Advice Needed Asap Please Should I Split Them Up?

[MycuteBoys]

Hi, two weeks ago I moved my boys in to the garage for winter. Since then I have noticed almost constant negative behavior between Alex and oreo I had noticed some of this behaviour when they were outside but now they are indoors we hear it almost all the time. Is it the right thing to do to spilt them up? Is there anything else I can try? I have two bowls, diffrent sleeping areas etc etc.
Their daily behaviour between each other is...
Lots of teeth chartering
Raised heads
Yawning
High pitched squeaking
Rumbling
Oreo being pinned in the corner by Alex
Oreo sleeping on top his wooden bridge at night.

Lots of Alex chasing oreo, then pinning him in a corner and rumbling at him or teeth chartering, oreo will start the high pitched squeaking and then make a dash for it only for this to all repeat its self, this can carry on for ages until they wear themselves out.
I would keep oreo on his own from now on I think he seems happy on his own, maybe I could try rebounding him with his brothers in the future, is it possible that could work once they have got over their hormone stage?
I can put Alex into the indoor cage but as he loves company I think in the long team I would have to look into sending him for the op and finding him a sow.
Any advice would be very grateful, thank you.
Kell x

 

[Flutterby]

Oh Kell! *big hugs* It's not stop at the moment with problems for you, I hope this can be sorted!

 

[MycuteBoys]

Oh Kell! *big hugs* It's not stop at the moment with problems for you, I hope this can be sorted!

I know hun, I try to do the right thing and it's always a battle.....people on here must be soooo fed up with hearing from me now lol. Thank you for your support it means a lot Ruth 'hugs'.

 

[Gizi]

Oh no! Good luck x

 

[MycuteBoys]

Thank you, it's been horrid hearing them like that for an hour this morning while I was cleaning the kitchen, I love them both so none are being rehomed we will just have to find a way around this, hopefully

 

[Julie M]

Aww. No. ;(. Could it be because the hutches have moved and they have to re establish dominance. I hope they settle soon. Poor piggies.

 

[Flutterby]

I was thinking the same Julie, but how long can you let it go on safely? I don't have any experience bonding boars

You are such a good piggy mum Kell, I wish I could sprinkle some piggy good luck on you x x

 

[MycuteBoys]

Aww. No. ;(. Could it be because the hutches have moved and they have to re establish dominance. I hope they settle soon. Poor piggies.

Hiya Julie I was thinking that too hun but it's been two weeks now and ive stuck to the same routine with having them out all day in their run etc, ive not seen any improvement in these two weeks. I keep checking oreo for bites thankfully he's not got any else he would of been removed as before with his brothers.

 

[MycuteBoys]

I was thinking the same Julie, but how long can you let it go on safely? I don't have any experience bonding boars

You are such a good piggy mum Kell, I wish I could sprinkle some piggy good luck on you x x

Aww thanks Ruth, I think we were right to ask for advice on here as like you said it could cause more problems splitting them up with out checking if it's the best thing to do. X

 

[TamTam]

I was told that the boys sort it out quicker than the girls... I guess not. I was feeling a little sad as my piggies are also doing the things you describe, all except for the teeth chattering! Lola is massive. I'd say like a bag of sugar but Stitch is half her age and size and just keeps head butting back. It wont resolve if she keeps putting up a fight.

Hope your boys sort it out soon.

 

[MycuteBoys]

I was told that the boys sort it out quicker than the girls... I guess not. I was feeling a little sad as my piggies are also doing the things you describe, all except for the teeth chattering! Lola is massive. I'd say like a bag of sugar but Stitch is half her age and size and just keeps head butting back. It wont resolve if she keeps putting up a fight.

Hope your boys sort it out soon.

Hiya tam tam and welcome to this fab friendly forum, keep watching this thread as the advice given could help you too. Ive read lots about behaviour on here but I'm stumped with what to do for the best with these two, I have another pair of boars they are bonded with no issues at all thankfully. We adopted Alex on the 6th October as a friend of oreo as a trio of boys didn't work out in our case sadly. So this is a pain to see them not getting along after having such a positive bonding in the beginning
Wiebke has really good knowledge about these kind of things, I will see what she thinks. I know she's really busy at home at the mo though having the builders in and her piggies camping in her kitchen.
Kell.

 

[TamTam]

Hiya tam tam and welcome to this fab friendly forum, keep watching this thread as the advice given could help you too. Ive read lots about behaviour on here but I'm stumped with what to do for the best with these two, I have another pair of boars they are bonded with no issues at all thankfully. We adopted Alex on the 6th October as a friend of oreo as a trio of boys didn't work out in our case sadly. So this is a pain to see them not getting along after having such a positive bonding in the beginning
Wiebke has really good knowledge about these kind of things, I will see what she thinks. I know she's really busy at home at the mo though having the builders in and her piggies camping in her kitchen.
Kell.

Thank you Kell,

I will def keep watching. It would break my heart if it didn't work out. I bet its what you feel like you are facing. Naughty piggies x

 

[7squeakers.]

Rather than separate the two trouble-makers completely, would it be possible just to divide their cage and put a barrier, maybe a couple of C and C squares, between them? That way, they can still sort out their differences, but won't be able to come to blows. And no-one gets lonely either.

 

[MycuteBoys]

Thank you Kell,

I will def keep watching. It would break my heart if it didn't work out. I bet its what you feel like you are facing. Naughty piggies x

Yep it's stressful, I agree naughty piggies. You can keep trying to bond them if you remove them it sounds like a lot of work though. Keep me posted on how your lovely girls get on, I'm here for support if you need it x

 

[MycuteBoys]

Rather than separate the two trouble-makers completely, would it be possible just to divide their cage and put a barrier, maybe a couple of C and C squares, between them? That way, they can still sort out their differences, but won't be able to come to blows. And no-one gets lonely either.

That sounds a good idea, I could block of the bottom of the stairs with the grades I think so one piggy get to use upstairs including the stairs and the other one will have downstairs thank you I'm going to look into this now.
@Flutterby this is a good option if I can get the grades to stay in one place, maybe using the connecters with strong sticky double sided tape would work where I need to attach them to the sides of the hutch

 

[TamTam]

Yep it's stressful, I agree naughty piggies. You can keep trying to bond them if you remove them it sounds like a lot of work though. Keep me posted on how your lovely girls get on, I'm here for support if you need it x

Thank you Love, I am a complete newbie with the best intentions but don't want inexperience to be their let down. Its fabulous having the forums and videos and kind support.

I do have high hopes my girls will work through it. x

 

[MycuteBoys]

Thank you Love, I am a complete newbie with the best intentions but don't want inexperience to be their let down. Its fabulous having the forums and videos and kind support.

I do have high hopes my girls will work through it. x

I was one too 6 months ago, I'm no where near as piggy savy as many on here, still finding many new challenges daily lol ive learnt so much about piggies being here it's a fantastic place. X

 

[MycuteBoys]

Rather than separate the two trouble-makers completely, would it be possible just to divide their cage and put a barrier, maybe a couple of C and C squares, between them? That way, they can still sort out their differences, but won't be able to come to blows. And no-one gets lonely either.

Ive just ordered some C&C grids to block off the ramp, thank you.


**This evening I found that Oreo has two bites and some hair loss on his back, thankfully he's ok and it's handy he's still on antibiotics, I don't think its working out between them but I think the grids will help.

 

[Davey-cavy]

Ive just ordered some C&C grids to block off the ramp, thank you.


**This evening I found that Oreo has two bites and some hair loss on his back, thankfully he's ok and it's handy he's still on antibiotics, I don't think its working out between them but I think the grids will help.

Your not having much luck are you? I hope this solution works out.

 

[MycuteBoys]

Your not having much luck are you? I hope this solution works out.

Nope not at all Mr I very rarely have things easy or nice things happen...I must be cursed lol. One good thing, I have given a very cute piggy a fab new forever home

 

[Davey-cavy]

Nope not at all Mr I very rarely have things easy or nice things happen...I must be cursed lol. One good thing, I have given a very cute piggy a fab new forever home

Your not the only one. I never seem to have any luck thes days. I seem to be going from one calamity to the next but it all seems to work out in the end. X

 

[MycuteBoys]

Your not the only one. I never seem to have any luck thes days. I seem to be going from one calamity to the next but it all seems to work out in the end. X

Ive had SOOO many, I only ever try to do the right thing and I always seem to have problems along the way seems so unfair but life's to short to moan. I hope you have lots of good luck coming to you x

 

[Davey-cavy]

Ive had SOOO many, I only ever try to do the right thing and I always seem to have problems along the way seems so unfair but life's to short to moan. I hope you have lots of good luck coming to you x

Honestly I know how you feel. It got to be out turn for good luck next though;-) !

 

[MycuteBoys]

Honestly I know how you feel. It got to be out turn for good luck next though;-) !

Fingers crossed but I don't hold out much hope in my case though ha ha. It's nice to know I'm not alone with the battles and bad luck. My job is the latest issue, I had a meeting with my boss this evening and ive got to come up with compromises...., errrrr so they have changed my hours to hours I can not work and ive got to compromise! .

 

[Davey-cavy]

Fingers crossed but I don't hold out much hope in my case though ha ha. It's nice to know I'm not alone with the battles and bad luck. My job is the latest issue, I had a meeting with my boss this evening and ive got to come up with compromises...., errrrr so they have changed my hours to hours I can not work and ive got to compromise! .

Oh no what a tw...it;-) by compromise they mean do exactly what's best for them and not you. That's so unfair. I think you need to get him/ her back. A few piggy plops in his lunch should do it

 

[MycuteBoys]

Oh no what a tw...it;-) by compromise they mean do exactly what's best for them and not you. That's so unfair. I think you need to get him/ her back. A few piggy plops in his lunch should do it

great idea i will pack some and post them off to the very big top bosses who's stupid idea this was. My boss is just as unhappy about it as we are, bless her not good as she's most 8months pregnant. It winds me up that the main big bosses make these changes sitting around a table in a posh meeting room....may be they should take a walk out their offices and meet us face to face so we can explain what it's like to live in the real world, lol

 

[Davey-cavy]

great idea i will pack some and post them off to the very big top bosses who's stupid idea this was. My boss is just as unhappy about it as we are, bless her not good as she's most 8months pregnant. It winds me up that the main big bosses make these changes sitting around a table in a posh meeting room....may be they should take a walk out their offices and meet us face to face so we can explain what it's like to live in the real world, lol

That would be inpossible though as they need a backbone to get up of there spineless fat derrières to come and talk to you

 

[MycuteBoys]

That would be inpossible though as they need a backbone to get up of there spineless fat derrières to come and talk to you

That's SOOO true, we lost our top boss and his replacement sent us a message via our monthly DVD's saying he does not plan to make changes that was just over a month ago he's made two big changes already...grrr.

 

[MycuteBoys]

Just an update:

To say I had to spilt oreo and alex up this afternoon i now have two single boars and a bonded pair. The behavior i listed above was just getting worse to the point oreo took to sitting and sleeping onto of his fiddle sticks tunnel all day yesterday he had been doing this on and off all week, Ive asked on here for your fab advice, ive ordered the c&c grids to block if the ramp in the hutch, ive given them time part etc etc but it clearly wasn't working
I notice on Wednesday or Thursday that oreo had a bite on his back it turns out under all that hair i found he has a few more . I had them in the run together for an hour today then all of a sudden I heard a load squeak from oreo (I'm guessing that alex bite him) I dashed to the utility room door to see oreo eating hay from the rack not taking any notice of Alex. I thought they had settled until I witnessed Alex properly go for oreo, the noise oreo made was awful and was upsetting I jumped into the run staight away and that sent alex running oreo was by now running about too still making that horrid noise, I bent down and called him a few time he jumped onto me, I checked him over for any injuries, I couldn't see any thankfully. He took awhile to settle down and stop the odd noise and heavy breathing.
Sadly That was it i knew they could not be together so I put oreo back into the hutch and Alex is now in the indoor cage.

 

[Davey-cavy]

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Just an update:

To say I had to spilt oreo and alex up this afternoon i now have two single boars and a bonded pair. The behavior i listed above was just getting worse to the point oreo took to sitting and sleeping onto of his fiddle sticks tunnel all day yesterday he had been doing this on and off all week, Ive asked on here for your fab advice, ive ordered the c&c grids to block if the ramp in the hutch, ive given them time part etc etc but it clearly wasn't working
I notice on Wednesday or Thursday that oreo had a bite on his back it turns out under all that hair i found he has a few more . I had them in the run together for an hour today then all of a sudden I heard a load squeak from oreo (I'm guessing that alex bite him) I dashed to the utility room door to see oreo eating hay from the rack not taking any notice of Alex. I thought they had settled until I witnessed Alex properly go for oreo, the noise oreo made was awful and was upsetting I jumped into the run staight away and that sent alex running oreo was by now running about too still making that horrid noise, I bent down and called him a few time he jumped onto me, I checked him over for any injuries, I couldn't see any thankfully. He took awhile to settle down and stop the odd noise and heavy breathing.
Sadly That was it i knew they could not be together so I put oreo back into the hutch and Alex is now in the indoor cage.

Aww no. That's sad. Is Oreo the poorly boy?