time. 😅 I have a history of staying in relationships past their expiry date, so this was a pretty wild move for me...

Obviously this disrupts my rather fragile arrangement, where I was mostly living with him and going around the corner to my ex's place to tend to the animals. But my new plan for me, my doggo, my fish, and and my piggies will be much more stable. 😊

I asked my mom and grandmother if I could move back home while I complete my college degree. They are happy to have me. We are going to convert the largely-unused garage into a a bedroom/study/piggy room for me, already got an estimate from the handyman and everything. My new boyfriend also happens to be an exceptionally handy guy who does carpentry and stuff, so we're going to pay him to do a lot of the work and I'll be helping him out.

This project is likely going to take at least a month from start to finish, but my ex has invited me to stay with her and all my animals again in the meanwhile.

But what all this means is I have the perfect opportunity to design and implement the most SUPER ULTIMATE CUSTOM PIGGY HABITAT! 😁 It's going to be great. I'm sketching up different ideas today. It'll be more accessible, more fun, and more solid than their current habitat. Life has been complicated lately, but I cannot complain.
 
I'm thinking we're going to build something inspired by the tall enclosure below. 🤔 It's gonna take a a lot of plywood...

It would be 4 levels like the image, approximately 14 feet long, and 3 feet deep (or however far back I can comfortably reach to clean.)

It would be made of 8 or 12 modular/stackable pieces... maybe they could even be made to pull out like drawers? That would be cool. I'd also like to install some full-spectrum LEDs for each level.

I'm also thinking I'll want a wide step ladder, something that makes it simple to catch pigs on the upper level. I'm not sure what to call it, but some kind of sliding, pig-herding gizmo would be great too... I think they use something like what I'm picturing to move farm animals along. Basically a moveable barrier that I could use to gently gather a whole herd of pigs towards one end of the cage for easy pick-up.

While we're at it I'm sure we can make some little cubbies and platforms and ramps, too.
 

Attachments

  • faeba775d0064629b26c7c364de02e91--guinea-pig-cages-guinea-pigs.webp
    faeba775d0064629b26c7c364de02e91--guinea-pig-cages-guinea-pigs.webp
    65.2 KB · Views: 9
Other developments in pig-habitat design...

Rather than full drawers, we're now thinking deep slide-out trays that can be completely removed. If the units are small enough, I should be able to just take the trays outside, turn them upside down, and bin or compost the bedding. Man that sounds sooo much quicker than what I'm doing now - scooping everything out with dustpans. It'll also save plastic by avoiding the intermediate step of putting everything in garbage bags to be hauled off.

To be light/manageable enough for that, it's actually going to need to be made of 16 units. That would make them 3.5 x 3 feet each, or about the size of a 3 grid x 2.5 grid C&C.

At that size, instead of a sliding herding device, the ability to drop a barrier of some kind between each unit should do the trick. Just don't want to be running up and down the 14 foot length of it trying to nab a speedy pig who's feeling contrary! (I'm looking at you, Daisy...)

I'm also researching paint. I'm very fond of Annie Sloan chalk paint and wax finish, which are marketed as toy-safe/okay for babies to put in their mouths/no harmful VOC fumes. I'll likely paint at least the outside walls. It seems like painting and waxing the entire thing could be a good way to get a slick, cleanable surface though. Just wondering if the pigs will gnaw on it and ruin the look... perhaps if there are no easily accessible, tasty-looking edges, they won't start on it? Would love to hear from anyone with a wooden enclosure.

I'm also pondering front wall height and material. They seem to have used a short plexiglass wall in the above example, but I wonder if I'd just be wiping that down constantly or if it would block airflow too much. And I'd have to hang the water bottles elsewhere somehow. It does look nice though.

I have a bazillion C&C grids so of course I could use those. I was kind of wanting something shorter though. Unless they're secretly doing pull-ups from the ceilings at night, I doubt they'd be able to haul those fat butts over even a 9" wall.

I want to have enough clearance to be able to easily reach over the barrier to give them head pats, but also be able to situationally cover the top gaps so my dog can't stick his nose in there and slobber on them. Maybe half-grids that flip up, with something to hook them on so it's hands-free. (But not sooo much clearance that the topmost level becomes impractically high up... though good steps would boost the upper limit a bit. I'd like to still have some usable storage space on top as well.)

At 3 to 3.5 square feet per pig, I could house 12 to 14 pigs on each of the three main 14'x3' levels. The fourth level would be divided into two 7'x3' sections, so I could house two pairs of boars there, or a pair of boars and six sows. My total housing capacity would then be 40-50 pigs. Not counting my rolling cage which I'll be keeping around, it makes a good hospital or holding area.

After the 3 younger babies go to their adoptive homes (still need a home for one little boar, the other two have homes lined up) I'll have 29 pigs. Actually that's a lie, 4 more adult pigs are coming sometime this week. I got asked if I could take them several weeks ago and I had to say no, since my roommates and then-boyfriend were fed up and I was out of permanent housing space. But now that's all soon to be irrelevant and apparently they are still looking for a home despite search efforts. All my vet bills are paid off, and I'm going to have more money freed up each month once I'm moved in with family, so yeah, I can't think of a reason to say no, since I'm a masochist and kinda like clipping millions of little toenails.

So 33 pigs in total. I'll save the other pig-shaped spaces for the most desperate/urgent situations that crop up, fostering, or for older/lone pigs who have been waiting too long for a home. It would be nice to have a fixed boar for each of the two sow herds that don't have one yet. I also wouldn't mind helping out some pregnant sows again, since it's been relatively easy to find homes for the young pups. We'll see what comes along.

The woman who adopted the 2 baby boys is also going to put me in touch with a friend of hers who started two local nonprofit cat rescues. I'm going to at least look into the possibilty of making this circus an official nonprofit microbusiness of some kind. The main perks of that would be tax benefits and legitimacy - it would make it simpler to fundraise, and I'm told if you're a business, you can, for example, call places such as pet stores and ask to hold adoption events there. Could be worthwhile.

Random thought, I'm getting pretty darn good at nail clips, hair cuts, brushing, baths, etc. I've heard of places doing grooms in exchange for donations. I could pay my niece to help me out. She's 16, loves holding the pigs. Heck, even if I'm just grooming my resident pigs, I should probably hire her.
 
Nutmeg is zonked out in this momentary patch of sunshine. Such a good hippopig. 😍

I went ahead and hired my niece to come by once or twice a month and help me with piggy grooming. I told her I'd give her $50 for an afternoon of work and she said that was plenty, she "would do anything for the piggies!" 😆

The four new sows are coming tomorrow! They've been getting passed around and living in laundry baskets, travel cages, baby playpens and wherever else for the last few weeks. I'm sure they will be pleased to have a settled, quiet spot.
 

Attachments

  • 20220324_113939.webp
    20220324_113939.webp
    82.4 KB · Views: 12
I took some pig selfies while I was cleaning and shuffling herds around today, ha. Also got a random shot of a wild Peach! The phone camera consistently spooks her so she's hard to snap a candid picture of.

I'm told the four piggies that are coming soon appear to be having a major falling-out despite having adequate space at the moment. There's a big Peruvian girl who is aggressing the others and pulling out a lot of fur - I think she's been separated for now. Bring it on, large grumpy Peruvian!
 

Attachments

  • 20220324_190536.webp
    20220324_190536.webp
    26.8 KB · Views: 5
  • 20220324_201420.webp
    20220324_201420.webp
    51.8 KB · Views: 5
  • 20220324_203153.webp
    20220324_203153.webp
    19.9 KB · Views: 8
Oh boy, we did good work today! My niece came over and we did all the foot and nail care for the whole colony, plus some other miscellaneous grooming as needed. Now they'll all be on the same coordinated schedule.

It took us about five hours, but we were doodling around a whole lot snuggling pigs and taking pictures of pigs. I think we could do it in half that time and still get snuggles in, or even quicker if I rounded up all the pigs beforehand. A disproportionate amount of time was spent trying to capture one or two pigs who weren't in the mood to be picked up. 😑 (DAISY...)

Plus, over half an hour of that was spent giving Sylvie some advanced foot TLC. She has a lot of trouble with funky calluses as well as some nails that overgrow strangely. (I've seen the same thing before on a kitty - it's like the nails don't shed old layers properly, and thus become thick, misshapen, and potentially ingrown.) I'd been keeping things pared and sanded down as per the vet's advice, but I was afraid of hurting her and thus probably being too conservative, as her assorted feet creepies would always grow right back.

So this time I bit the bullet and scrubbed and clipped and peeled away at Sylvie's little feeties and nails as deeply and aggressively as I thought was safe in hopes of correcting things in a more lasting way. And she LOVED it. She went into a limp, hypnotic state and laid belly-up on my lap for all of it. She could clearly tell we were trying to help her out.

Something I did must have relieved discomfort for her - she gave me the most amazing thank you! I've had pigs give me an affectionate lick here and there before, but she was lapping at my hand like a puppy and grooming me. 😭 I'm so glad you feel better, Sylvie.

I'm upset to know that her feet must have been bothering her this whole time, but now I have a much better idea of how zealous I can be about it without hurting her. It appears I can trust she will squeak if I'm even getting close to living tissue. And that all that abnormal growth is more dead and insensitive than it may appear. So we are going to keep on scrubbing down those pawpads and nails one session at a time until we hopefully find some completely normal, happy pig feet.

If this routine doesn't set things straight, maybe I'll ask the vet if it's possible or advisable to put her under briefly and like, completely debride or chemically peel her paw pads? I know they offer an experimental corrective surgery for severely abnormal nails that are causing pain, where they will cut nails down to the base to encourage them to grow out normally again.
 

Attachments

  • 20220325_190128.webp
    20220325_190128.webp
    43.8 KB · Views: 9
What a brave girl Sylvie is. :wub:
Tessy starts squeaking if she sense the nail clipper coming close sometimes. I haven't even touched her and she is screaming at the top of her lungs.
 
Oh boy, we did good work today! My niece came over and we did all the foot and nail care for the whole colony, plus some other miscellaneous grooming as needed. Now they'll all be on the same coordinated schedule.

It took us about five hours, but we were doodling around a whole lot snuggling pigs and taking pictures of pigs. I think we could do it in half that time and still get snuggles in, or even quicker if I rounded up all the pigs beforehand. A disproportionate amount of time was spent trying to capture one or two pigs who weren't in the mood to be picked up. 😑 (DAISY...)

Plus, over half an hour of that was spent giving Sylvie some advanced foot TLC. She has a lot of trouble with funky calluses as well as some nails that overgrow strangely. (I've seen the same thing before on a kitty - it's like the nails don't shed old layers properly, and thus become thick, misshapen, and potentially ingrown.) I'd been keeping things pared and sanded down as per the vet's advice, but I was afraid of hurting her and thus probably being too conservative, as her assorted feet creepies would always grow right back.

So this time I bit the bullet and scrubbed and clipped and peeled away at Sylvie's little feeties and nails as deeply and aggressively as I thought was safe in hopes of correcting things in a more lasting way. And she LOVED it. She went into a limp, hypnotic state and laid belly-up on my lap for all of it. She could clearly tell we were trying to help her out.

Something I did must have relieved discomfort for her - she gave me the most amazing thank you! I've had pigs give me an affectionate lick here and there before, but she was lapping at my hand like a puppy and grooming me. 😭 I'm so glad you feel better, Sylvie.

I'm upset to know that her feet must have been bothering her this whole time, but now I have a much better idea of how zealous I can be about it without hurting her. It appears I can trust she will squeak if I'm even getting close to living tissue. And that all that abnormal growth is more dead and insensitive than it may appear. So we are going to keep on scrubbing down those pawpads and nails one session at a time until we hopefully find some completely normal, happy pig feet.

If this routine doesn't set things straight, maybe I'll ask the vet if it's possible or advisable to put her under briefly and like, completely debride or chemically peel her paw pads? I know they offer an experimental corrective surgery for severely abnormal nails that are causing pain, where they will cut nails down to the base to encourage them to grow out normally again.
So glad Sylvie’s feet are feeling better.
Good for grasping the nettle and doing it.
 
Sylvie is so very brave, I told her so! 🥰 It's funny, she's normally largely indifferent to human contact, she's a pig who could take it or leave it, but apparently pedicures are her *jam.* And I was a bit proud of myself too (for the nettle-grasping as you say). It was nervewracking basically peeling layers off such a delicate small creature. 😬

My niece was super patient and helpful with each and every piggy. The pigs have always been madly in love with her for some reason - they've only seen her a few times, but even the oldest sows will start popcorning it up when she graces them with her presence! No idea what it is about her, she doesn't serve them food or anything.

While we were clipping nails, she quickly discovered a way to put her finger behind their pig elbows and magically keep them from retracting their legs into their fat rolls like turtles. So nifty. I've been foolishly holding them by their wrists all this time.

Oh, plus she got Buttercup to stop screeching and relax, which was a world's first! 😱 Buttercup has screamed her lungs out and struggled every single time I've held her, and I mean the whole time. She doesn't dislike or fear people, she simply does NOT like having her eggplanty body touched. Buttercup's previous human had known her from birth and told me she has been this way since day one. My niece performed some kind of pig whispering spellcraft and after a minute or two of hoarse yelling, Buttercup shut up and melted into a pancake. It was great, should have gotten a picture.

Here's pictures of her with Peach and Sage instead. (I love how Sage has so much silly chin fat, man it's cute.) We were listening to music while we worked and after we finished grooming each pig, she'd guide them through some wiggly dance moves to celebrate. I told her "Well, that pig doesn't mind, but don't expect all of them to dance for you!" They all danced without objection.
 

Attachments

  • 20220325_170752.webp
    20220325_170752.webp
    40.6 KB · Views: 5
  • 20220325_165821.webp
    20220325_165821.webp
    23.9 KB · Views: 5
Back
Top