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Flurolaner for Mites - Is this Medication OK?

I can't tell what that is - and I'm wondering whether the vet has given you this household spray because that's something they routinely give to people with dogs and cats who get parasites. Dogs and cats are often all over people's houses and beds and clothes so things can drop off them. And they can pick up stuff like ticks which people have to be a bit careful about. It seems a bit of a belt and braces approach for guinea pig 'passengers'. I've never heard of a spray being given to a piggy owner before so at first I was thinking "Wow - what could they suspect? Some new piggy bug?" but now I still can't help but think that it's something pretty standard and the vet is covering all bases (perhaps while they get advice off someone senior as to exactly what's going on). There's definitely something on that hair... if it wasn't moving maybe it's an egg but there's also something called 'static lice' (pretty harmless) so presumably the adult lice just sit around too!

I know you and the kids might feel itchy but have you actually seen anything in your hair? Because if you happen to have people-nits anyway it could just be a bit of a coincidence. Or have you seen any rashes or spots on your skin? Or is it just a general sense of itchiness which may be related to anxiety about this? After that cat flea trauma I wouldn't blame you! (Though I think after 5 years you'd be on very safe ground) I got itchy a couple years back and it drove me nuts but it turned out it was 'just' my age: dropping oestrogen causes horrible itching in some people. I spent weeks in increasing discomfort thinking it was my imagination because I don't get allergies or anything. The soles of my feet itched when I walked. My legs itched as I sat. My gums itched when I ate! Finally it drove me to the GP who suggested a one-a-day antihistamine (loratidine) and it worked like a charm. Who knew! Davina never told us about that in her menopause documentary.
Well they say you learn something new everyday and that’s one to add to my worry menopause list which I’m absolutely dreading even at 31 from what I have researched that must have been very unsettling I’m glad you got to the bottom of it makes you wonder what other side effects not just from the menopause but lots of health issues can cause that aren’t recognised 😞 but yeah any itching of rashes these things you would suspect if you have pets would be them causing sometimes.

I honestly don’t know what to do my house is like a circus 3 girls under 10 who love to have everything on the floor and one who has about 50 teddy’s all over the house clothes everywhere this is how bad I am now anything fabric soft that touches the carpet I feel has to be washed repeatedly hoovering waiting to use spray until I know what’s happening with pigs seems a waste of time to use it before treating pigs if need be great time of year to be airing house all day just lucky the kids can be in school when I do it. (Apologies for all the negativity here not feeling too great) I’m waiting on vet calling I’m going to reach out to the exotic vet Yvonneblue has given me and see if they can shine some light on things but to be told by one vet yes it’s a more but I can’t tell you which type… then by another she just have never seen this bug found yesterday and she believes the previous vets mite is an egg (with legs) I’m just baffled and quite upset having paid £57 pound to have almost been sent home being told there was nothing on them if I hadn’t pushed to try and find something one more time before we left the bugs wouldn’t have been found this isn’t good enough and this is the same vets who sent my sister home with a kitten saying it did not have fleas who I then looked after straight away for 2 weeks and had to rip up carpets due to such a bad flea infestation it’s just not good enough I’m at breaking point and I can’t even rehome my pigs because I don’t know anyone close by I trust to have them I really don’t want to but I also can’t keep paying these vet charges and treatments that aren’t working treatments for my home now I’ve even bought a shark Hoover £200 to help the situation ugh sorry boring moaning long chat here but thank you very much @Free Ranger for all the support and anyone else who’s gotten in touch it’s nice when your feeling stressed to have someone to talk to thank you 🙏 x
 
I think the spray maybe given as I mentioned how unwell I felt and was worried about the house as I had found a tiny white spider looking bug near my fire place so I’m thinking she gave me the spray maybe to help me feel better I hope! Instead of her being concerned they might be running wild round house.

I am extremely gutted having just called Ashleigh’s vets @YvonneBlue as they said they can’t help me at all without seeing the pigs they won’t even look at the bug pictures 😩😞 but thank you for giving me the information and @Free Ranger suggesting the idea it was worth a go I could try and find an exotic vet closer by thanks again guys x
 
Right that makes much more sense if she saw how freaked you are by this situation she might have just been trying to make you feel better. Although it actually seems to have made you feel worse. I'm looking at that photo and thinking, "Some sort of standard fur mite - not to much of a bother for the pigs - there'll be something to kill 'them off once the vet's sorted themselves out. No bother for humans, no bother for the household." Obvs I'm not a vet and I can't come up there and have a squizz or a rake through your hair, bless you. But that's kind of how it's looking from the outside - the only solidly unusual thing about your posts is that Xeno-450 doesn't seem to have worked and it's such a reliable workhorse at the right concentration. Resistance can happen though - that's why other things have been invented too. But you're having sooo much anxiety over all this and I really feel for you because I've been there.

You sound to me like you're in the same mental health position I was in when we got the moths. You're really upset and feel itchy and distressed and worrying about the kids (the kids are doing just fine) and all the piles of their cr*p that mean so much to them and which I bet right now you'd happily set fire to! And you can't get a break or see a way out of it and it all feels like the end of the world 😟

So, story time... or maybe confession time because I haven't posted this whole tale before...

I'd been preoccupied with our little crawling things downstairs which I could quite clearly see all over the downstairs - that's 4 rooms with hard flooring. In the cupboards and everything. In the kitchen corners, but not in the food. On the walls and the TV screen. Not on us or the pigs or the kids or clothes or washing etc. I didn't feel itchy because they weren't that sort of thing. It was annoying, but even at the time I recalled that we'd had these things on and off for a year or so because I'd been seeing them around and casually squishing them and not bothering. It was that the numbers did suddenly seem to go up. Possibly a spate of warm, damp weather or maybe a bit of rising damp in the dining room which we did have at some point - but I can't quite remember. It's a crumbly old house. So it was a pain in the buns and pretty tiring cleaning round but I was fine for a few weeks. But then finding the moths upstairs was too much, and I totally freaked out and ended up in therapy for a couple of months. Upstairs had been my sanctuary, because the carpets prevented the bugs from getting up there so once I was upstairs my head could have a rest and I could relax. We used to lay in bed, me and the kids, and watch Sooty. It was about all my tired old brain could cope with. We all like Sooty and I used to go to sleep ridiculously early then kind hubs would put the kids to bed.

The therapist said that the problem was caused by a sort of OCD - which I didn't have any history of but apparently it can happen to anyone, if you have a big enough shock! Then you end up with a sort of PTSD. My cleaning efforts (which in the end made little difference) were a repetitive behavior which reinforced the worry and meant that I was trapped in the cycle of trying to get everything 'de-bugged' so I could feel safe from infestation. Tbh I could have left the dust and just sprayed round the skirting boards with Insectrol - not all up the walls and over the floors or anything, just round the edges of the rooms. That would have easily been enough (tho the moths did require a professional to save the stair carpet) Of course as a housewife (albeit not a very good one) you clean round a lot anyway and that was the nub of the problem. My OCD behaviour wasn't a superstitious tapping 3 times on something that could be avoided, it was just my normal daily activities but with the stakes raised - in my mind raised a mile high, because I was dealing with a scuttling unknown and I had young children. Who, I might add, can't remember anything about any of this - not even the bit when I piled up all the furniture into the middle of every room in the house, gave the pigs to my friend for the weekend, and moved us all into a hotel while the spray man came round. He'd just said he'd spray round the edges of the rooms and to stay out the house for a couple hours till it dried. He did say he'd never seen anything quite like that before - he had quite the tale to tell back at the office! Especially as he had to come round two weeks later, and two weeks later again to complete the course so to speak and I did exactly the same each time. Of course, the first spray killed everything straight off - in practical terms that was job done. But it took me a good year to get back to normal. I won't lie - it was a horrible time. But I remembered it with a shudder as "that time we got infested" and hubs remembers it vaguely as "that time mum went a bit funny" which about sums it up. Now we're some years on that's how I remember it too.

The microbiologist in me knows fear of infestation is a sort of primal fear people have whether they realise it or not, to help us avoid getting diseases, which is why our primal brain raises the stakes so high. We saw it during Covid - particularly with the Vax/anti-Vax arguments. I know someone who was quite convinced they could only avoid Covid by washing all their fruit in hot soapy water which made all their apples taste of Fairy Liquid. Once the idea is burned hard enough into those neurons you're stuck with it. The 'cure' is difficult because it's basically thinking about something else until the stress wears off - which can take months. Then the scary neuron superhighway is diluted by all the little by-roads of other daily thoughts. Talking it through can help. Reason can help a lot - although your panicking brain has to hear it from someone like Chris Whitty to be swayed. If you imagine walking down a well-trodden, muddy, sunken country path (in the wrong shoes) we look to the edges of the path for the drier bits and try to straddle onto there. Or sidle up along the sloping grassy bank gingerly hanging onto the barbed wire fence to avoid the deep sludge. But it's really hard, and inevitably at some point we slip and slide back down into the mud. The pull is always there and it's a struggle. But we must keep trying, and it gets easier as you get used to the terrain. We can get through it despite our unpleasant thoughts.

The thing I kept going back to was that I like to garden, and I go camping. The outdoors is alive with all sorts of critters running over you but I felt 'safer' crawling about in the soil than in my own dining room. In our front room there are old floorboards and beneath those it's just soil! But I wasn't too bothered about that either because things are 'supposed' to live in soil and outside. It didn't make any sense. I knew it was me going wrong - I just had to keep taking a day at a time. Even in the hotel I was checking round the edges of the rooms for anything that might invade our bags! I mean who does that? The therapist, after an initial chat, always guided the sessions onto some other topic completely. She was a clever girl.

Houses used to be crawling with all sorts in the old days which is why traditional shops sell things like mouse bait, moth traps, fly paper and insect spray. I just had to get to 35 before I realised that. By all means have a spray round the fireplace if you'll feel better about things. Have a bit of a spray round the skirting if you like. And I'm sure you regularly check everyone for headlice with little kids anyway. But I would lay cold hard cash on whatever is on your piggies having nothing to do with any itching you might be feeling. Piggy parasites don't live on people. The only time people who post on here have a problem is if a pig gets the itchy fungal infection called ringworm (it's not a worm). My son caught it when he was accidentally scratched by one of our first pigs. We saw a very clear round red ring - hence the name - about as big as a 2p, and it itched him sometimes. A tube of cream cleared it in a jiffy and there was no aftermath and it was all fine. We've had pig lice (the running sort) and pigs mites - even the serious one sometimes referred to as 'walking dandruff' and we've never caught anything. Only the pigs have been itchy. We've kept pigs 10 years, there are folks on here who had pigs much longer, there are folks who volunteer in pig rescues and are exposed to all sorts of things when those poor piggies first come in, and I've not heard of anyone who said they caught mites or lice from guinea pigs. Saying that, sometimes people have developed allergies to their fur or to their hay. But you have to think, "Did I start to feel itchy when I got the pigs or when we got this new hay, or was it only when I realised they might have passengers?" Only you can answer that question.

Maybe that helps a bit? If you think it's something more physical than anxiety (not 'just' anxiety, because bl**dy anxiety is almost worse than anything) you could try a one-a-day over the counter Loratidine (an antihistamine - check with your pharmacist it's suitable for you) if you think it might be an allergy, or try two paracetamol and a soothing drink before bed which is what I do when I get nervy. And try to look on the bright side. The vet knows they've got something - it's on them to tell you what to do for the piggies next. Give them a call tomorrow if they're not already been in touch today.

Take care x
 
Right that makes much more sense if she saw how freaked you are by this situation she might have just been trying to make you feel better. Although it actually seems to have made you feel worse. I'm looking at that photo and thinking, "Some sort of standard fur mite - not to much of a bother for the pigs - there'll be something to kill 'them off once the vet's sorted themselves out. No bother for humans, no bother for the household." Obvs I'm not a vet and I can't come up there and have a squizz or a rake through your hair, bless you. But that's kind of how it's looking from the outside - the only solidly unusual thing about your posts is that Xeno-450 doesn't seem to have worked and it's such a reliable workhorse at the right concentration. Resistance can happen though - that's why other things have been invented too. But you're having sooo much anxiety over all this and I really feel for you because I've been there.

You sound to me like you're in the same mental health position I was in when we got the moths. You're really upset and feel itchy and distressed and worrying about the kids (the kids are doing just fine) and all the piles of their cr*p that mean so much to them and which I bet right now you'd happily set fire to! And you can't get a break or see a way out of it and it all feels like the end of the world 😟

So, story time... or maybe confession time because I haven't posted this whole tale before...

I'd been preoccupied with our little crawling things downstairs which I could quite clearly see all over the downstairs - that's 4 rooms with hard flooring. In the cupboards and everything. In the kitchen corners, but not in the food. On the walls and the TV screen. Not on us or the pigs or the kids or clothes or washing etc. I didn't feel itchy because they weren't that sort of thing. It was annoying, but even at the time I recalled that we'd had these things on and off for a year or so because I'd been seeing them around and casually squishing them and not bothering. It was that the numbers did suddenly seem to go up. Possibly a spate of warm, damp weather or maybe a bit of rising damp in the dining room which we did have at some point - but I can't quite remember. It's a crumbly old house. So it was a pain in the buns and pretty tiring cleaning round but I was fine for a few weeks. But then finding the moths upstairs was too much, and I totally freaked out and ended up in therapy for a couple of months. Upstairs had been my sanctuary, because the carpets prevented the bugs from getting up there so once I was upstairs my head could have a rest and I could relax. We used to lay in bed, me and the kids, and watch Sooty. It was about all my tired old brain could cope with. We all like Sooty and I used to go to sleep ridiculously early then kind hubs would put the kids to bed.

The therapist said that the problem was caused by a sort of OCD - which I didn't have any history of but apparently it can happen to anyone, if you have a big enough shock! Then you end up with a sort of PTSD. My cleaning efforts (which in the end made little difference) were a repetitive behavior which reinforced the worry and meant that I was trapped in the cycle of trying to get everything 'de-bugged' so I could feel safe from infestation. Tbh I could have left the dust and just sprayed round the skirting boards with Insectrol - not all up the walls and over the floors or anything, just round the edges of the rooms. That would have easily been enough (tho the moths did require a professional to save the stair carpet) Of course as a housewife (albeit not a very good one) you clean round a lot anyway and that was the nub of the problem. My OCD behaviour wasn't a superstitious tapping 3 times on something that could be avoided, it was just my normal daily activities but with the stakes raised - in my mind raised a mile high, because I was dealing with a scuttling unknown and I had young children. Who, I might add, can't remember anything about any of this - not even the bit when I piled up all the furniture into the middle of every room in the house, gave the pigs to my friend for the weekend, and moved us all into a hotel while the spray man came round. He'd just said he'd spray round the edges of the rooms and to stay out the house for a couple hours till it dried. He did say he'd never seen anything quite like that before - he had quite the tale to tell back at the office! Especially as he had to come round two weeks later, and two weeks later again to complete the course so to speak and I did exactly the same each time. Of course, the first spray killed everything straight off - in practical terms that was job done. But it took me a good year to get back to normal. I won't lie - it was a horrible time. But I remembered it with a shudder as "that time we got infested" and hubs remembers it vaguely as "that time mum went a bit funny" which about sums it up. Now we're some years on that's how I remember it too.

The microbiologist in me knows fear of infestation is a sort of primal fear people have whether they realise it or not, to help us avoid getting diseases, which is why our primal brain raises the stakes so high. We saw it during Covid - particularly with the Vax/anti-Vax arguments. I know someone who was quite convinced they could only avoid Covid by washing all their fruit in hot soapy water which made all their apples taste of Fairy Liquid. Once the idea is burned hard enough into those neurons you're stuck with it. The 'cure' is difficult because it's basically thinking about something else until the stress wears off - which can take months. Then the scary neuron superhighway is diluted by all the little by-roads of other daily thoughts. Talking it through can help. Reason can help a lot - although your panicking brain has to hear it from someone like Chris Whitty to be swayed. If you imagine walking down a well-trodden, muddy, sunken country path (in the wrong shoes) we look to the edges of the path for the drier bits and try to straddle onto there. Or sidle up along the sloping grassy bank gingerly hanging onto the barbed wire fence to avoid the deep sludge. But it's really hard, and inevitably at some point we slip and slide back down into the mud. The pull is always there and it's a struggle. But we must keep trying, and it gets easier as you get used to the terrain. We can get through it despite our unpleasant thoughts.

The thing I kept going back to was that I like to garden, and I go camping. The outdoors is alive with all sorts of critters running over you but I felt 'safer' crawling about in the soil than in my own dining room. In our front room there are old floorboards and beneath those it's just soil! But I wasn't too bothered about that either because things are 'supposed' to live in soil and outside. It didn't make any sense. I knew it was me going wrong - I just had to keep taking a day at a time. Even in the hotel I was checking round the edges of the rooms for anything that might invade our bags! I mean who does that? The therapist, after an initial chat, always guided the sessions onto some other topic completely. She was a clever girl.

Houses used to be crawling with all sorts in the old days which is why traditional shops sell things like mouse bait, moth traps, fly paper and insect spray. I just had to get to 35 before I realised that. By all means have a spray round the fireplace if you'll feel better about things. Have a bit of a spray round the skirting if you like. And I'm sure you regularly check everyone for headlice with little kids anyway. But I would lay cold hard cash on whatever is on your piggies having nothing to do with any itching you might be feeling. Piggy parasites don't live on people. The only time people who post on here have a problem is if a pig gets the itchy fungal infection called ringworm (it's not a worm). My son caught it when he was accidentally scratched by one of our first pigs. We saw a very clear round red ring - hence the name - about as big as a 2p, and it itched him sometimes. A tube of cream cleared it in a jiffy and there was no aftermath and it was all fine. We've had pig lice (the running sort) and pigs mites - even the serious one sometimes referred to as 'walking dandruff' and we've never caught anything. Only the pigs have been itchy. We've kept pigs 10 years, there are folks on here who had pigs much longer, there are folks who volunteer in pig rescues and are exposed to all sorts of things when those poor piggies first come in, and I've not heard of anyone who said they caught mites or lice from guinea pigs. Saying that, sometimes people have developed allergies to their fur or to their hay. But you have to think, "Did I start to feel itchy when I got the pigs or when we got this new hay, or was it only when I realised they might have passengers?" Only you can answer that question.

Maybe that helps a bit? If you think it's something more physical than anxiety (not 'just' anxiety, because bl**dy anxiety is almost worse than anything) you could try a one-a-day over the counter Loratidine (an antihistamine - check with your pharmacist it's suitable for you) if you think it might be an allergy, or try two paracetamol and a soothing drink before bed which is what I do when I get nervy. And try to look on the bright side. The vet knows they've got something - it's on them to tell you what to do for the piggies next. Give them a call tomorrow if they're not already been in touch today.

Take care x
Thank you so much @Free Ranger really appreciate your support and for sharing your personal experiences in these situations it’s unbelievable how unwell a person can become mentally and physically when dealing with this whether it be fleas head lice any parasite etc I guess some people are quite laidback and manage the situation easier but I think if you already have ocd or just like to have a clean home this just sends you loopy 😩 I must say the flea incident was unbelievable luckily it didn’t last long and I’m sure I got them out but it was scarey I’m sorry you have had to deal with not just one but lots off different issues the moths/maggots would destroy me it’s the stress of it all the thought of how the hell am I going to bag everything treat everything even when I do bag stuff are they still crawling everywhere and is the 60 degree wash really killing things off… it’s almost become to much for me to be honest I’m at the point where I’m cleaning as much as I can when the girls are at school but it doesn’t seem much and usually I would have bagged everything by now sprayed my whole house but because I’m in a bad place mentally I just don’t have the motivation or energy like I used to 😞 I’m so tired all the time just now sounds silly when I think of really serious issues I’m life like Ukraine or poverty or becoming very unwell but it’s not silly because it affects your life daily I spent the whole time the kids were at school hoovering round the cage back of cage I actually had pee stains all up the wallpaper at back of cage the joys! I hope you never have another incident again as you’ve definitely been through too much!

Also! The vet got back to me and low and behold…………………..

ITS STATIC MITES!! (Picture attached) is

Here’s her email let me know your thoughts please and just any general static mite tips she is going to see the pigs tomorrow and spray them… a total of 3 times apparently
 
This mite was found after I left the vets lastnight alive
 

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Static mites is hay mites. As hay mites don’t burrow like mange mites a do, xeno doesn’t always work and that is also why the guides mention a two pronged approach of xeno and a shampoo.

Hopefully a different treatment will help and you can forget all about this!
Keep us posted

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Thank you @Piggies&buns is there a specific shampoo you would recommend? And the best time to use this shampoo inbetween treatments?
 
Thank you @Piggies&buns is there a specific shampoo you would recommend? And the best time to use this shampoo inbetween treatments?

I wouldn’t use any shampoos now until you’ve spoken to the vet given the product your vet is going to try next is not xeno (as I said the two pronged approach in the guide for persistent cases is to use xeno and shampoos) and therefore I don’t know what effect shampooing with this other product might have
 
Well that's great news because these little things are one of your most harmless passengers and they cannot survive off guinea pigs. The vet is talking about spraying the pig room to protect the pigs from re-infestation. So with the more harmful type of burrowing skin mites (harmful to piggies that is, not owners) we would treat with xeno, give it a day or so, and then blitz the cages. I do mine in the shower: just using hot water and vinegar on my plastic tray based cages - it's always been fine. Some people go all out with the F10 vet grade cleaner but we've never needed it. What they seem to suggest is that you treat the pigs and blitz the cages but then spray the room before they go back in - just in case a mite has survived and climbs back on to a pig. Even if it does the residual pig treatment will probably kill it. I've not actually seen these room sprays are routinely prescribed for people. She's trying to help you feel better about the situation.

These things won't harm you. They don't want to even go on you at all, you are not their host. They are not all over your house or children or toys any more than before you got guinea pigs because they can't survive in these environments. If one fell off a piggy it would be desperate to get back on again before it died shortly afterwards. You could have all the teddies in the piggy room and they would still be fine to take into bed. Dead mites are nobody's problem. They dry up and desiccate down into nothing.

You do indeed need a two pronged attack. One is the practical things that need to be done for the piggies, although luckily they have something that is annoying for them but not really harmful. A bit like piggy nits. But Two is what you need to do for yourself to get out of this awful loop of trying to clean everywhere like I was. It really won't be needed. Talking can help but I found Time was the real healer. Once we'd had our spray and I could clearly see that there were no more little critters running around I just had to tolerate the feelings until they wore off. But your house is fine, you are fine and your children's toys are fine and always have been because it's static mites - now we know.
 
Well that's great news because these little things are one of your most harmless passengers and they cannot survive off guinea pigs. The vet is talking about spraying the pig room to protect the pigs from re-infestation. So with the more harmful type of burrowing skin mites (harmful to piggies that is, not owners) we would treat with xeno, give it a day or so, and then blitz the cages. I do mine in the shower: just using hot water and vinegar on my plastic tray based cages - it's always been fine. Some people go all out with the F10 vet grade cleaner but we've never needed it. What they seem to suggest is that you treat the pigs and blitz the cages but then spray the room before they go back in - just in case a mite has survived and climbs back on to a pig. Even if it does the residual pig treatment will probably kill it. I've not actually seen these room sprays are routinely prescribed for people. She's trying to help you feel better about the situation.

These things won't harm you. They don't want to even go on you at all, you are not their host. They are not all over your house or children or toys any more than before you got guinea pigs because they can't survive in these environments. If one fell off a piggy it would be desperate to get back on again before it died shortly afterwards. You could have all the teddies in the piggy room and they would still be fine to take into bed. Dead mites are nobody's problem. They dry up and desiccate down into nothing.

You do indeed need a two pronged attack. One is the practical things that need to be done for the piggies, although luckily they have something that is annoying for them but not really harmful. A bit like piggy nits. But Two is what you need to do for yourself to get out of this awful loop of trying to clean everywhere like I was. It really won't be needed. Talking can help but I found Time was the real healer. Once we'd had our spray and I could clearly see that there were no more little critters running around I just had to tolerate the feelings until they wore off. But your house is fine, you are fine and your children's toys are fine and always have been because it's static mites - now we know.
Thank you so much you have really helped me and made me feel better I can’t thank you enough I just hope this spray is going to work she said they are going to rub it on with gloves instead of spraying as it does make the animal very wet and we don’t want wet cold pigs I will try to spray around the cage before we leave for the vets today but I hope it will be ventilated enough with just one window open as the other ventilation would be my patio door which I can’t leave open. The vet has also suggested to try and shave the pigs before we go in so I have a busy day 😩 fingers crossed things go as smoothly as can thanks again for your help and sharing your own experience it’s made me realise it’s normal to feel this way about this situation it might seem nothing to other people but for people like us it really messes with your head speak soon hope you and your piggy’s and well ❤️❤️
 
I wouldn’t use any shampoos now until you’ve spoken to the vet given the product your vet is going to try next is not xeno (as I said the two pronged approach in the guide for persistent cases is to use xeno and shampoos) and therefore I don’t know what effect shampooing with this other product might have
Thank you I will have a chat with the vet and see what she thinks
 
HI @Guineapoops2022 and hope it's a Happier New Year for you! Just wondered - did you make any progress with your itchy piggies? x
HI @Guineapoops2022 and hope it's a Happier New Year for you! Just wondered - did you make any progress with your itchy piggies? x
Hello @Free Ranger thank you for your message I haven’t been on here a while life’s been super busy pigs are ok but we are still treating as far as I know next week will be our 3rd frontline treatment and then on they have said to continually use zeno… I dunno is that correct as I have been told before using Zeno continually isn’t something that’s usually done… I hope you and your piggy’s are well and happy new year x
 
Hello @Free Ranger thank you for your message I haven’t been on here a while life’s been super busy pigs are ok but we are still treating as far as I know next week will be our 3rd frontline treatment and then on they have said to continually use zeno… I dunno is that correct as I have been told before using Zeno continually isn’t something that’s usually done… I hope you and your piggy’s are well and happy new year x

You certainly don’t need to use xeno routinely. It definitely isn’t recommended and can cause resistance to form
 
Well I guess every vet has a different approach but it's not something I've heard before. Mind you I've not heard of anyone having to shave their pigs before! Did you go that way... and did it all grow back?!
Glad everyone's still doing OK x
 
I guess we’ll I’m hoping this last treatment of the frontline will do I don’t like the idea of regularly treating them although my sister did a course on animals and did mention to me she read that some owners of guineas do regularly treat them for parasites. I did trim them and shampoo them with gorgeous guineas but they really didn’t like it so I won’t be doing it again they suit the hair it’s just a shame marshmallow can’t clean her bottom very well we almost had a serious accident with the clippers and after a chat with the vet they said they see it all the time especially with cats if they need shaved x
 
I clipper my long-haired Louise as she can't cope with the length. She can't see at the front and her 'train' at the back gets pee soaked and gives her urine scald on her back feet. In theory I could just top-and-tail but she gets clippered all over the top because we found she's much livelier afterwards!
Before: Little and Large (and Flora).webp After: New year, new trim.webp
We use rechargeable pet hair clippers from Amazon. As far as I can recall they were under £20.
 
:love: Aww they are so cute! It sounds like the hair removal is a relief lol especially in the warmer months! Thank you for your message I hope my pigs are beasty free surely after 2 and then 3 rounds of frontline lasting a month each… I just don’t know what to do about regularly treating them with Zeno would you recommend every 6 months as a precaution or is that not needed and causing resistance? Many thanks for chatting :) x
 
:love: Aww they are so cute! It sounds like the hair removal is a relief lol especially in the warmer months! Thank you for your message I hope my pigs are beasty free surely after 2 and then 3 rounds of frontline lasting a month each… I just don’t know what to do about regularly treating them with Zeno would you recommend every 6 months as a precaution or is that not needed and causing resistance? Many thanks for chatting :) x

As we have mentioned on your other threads, regularly treating is not recommended and can cause resistance - it’s better to only treat when you definitely have something that needs to to be treated.

As Xeno needs to be a course of three to treat properly, giving one treatment every six months is just going to kill any existing mites (which may not even not be there rendering the treatment potentially unnecessary and perhaps just really a waste of money). It won’t touch any eggs. Therefore two weeks later any eggs, if there were any in the first place, would still hatch anyway so you won’t have ‘cured‘ anything even if there is something there to be cured.
Youd need to give all three treatments to all four of your piggies to be useful but why bother going to that trouble and expense if they don’t actually have mites at that point.
Added on top of that the risk of resistance and then Xeno not working when its actually needed.
I have never given any preventative treatment in 35 years of small animal keeping.
 
I personally only treat when we've seen something. It's different for cats and dogs because they go out and about mixing with other cats and dogs and picking up fleas and all sorts that can cause them misery and transfer onto the owner - unlike piggy lice or mites which stay with the pig... we don't get them. Sometimes chickens are treated in a preventative way but only because we eat their eggs, and ivermectin (I think) also tackles internal parasites which might have ended up in those eggs. While it is not likely to hurt the piggies in the short term it will hurt your wallet and in the long term you might be wishing you'd held off. If the piggies are clear of passengers and not in any discomfort get back to enjoying life with them :)
 
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