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Zeno 500 mini care

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Hi there I’m just wondering about care during Zeno treatment my 4 piggies they were continuously scratching and biting but no sign of ringworm lice or anything on their skin or fur…they were treated a week ago on Friday they hated it! They have 2 more treatments to go a total of 6 weeks with 2 week gaps for the 3 treatments but I wanted to bath them is it best to wait until after treatments are finished in case it affects the treatments in between I have read about bonding baths and was keen to try one one of my hairy girls is quite smelly 😂 I don’t think bathing would be a regular thing maybe once to be honest or not if it’s not recommended… many thanks x
 
Dont need to bathe while you are treating them.

Bonding baths is not the same thing as bathing a dirty guinea pig.
Bonding baths are when you put piggies who are not getting on into a bath together to try to make them friends. This is not recommended because you cannot make piggies like each other by bathing them

A very occasional bath for a piggy who is not keeping themselves clean or under a medical need is fine. I think your piggies are young, so they should not be having any problems in keeping clean. If piggy herself is smelly, then it would be a good idea to take a look at the bedding you are using etc, to see whether there may be an issue there

Bathing (including cleaning grease glands)
 
Thank you very much we have fleece bedding a big cage clean once a week spot clean twice a day unfortunately our 2 hairy girls love to pee and poo absolutely everywhere compared to our 2 short haired strange lol I did notice on one of my short haired piggy’s it looks like white stuff stuck down below and I have noticed when she tries to clean herself she’s not reaching she has gotten quite big only had them a month she is the queen of the cage as far as I can tell and will forage out food the fattest compared to the other 3 she’s very greedy
 
Piggies do pee and poop everywhere. Make sure you keep the hair on your long haired girls trimmed short around the back end and sides. This can help with matting as well as pee and poop staining, smells etc

Are you weighing them weekly? Does she have good heft for her body size? If she cannot get to her back end to clean, then there may be an issue with her size?
 
First thing is well done finding a vet that has prescribed 3 treatments 2 weeks apart because not all do! How heavy are your piggies - are they very young? There are 2 types of xeno and you have the mini-type so I'm wondering if you have little ones as the prescription is weight dependent. Mine are big chunkers!

The xeno will treat both mites and lice but not fungus. Mites are not usually visible - they can be detected by the vet using a microscope sometimes but if you have symptoms of intense scratching/nibbling and shedding hair - maybe even bald patches - mites are a common candidate and of course they are contagious so all piggies are treated together at the same time. Some mites live in the top layers of skin so when the xeno is applied (by spotting onto the skin) and absorbed throughout the system it kills the mites but they spasm as they die and this can cause very intense itching for a few hours. With low levels of mites you will barely notice anything but heavy infestations can be distressing to see. However it does pass and then piggy is much more comfortable. The second dose deals with eggs which need to hatch out before they can be killed, the third dose is to make sure none have slipped through the net! So they might also scratch a lot after their second dose but the third they shouldn't notice anything.

Xeno is pretty much gone after a few days so there is no need to bath anyone. The only pigs I bathe are perhaps ones which have urinary tract issues and are wet and dirty from dripping urine... these get a 'bum bath' in warm water rather than a full dip as bathing totally freaks them out whether they show it or not. One old girl had to have a full body shampoo for a fungal infection but she was the only one.

Personally I crop my long-haired girl as she hates being groomed but it depends on the type of hair. I'm not convinced that all long-hairs are able to naturally keep themselves clean as looking like a running wig isn't really a 'natural' look for a guinea pig - they've been bred like that! But all healthy pigs will do their best to keep clean and most manage it just fine. Long-hairs often need a trim around the bum and back legs where urine can wick up and start to stink - especially as sows will spray urine to repel piggies pestering them from behind and this can really spread up the bum fur! Louise gets a haircut every couple of months but she needs a bum-trim roughly every 4 weeks... it's pretty obvious when because her buns are usually white so the pee stains are an attractive touch!

Here she is before and after...
floofy exhaustion.webp 1 week in Louise.webp

If you are seeing white grit or crust stuck to the outside of the poops it might be from calcium in the urine. Piggies naturally pee out their excess calcium so you might notice their pee is a bit 'milky', but too much can cause issues like bladder sludge and stones. Gritty pee can make them sore and more prone to infections down below too. This is why the forum recommends limiting pellets and filtering drinking water as these are sources of high levels of calcium in the diet. If you have a pellet-monster who is hogging more than her share then you might well see a gritty calcium deposit on her pees/poops. Louise is my culprit here - although she's bottom pig she really loves those pellets and she is fatter than my boar! I make sure to have plenty of water bottles dotted about (4 between 3 pigs) so she can always drink to keep things flushing through.

It is quite natural for one pig to be dominant and first to the food, and this will make her grow faster, but I should just add one more thing. If you've not had the piggies very long and one is being very greedy and increasing in size maybe more than the others - well - is it possible she could be pregnant? Sometimes people have gotten young pigs from a breeder or a shop and one has already had an encounter with a boar - or maybe a young boar was accidently put in the sow group for a while until someone noticed. If you've had them for less than 10 weeks just keep an eye on her - I don't think it becomes obvious until the last couple of weeks. It's probably not this at all - but I'm just being over cautious in case I've missed anything!
 
You definitely need to complete the 3 rounds of treatment - one to kill the live ones, one to kill the hatchlings and the third to wipe out any stragglers.

Bonding baths are an old fashioned way thought to encourage bonding by everyone smelling the same. They really don’t work in terms of bonding. Is there a reason (other than hair care) that you feel you need to do something about bonding? Do they not all get on?

If you do decide to bath your long haired girl, you must wait at least 48 hours after topical application of mites treatment before bathing. However, a simple bum bath (warm wet flannel round the bum and back legs rather than a full on bath in a bowl of water is usually enough to give a freshen up, and if you are concerned about hygiene, most of us with long haired piggies keep them closely cropped around their rear end to help keep them clean.

You mention that one is rather round and not reaching her back end. You also say you’ve not had them long. How old are they, where did they come from and what do they each weigh? Is there any chance that they could have been with a boar before you got them? Could she be pregnant?
 
Piggies do pee and poop everywhere. Make sure you keep the hair on your long haired girls trimmed short around the back end and sides. This can help with matting as well as pee and poop staining, smells etc

Are you weighing them weekly? Does she have good heft for her body size? If she cannot get to her back end to clean, then there may be an issue with her size?
Thank you very much sorry what do you mean by heft? I think she’s ok it’s hard to tell as they are so young I will need to weigh them she was the heaviest at the vets 2 weeks ago and you can tell it’s all in her tummy my wee pudding Dolores :)
 
First thing is well done finding a vet that has prescribed 3 treatments 2 weeks apart because not all do! How heavy are your piggies - are they very young? There are 2 types of xeno and you have the mini-type so I'm wondering if you have little ones as the prescription is weight dependent. Mine are big chunkers!

The xeno will treat both mites and lice but not fungus. Mites are not usually visible - they can be detected by the vet using a microscope sometimes but if you have symptoms of intense scratching/nibbling and shedding hair - maybe even bald patches - mites are a common candidate and of course they are contagious so all piggies are treated together at the same time. Some mites live in the top layers of skin so when the xeno is applied (by spotting onto the skin) and absorbed throughout the system it kills the mites but they spasm as they die and this can cause very intense itching for a few hours. With low levels of mites you will barely notice anything but heavy infestations can be distressing to see. However it does pass and then piggy is much more comfortable. The second dose deals with eggs which need to hatch out before they can be killed, the third dose is to make sure none have slipped through the net! So they might also scratch a lot after their second dose but the third they shouldn't notice anything.

Xeno is pretty much gone after a few days so there is no need to bath anyone. The only pigs I bathe are perhaps ones which have urinary tract issues and are wet and dirty from dripping urine... these get a 'bum bath' in warm water rather than a full dip as bathing totally freaks them out whether they show it or not. One old girl had to have a full body shampoo for a fungal infection but she was the only one.

Personally I crop my long-haired girl as she hates being groomed but it depends on the type of hair. I'm not convinced that all long-hairs are able to naturally keep themselves clean as looking like a running wig isn't really a 'natural' look for a guinea pig - they've been bred like that! But all healthy pigs will do their best to keep clean and most manage it just fine. Long-hairs often need a trim around the bum and back legs where urine can wick up and start to stink - especially as sows will spray urine to repel piggies pestering them from behind and this can really spread up the bum fur! Louise gets a haircut every couple of months but she needs a bum-trim roughly every 4 weeks... it's pretty obvious when because her buns are usually white so the pee stains are an attractive touch!

Here she is before and after...
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If you are seeing white grit or crust stuck to the outside of the poops it might be from calcium in the urine. Piggies naturally pee out their excess calcium so you might notice their pee is a bit 'milky', but too much can cause issues like bladder sludge and stones. Gritty pee can make them sore and more prone to infections down below too. This is why the forum recommends limiting pellets and filtering drinking water as these are sources of high levels of calcium in the diet. If you have a pellet-monster who is hogging more than her share then you might well see a gritty calcium deposit on her pees/poops. Louise is my culprit here - although she's bottom pig she really loves those pellets and she is fatter than my boar! I make sure to have plenty of water bottles dotted about (4 between 3 pigs) so she can always drink to keep things flushing through.

It is quite natural for one pig to be dominant and first to the food, and this will make her grow faster, but I should just add one more thing. If you've not had the piggies very long and one is being very greedy and increasing in size maybe more than the others - well - is it possible she could be pregnant? Sometimes people have gotten young pigs from a breeder or a shop and one has already had an encounter with a boar - or maybe a young boar was accidently put in the sow group for a while until someone noticed. If you've had them for less than 10 weeks just keep an eye on her - I don't think it becomes obvious until the last couple of weeks. It's probably not this at all - but I'm just being over cautious in case I've missed anything!
Wow thank you so much for your thorough reply and beautiful pictures Louise is gorgeous love the hair 😍 yes your right I did think about pregnancy a few times I will keep a close eye I really hope this is not the case! The white bits I seen were actually in the front of her bum the vet said aww this is probably sawdust I wasn’t very happy they didn’t look at the girls skin or through thier fur they just recommended the Zeno and it’s the mini one yes cause the girls are young I would say between 10-16 weeks maybe 🤔 I will avoid bathing I think as the Zeno has already upset them as it is so wouldn’t want to put more pressure on them ahh that makes sense about the pee as I noticed there was lots of it spread up high in their furplast I have noticed they will chase each other’s back end and run about I hope this is just them figuring out who’s boss as I got 2 girls first then another 2 girls a few weeks later I am very worried about urine infections sludge and bladder stones I will make sure there is plenty water 4 bottles full I’m not sure do I definitely need to filter water as I’m in highlands Scotland the water is pretty soft here thanks so much for your help
 
Also yes I was lucky it would have been very expensive if the vet had prescribed the Zeno themselves but they did me a prescription permission slip and let me pick the pharmacy online and it saved quite a bit just annoying not knowing exactly what it could have been but it all started when we introduced our 2 new girls to the 2 first piggys I have noticed the scratching is almost gone and no biting now maybe just Dolores is scratching now thanks so much for your time and lovely reply really appreciate everyone’s help here x
 
Dory Marshmallow & Popcorn Dory is the same as Dolores big belly
 

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