Does anyone else find bugs in their rodent enclosures?

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@ PiggyLove – It sure is distressing being invaded by bugs. I actually found a dead black beetle in my top bathroom cupboard (I was searching all over the house for them) and I got a magnifying glass out on it and it could be the sort of beetle that I’ve just posted (saw tooth grain beetle), my mum isn’t so sure but it defo is very similar. However I think the black beetles have gone now.

I have a new problem though, the new bale I bought has little critters in, tiny lice things. It’s so dusty so I’ve been shaking it and there’s small bugs that fall out. Yuck. It’s a new bale so I don’t want to chuck it out so I think I’ll just have to live with putting the odd few into my house and keep a close eye on them and make sure they don’t get chance to breed hiding somewhere in my pen again.
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Oh and I had my dad round to my house the other day and I showed him the dead beetle specimen, he thinks I’m a nutter for worrying about things so small, he says I need to get a life.
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I have a new problem though, the new bale I bought has little critters in, tiny lice things. It’s so dusty so I’ve been shaking it and there’s small bugs that fall out. Yuck. It’s a new bale so I don’t want to chuck it out so I think I’ll just have to live with putting the odd few into my house and keep a close eye on them and make sure they don’t get chance to breed hiding somewhere in my pen again.
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So you are continuing to feed dusty, lice infested hay to your piggies rather than throwing a new bale out?!

Surely you realise that this is bad for them and can cause health problems. I'm really starting to believe you are a wind up merchant.
 
How do you know all bales don’t have a few critters in? Perhaps they’re in yours somewhere but you haven’t been shaking it like a maniac and staring at what falls out every day. I seriously wouldn’t be surprised if critters were in most bales of hay and people just hadn’t noticed before, I mean hay is from outside, finding an insect free field is surely gonna be a miracle ain’t it?
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& what health problems can critters cause to guineapigs exactly? No one has determined they have ill effect on rodents in this thread yet and I’ve said none of the critters are attaching themselves to my rodents so how do you know my rodents are in any danger?
 
Some people say lice can be brought in on hay; sometimes refered to as hay mites.

Dusty hay can cause respiritory problems in many species, guinea pigs are often sensitive to these.
 
I'm sorry but i really do feel Confused as to why your still telling these "bug tales" Lots of people on the forum have given you many suggestions to avoid getting (frankly discusting :)>>>) Infestations. And I cant see youve actually TRIED any of them... yet you still come back complaining the bugs havnt gone? mallethead

I cant IMAGINE resting if there were bugs in my piggies cage, i would be scrubbing and disinfecting like mad, changing anything and everything untill they were gone. I had a few bugs before, when i used sawdust and hay with cardboard houses etc, so now i use fleece. Even though this is more work and i dont exactly have oodles of spare time (i volunteer at the local school, work two jobs and am studying for my degree) I would never go back if it ment bugs. Every corner of my room gets hooverd once a week to avoid these kinds of infestations. (you have a lino floor, and think theyre comming from under the skirting boards, why not use a sealant? :{ )
 
@ Splat n Dexter – I don’t think I’ll mention just how dusty my new bale of hay is.
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@ Connie – I’m considering microwaving hay but am unsure if it’s a good thing. I was thinking about starting a new topic on it actually.

& I can’t seal my skirting boards, the wood paneling is grooved, it’d be too hard to get it fully sealed. But I haven’t actually seem anything crawl out from there in a few days anyway and like I say, I’m pretty sure my beetle things are gone now and now I’m just bringing in the odd lice in the new hay. I haven’t an infestation anymore.
 
Have you got somewhere else to store the hay bale, like outside in a shed or garage? I put my main hay out in the shed, in a plastic dustbin to stop critters getting in, then put some in another bag & give it a good shake to get the bits to drop down the bottom before I bring it into the house. I haven't ever seen anything in my hay. I am also starting to microwave it, in a small bowl on high for 40 seconds, hopefully it will kill stuff off. Please make sure you watch it though as it could catch light!
 
FIRE?!
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The new bale I got is outside in my hut, the first time I’ve ever put a bale outdoors. It’s in a council green waste bag but nothing’s going to crawl into there except spiders I think, and all the tinsy mites are already in it. Cos it’s a dusty bale I’ve been shaking it like hell to get as much dust off it as possible so most critters fall off into the bag when I do that anyway. I keep looking at my rodents sleeping areas each night to see if I can spot anything moving when I lift everything up but I’m only spotting the odd one and they’re so small. I was talking to one of my workmates about my new bale cos I was worried about it’s dustyness and wanted a second opinion on it’s quality and so I brought a sample to work. The guy runs a stable and gave it a good sniff and said it’s fine (it’s a real stinker of a bale), but I was more worried about the bright yellow dust that’s on it, he says it’s ok though and not to worry.
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Plus he said that its to be expected that there’s tinsy critters in bales of hay and that they can’t do any harm to humans, to horses and won’t harm my roddies. Though he isn’t an expert on roddies.
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Having another outbreak. Squidged about 50 tinsy winsy red critters all around my rodent room on my wall paneling last night and the night before I was finding those 1.5mm beetle things again on my newspaper in the pen. Rubbish.
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I wish they’d bugger off.
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Perhaps if you lined the cage with a waterproof material you would be able to disinfect it and stop the bugs comming in!
 
I think I'll just wait and see if winter makes them all vanish. Last night I only found about 5 tinsy red things on my wood paneling and one small beetley thing on my wood door and another type of small black beetle near my skirting board. It must have been that warm spell that made them multiple or hatch out.
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(Presumably from behind the wood paneling.)
 
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to unsubscribe from this post, I just can't believe you are allowing your piggies to carry on living in a pen with bugs. We've all listened to what you've said, been understanding and offered advice and practical tips but you are still refusing to action them properly and instead 'waiting for the winter to kill them off'. For one thing, I'm presuming your house has heating and you don't keep your pigs in a freezing cold house - therefore the bugs will be warm and won't die anyway.
You need to be changing all of your bedding more regularly, including adding a full waterproof layer so you can disinfect to kill the bugs.

I apologise if this comes across as rude, as it is not intended that way - I am just finding it incredibly frustrating and I can't carry on reading this!
 
My house is about 16 degrees at the mo, haven’t got the heating on yet. I’m tight with money so only put the radiators on for 1 to 4 hours each day in winter, when I’m out at work it dips to about 11 degrees I think (can’t quite remember), could be 12 degrees. In that cold spell last year it went down to 9 degrees one day and my upstairs pipes froze for a week so I won’t be letting it get that cold again.
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& hello, I haven’t said I haven’t been mucking my rodents out daily. Their bed areas and hay is mucked out every day, I search the pen top to bottom pulling up newspaper hunting bugs down every day like a loon, and I’m still keeping a thick enough layer under the bed areas so that the lino underneath doesn’t need scrubbing. I did hear peoples’ advice on here to have less newspaper and that it isn’t too hard to disinfect but my personal preference is to avoid scrubbing and just throw out paper. Although that’s irrelevant to the bugs, the bugs don’t originate from underneath the bed areas.


& I doubt my rodents give a damn that there’s some bugs around. I care, but I doubt they do. So long as they’re not being bitten or have things running around under their fur I’m sure they’re not bothered if they see one run past them.
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Disinfecting doesnt involve scrubbing. It involves wiping.
You need to disinfect your piggies living area as well as just cleaning out the mucky bedding to kill off bugs & bacteria. Not disinfecting their area is comparable to never bleaching your loo because 'everything gets flushed down it anyway'. There are still bacteria that can cause problems for piggies and people around.
It's obvious that you don't want to listen to advice given and will carry on with your preference anyway - I don't know why I'm wasting my time getting angry about it.
 
Then don’t.


BTW I didn’t mention the horrible ugly fat albino caterpillar with a red head I found lodged within my newspaper two nights ago. It really was a disgusting find.
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It seems just as pointless on your part - you asked for advice on what to do but then haven't taken the advice anyway.
 
i agree

i agree with what the last people siad, i have come to the cunclusion this is a joke now? or you really dont care for your animals reading this is actualy quite upseting for people who care about animals!
to be honest if this site had peoples adress on i dont think i would be only one who would like to inform the rspca of the goings on involving your poor little pigs
 
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I found a snail in my guinea pigs bed area once! :)) And the odd spider (I hate spiders and they seriously freaked me out) but I don't think I've ever really found bugs living in there as such.
 
Just read some other posts. I didn't read before posting so don't want anyone to think I've just jumped in all whimsy :)

My advice would be to remove your rodents and fully clean out and disinfect their living area. Remove as much bedding, hay etc as possible and give it a serious clean, spray and then leave for a bit before returning them. Lining the wood really is recommended. This may be hard work, but its necessary. There shouldn't be bugs living with them, and once the hard part is out the way it will be much easier to keep them at bay. I know everyone else has already said all this, but please just give them a proper clean out.
 
The RSPCA have enough funding problems without having time wasting call-outs. Nowhere in this thread have I said or indicated that my rodents have ill health, if anyone cares to actually listen to what I say then they should conclude that my house isn’t a total pigsty and the rodents are clean and cared for. If an RSPCA inspector came to my house they’d think it’s one of the most immaculate houses they’ve set foot in, cleaner than their own home and they’d see my rodents are extremely healthy, well fed, clean themselves and well housed. If there's anyone here local to Keighley they're welcome to visit and see for themselves.


@ Liane – I’ve found plenty of snails, they come in with the dandelions.
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& I have stripped everything out Liane but it didn’t get rid of the bugs, they’re hiding beneath my skirting boards and wood paneling. I could bleach the room top to bottom several times a day but it ain’t going to make knack all difference, they keep creeping out from the woodwork.
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& new breeds of things just magically appear at my house!
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well iam sure given the choice they would not want to live with them?
you state that the house is clean? i have no reason to disbelieve you
but if its getting that bad why not cal someone in to spary the house or some thing then.
and to be hoenst i think you have been very lucky or should i say your pigs have given previous statement an photos, people have offered a lot of advise you have refused to take! an you have stated the cleaning can take to long? thats why you just take the paper up, if your so clean an care for your pigs why would this be such a chore?
 
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Then it sounds like you need to get pest control in! They may be attracted that room specifically because of damp, dust, the pig hay, food or toilet areas.
They are obviously there for a reason - just ignoring them will only mean more bugs and winter isnt likely to kill them as they are indoors.
If there's a chance they dont originate from your piggies but are ending up living with them anyway, you still need to be stripping back to antibac your pigs living quarters to discourage them coming into there.
However you look at it, it's still an issue that needs sorting - there shouldnt be bugs in with your pigs, with the exception of a rogue spider or something.
 
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sorry I'm on my phone.

When we say bugs it is hard to help out. What specificly bugs are we battling You may try vinigar and dish soap directly on the area * suspects they come from..using chemicals bothers me unless pet safe. * may use a spray ment for horses or sheep. Best luck
 
Sazmatazz and frank – The thing is the bugs aren’t attracted to the rodents hay beds. There’s a few types of bugs that are bugging me in particular: -

- The 2mm sawtoothed grain beetles or a breed which looks very similar to that breed. I find them coming out of my skirting board or within the newspaper of the pen (not near the rodents). They seem to be able to get themselves around, I even found one in my bathroom cupboard. There might even be two breeds of small black beetles and I’m mistaking them for each other as when I first got infested I swear none of them had the ability to jump but now I keep finding ones that jump as I’m trying to squidge them. I might find 3 or 4 one week, but a few days ago I found about 15 within the pen presumably because of that heatwave we had.

- There’s a type of beetle which looks very similar to the suspected sawtoothed grain beetles but they’re more of a browny grey colour, perhaps slightly smaller and they only go on my wood doors (rough wood, no varnish or wood stain). I haven’t seen them anywhere else. I inspect my wood doors daily at close range, I squidge all of the ones there but the next day another will appear from nowhere. They’re on the rodent rooms doors although I don’t tend to see them on the inside of my walk-in wardrobe, perhaps they don’t like the dark? I also found one on my bedroom door so I presume they can fly or it certainly had a long walk. On average I’m finding two a day.

- & now there’s the red tinsy winsy scurrying things which you wouldn’t even notice they were there unless I pointed them out cos they’re so small, they’re only on top of my wood paneling. I thought I had these in the bed areas of my hay about a month ago and they liked staying in the bed areas but since I got a new bale and mucked out I haven’t seen any of these red critters within the bed areas since but I know when I was cleaning the entire pen out I could see some making their way under my skirting board so I presume the ones on top of my wood paneling now are from the first infestation but as of yet they haven’t made their way back to the rodent bed areas. They do travel about though as I’ve found them on all four corners of the room. A few days ago I had an outbreak of about 50 on the wood paneling where I hadn’t seen them before and each night since I’ve found about 10 on there, before that I hadn’t seen any since my first clearout. They seem to emerge once it’s gotten dark, if I go in in the morning they’re not there but at 7 or 8pm when I go in and turn on the light I get squidging.

- & I do have tinsy winsy critters in my new hay bale, they’re not like the last ones which were red, these ones are greyish I think and hardly noticeable to the human eye. (The red ones are easier to see cos they’re red.) But I shake my hay rigorously so hardly any come into the house and I haven’t seen one for a while, there probably is one or two in the bed areas right now but so long as they’re not harmful to my rodents or spreading out around my home they’re not an issue.

I’m pretty sure all of the above are totally harmless. I keep checking my rodents fur to see if I can see anything and they’re not scratching more than usual. I’ve checked that no beetles are burrowing into my wood doors and there’s certainly no holes so I doubt any of the bugs can do any damage structurally to my house. Reading about sawtoothed grain beetles it says that they should be living in my food cupboards and feeding on food but they’re not, they have no obvious food supply, it’s a bit weird. & my dad says I’m nuts for even worrying and being obsessed with things that are so small.
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& tonight I shall be using cleaner on top of my wood paneling as I haven’t cleaned on there with a cloth for a while (I dust regularly), there should be some debris on there considering I’ve squidged nearly a hundred of the red critters on top of there recently.
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Perhaps a wipe down with Whizz or cream cleaner will put the red critters off that area although it poses the question of where they’ll go if they don’t want to scurry around on there, they’ll probably stay behind the wood paneling.
 
Oh and yes I forgot to add that I get the odd caterpillar (different types), larvae, a strange variety of flies and moths and grass hopper things and I found the weirdest thing ever a few nights ago, it was jet black and was a cross between a leech and a woodlice but it had no legs. No one I’ve spoken to has a clue what that could have been.
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done

thats it iam done now, ive never read such rubbish, where do you live in insect section of a zoo!!
 
You dont do yourself any favours Sue you have caused a stir on a number of occasions on here in the past, your posts always seem to be so far fetched members suspect you of being a Troll time and time again.

I am going to close this thread now as its just upsetting people and i cannot see that anyone will be able to help you.

sorry

Lindsay
 
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