Dental Dental - nervous of diagnosis

I managed to get a good photo of the lump today with a little through bars treat bribery. I think it's a teeny bit smaller - but that might be wishful thinking. XD At least in the safety of his cage Harvey doesn't completely hate me. [Fickle creatures guineas. You're OK so long as you've got food. lol.] Glad I took this though because at least now I have reference to check it against for anti-biotic progress. Don't think I'm ever going to forget guinea pig abscess smell though. EW!
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So when it rains it pours in guinea land.

The drugs seem to be working their magic but unfortunately my wiggling is really hurting poor Harvey today. Although it's not full on squealing like the first day. There was lots of whimpering. Clearly the drugs are kicking in today because Harvey doesn't feel too well today. He's eating but perhaps less than normal and he's been in bed all day bless him.

On top of this. One of Harvey's wives has seriously hurt her back to the point where she refuses to move because its so painful. Trip to the emergency vets has given her some happy juice but they couldn't tell what was wrong. I'm pretty sure she's always had a bad back so I'm hoping it's a sprain or something of that nature rather than something more serious like a slipped disc but it's not looking good. The emergency vet just said to take her to my usual vet in the morning if she doesn't improve and I'm not feeling positive about it. She will eat greedily at least but it needs to be in front of her nose. So I guess I'm getting the liquid feed out again for topping her up before bed.

My pigs always seem to have a knack of getting ill all at once. So stressful!

Belle the last guinea in my herd was overjoyed at having extra breakfast/dinner.
 
I know experiences are subjective, but I just wanted to write that I took my pig, Little, to see Ellie about two or three months ago after suspecting a dental problem as I don’t feel like she should be recommended so much when it comes to dental treatment.
Little had completely stopped eating or drinking entirely. Ellie confirmed dental issue and filed his back teeth and his incisors. She filed his incisors way too short and didn’t angle them either. Little still didn’t eat and it was after four weeks when the incisors grew back properly that I took him to see Simon. We had just thought the reason he still couldn’t eat or drink was now because the incisors had been messed up (I’d like to add Little also didn’t lay down to sleep at all during this time because of the pain). Taking Little to ass Simon was something that saved his life. Little had a jaw abscesses which had burst up under his bottom left incisor and infected the tooth root. He had to have emergency surgery by Simon who said he had never seen such pressure under an incisor like he did when he removed Little’s tooth, the pus just exploded out of the socket - so much so there wasn’t actually really any pus left inside the original abscess socket in his jaw. Ellie had missed all of this entirely and subjected Little to immense pain when she burred down that incisor. Because the incisors weren’t filed right, we then thought that was the problem and then Little was subjected to another month of absolute agony, one that nearly cost him his life. Because of the time we waited to see Simon due to his incisors, the tooth root became infected and now his tooth will never grow back. He’s doing amazing now, 6 weeks on. However, I, personally, wouldn’t recommend Ellie for dentals given my experience. I have also learned since then that the extent of Ellie’s training at the Cat and Rabbit Clinic was watching Kim perform a conscious dental and that was it. Had I known that, i wouldn’t have stepped foot through the door with suspected dental problem.
I’m not saying Ellie isn’t good for other things, but I would never recommend her for dentals.
Poor Little. Thank you for sharing what was an awful experience for you both.

Hope Little is doing better now x
 
Poor Little. Thank you for sharing what was an awful experience for you both.

Hope Little is doing better now x
Thank you! He’s doing amazing. He has had a thread dedicated to the issue but I felt I should post it here as the bottom line is that Little almost died because of the situation with Ellie. I only went to her as I saw she was being recommended for dentals on here despite none of the members actually having experienced her dental work firsthand. I was led to believe Simon had trained her when it wasn’t true. I know we need other guinea pig dentists in the UK (and everywhere), but we shouldn’t be recommending vets with little dental experience when it can really be a matter of life and death - and in my case it was!
 
Thank you! He’s doing amazing. He has had a thread dedicated to the issue but I felt I should post it here as the bottom line is that Little almost died because of the situation with Ellie. I only went to her as I saw she was being recommended for dentals on here despite none of the members actually having experienced her dental work firsthand. I was led to believe Simon had trained her when it wasn’t true. I know we need other guinea pig dentists in the UK (and everywhere), but we shouldn’t be recommending vets with little dental experience when it can really be a matter of life and death - and in my case it was!

Hello. Sorry you are having such a tough time with your piggies. You're doing such a good job taking care of them though. It must be exhausting, but we are all supporting you virtually 💪

Regarding your experience with Ellie and Little, did you give her the feedback about the issues with the treatment and what she'd missed? It would take a bit of emotional energy to do this so I would understand of you couldn't face it, but if you could (whether now or in the future) then at least it would help her learning for the future?
 
Hello. Sorry you are having such a tough time with your piggies. You're doing such a good job taking care of them though. It must be exhausting, but we are all supporting you virtually 💪

Regarding your experience with Ellie and Little, did you give her the feedback about the issues with the treatment and what she'd missed? It would take a bit of emotional energy to do this so I would understand of you couldn't face it, but if you could (whether now or in the future) then at least it would help her learning for the future?
Thank you!
I had considered telling her if I ever went to her again regarding another issue. I didn’t want to email her as i felt it would seem patronising.
Any time I’ve seen her, she’s never been one to ever discuss follow-up appointments (she has seen both of my pigs) so even though Little went to her after having been lethargic, not eating or drinking at all for himself, she never wanted to see him back after the appointment. If she had, I’d have mentioned any issues that were present then such as the incisors being filed too short and having no angle to them. Obviously it was another month before Little was seen by Simon as we thought the incisors were the reason he still couldn’t eat so we waited for them grow.
It’s just a really complicated situation as we don’t know the state of the abscess at the time Ellie saw Little. His tooth root was infected, but this infection could have occurred due to length of time he had had the pus which had burst from the abscess under his tooth. His abscess may not have burst at the time he saw Ellie, however I feel it may have because the pressure of the pus under his tooth made it push upwards and grow longer, but since I’m not a vet I don’t know all the ins and outs. Ellie filed the teeth at the back, however when Simon saw his teeth, the back teeth weren’t a problem at all. So, were the back teeth an issue too at the time of this appointment? Or was she clutching at straws, so to speak?
I could go on, but basically the situation became really complex once we saw Simon and he told us what was happening. Since there was about a month in between seeing Ellie and seeing Simon, there’s no definite idea of what Ellie should have seen/what issues were present.
What we do know is that Little had a jaw abscess which was causing pain, making his incisor longer, making him stop eating/drinking/moving and that was what was happening when Ellie saw Little. Whether that abscess had burst, or if the tooth root was already infected then we don’t know. However, it shouldn’t have gone as wrong as it did as she is a vet specialising in guinea pigs - and one who couldn’t diagnose an abscess.
At this point, I feel that it’s been too long, and too much has happened for it to be a learning experience. I had thought about doing it though, but everything has been so hectic and is only just calming down (for the next 6-8 weeks anyway, then we’re back at Simon’s). I just didn’t want it to come off the wrong way if I did tell her about it. Obviously, I’m annoyed and angry at the whole situation. Not completely at her, as she did her best and I couldn’t ask for a vet to do anymore, but mainly that I was misled into believing Little was in safe hands with someone ‘trained by Simon’. Watching Kim perform a dental isn’t training.
 
Fair enough. It all sounds very tough - and complex as you say. I understand why you've wanted to flag on the forum so everyone is clear about Ellie's (limited) experience with Kim at Kim and Simon's clinic.
 
Fair enough. It all sounds very tough - and complex as you say. I understand why you've wanted to flag on the forum so everyone is clear about Ellie's (limited) experience with Kim at Kim and Simon's clinic.
For sure. I’ve learnt my lesson twice now, Simon is the one to go to with anything that seems dental. It’s not worth chancing it if you can help it, it’s just too important. Also, Little acts as my support animal for my disability which I think is why I took all of it harder. When he eventually passes on, I know my life will become a lot harder unless I can find myself another cuddle-buddy of a guinea pig. To think he was in so much pain and became so close to death breaks my heart.
I don’t mean to slander Ellie, as I believe she is a good vet and I will still use her for other ailments, just not for anything dental or abscess related!
 
For sure. I’ve learnt my lesson twice now, Simon is the one to go to with anything that seems dental. It’s not worth chancing it if you can help it, it’s just too important. Also, Little acts as my support animal for my disability which I think is why I took all of it harder. When he eventually passes on, I know my life will become a lot harder unless I can find myself another cuddle-buddy of a guinea pig. To think he was in so much pain and became so close to death breaks my heart.
I don’t mean to slander Ellie, as I believe she is a good vet and I will still use her for other ailments, just not for anything dental or abscess related!
I‘ve had two disastrous dentals with anaesthetics at two separate vets one general and one exotic. I would never risk another. Simon is the go to vet in my opinion too. So sorry you have had such awful experiences too x
 
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