Yet Another Boar Bonding Thread

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I've had my two boars for just over two weeks; they were 5 months old when I got them and had apparently been living together for most of their lives until that point.

When I initially put them into their new cage (a Ferplast 120), there was lots of dominance behaviour (mostly rumblestrutting and humping, with some very gentle teeth chatter after which the shenanigans died down for a while), with one of the chaps -- Tubs -- clearly acting more dominant out of the two. Both boars were bickering and chasing a fair bit, so I bought C&C grids as quickly as I could and set up a 3x4 cage for them hoping that the extra space would do the trick.

They've been in the new cage for four days, with two bowls/hay trays/water bottles etc, as well as lots of hideys. Within this time, the other boy (Flubs) has been a bit more testy, responding to Tubs' advances with rumblestrutting and occasional gentle teeth chattering and increasingly instigating these behaviours himself. Both have been directly lunging at each other, and this has been increasing in frequency over the past day or so (especially if one is in a hidey and the other one comes up to the entrance; all have two exits, don't worry!). Teeth don't puncture (only light nips if anything), and there are no bites or scratches that I can see, though they squeak at each other a lot quite loudly during stand-offs. Only a couple times has there been any 'screaming', and I think this is just submissive behaviour.

When not rumblestrutting at/humping each other, they are pretty good at avoiding one another -- unless Flubs is in the mood to harrass Tubs or vice versa, if one sees the other in one of the hay trays, they usually make an effort to go for the unoccupied one.

The loud squeaking and lunging are just making me really nervous, and I keep feeling like I have to stop what I'm doing to make sure I'm available to separate if it all devolves into a flying ball of fur. Does it sound like they might need separated soon? Has anyone got any tips?
 
I've had my two boars for just over two weeks; they were 5 months old when I got them and had apparently been living together for most of their lives until that point.

When I initially put them into their new cage (a Ferplast 120), there was lots of dominance behaviour (mostly rumblestrutting and humping, with some very gentle teeth chatter after which the shenanigans died down for a while), with one of the chaps -- Tubs -- clearly acting more dominant out of the two. Both boars were bickering and chasing a fair bit, so I bought C&C grids as quickly as I could and set up a 3x4 cage for them hoping that the extra space would do the trick.

They've been in the new cage for four days, with two bowls/hay trays/water bottles etc, as well as lots of hideys. Within this time, the other boy (Flubs) has been a bit more testy, responding to Tubs' advances with rumblestrutting and occasional gentle teeth chattering and increasingly instigating these behaviours himself. Both have been directly lunging at each other, and this has been increasing in frequency over the past day or so (especially if one is in a hidey and the other one comes up to the entrance; all have two exits, don't worry!). Teeth don't puncture (only light nips if anything), and there are no bites or scratches that I can see, though they squeak at each other a lot quite loudly during stand-offs. Only a couple times has there been any 'screaming', and I think this is just submissive behaviour.

When not rumblestrutting at/humping each other, they are pretty good at avoiding one another -- unless Flubs is in the mood to harrass Tubs or vice versa, if one sees the other in one of the hay trays, they usually make an effort to go for the unoccupied one.

The loud squeaking and lunging are just making me really nervous, and I keep feeling like I have to stop what I'm doing to make sure I'm available to separate if it all devolves into a flying ball of fur. Does it sound like they might need separated soon? Has anyone got any tips?

Hi! What age are your boys and what is their background?
Right now, they do not yet need separating, but certainly keeping an eye on. So far, they seem to be very careful about not crossing the line even if they come close to it. Lunging usually means "stay away from me". It is a fear-aggressive rather than an aggressive behaviour. The screaming is submissive/backing down behaviour.
You may find the information and tips in this link here helpful to judge things: Boars: Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
Illustrated Bonding Behaviours And Dynamics
 
My boys are 5 and a half months old, they came from a Gumtree freead (I know now that was not good :mal:). Both have a slight case of mites (currently being treated) -- that probably isn't helping matters. I've had my eyes glued to those links, but it's hard to judge when the line has been crossed... so far it seems if there's no blood, it's okay.

I know that some people advocate removing hideys when bonding, but this is only for the initial introduction, right?
 
My boys are 5 and a half months old, they came from a Gumtree freead (I know now that was not good :mal:). Both have a slight case of mites (currently being treated) -- that probably isn't helping matters. I've had my eyes glued to those links, but it's hard to judge when the line has been crossed... so far it seems if there's no blood, it's okay.

I know that some people advocate removing hideys when bonding, but this is only for the initial introduction, right?

You may want to remove any hideys that have only got one entrance if things are dicey. Boars usually experience a major spike around 6 months old when the testosterone output is at its highest. This is the trickiest age for bonding boars or changes of environment. Unfortunately, you will just have to play along for the moment. So far, the bond is not broken and they may yet settle down again. ;)
You find more information in the links I have given you in my first post; please read them carefully, as I cannot recount all the details.
 
Help! Tubs has a deep-ish bite on his nose, and a couple small scratches besides (see pictures). Is this enough to separate them?

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Maybe @Wiebke? This morning they've settled and just the usual rumblestrutting and humping.

I would keep an eye on them and make sure that you only got hideys with two exits, so no pig can get caught in a dead end. it looks like they did have a serious tussle.

If you are in doubt, the tips for dysfunctional boar bonds work - it is the bsest way of testing whether you are still in with a chance or not.
Boars: Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
 
Thanks @Wiebke. I'm going to keep a very close eye on them today, and if there's one more scratch or if they end up fighting (which I haven't seen yet), that's it.

If I got them both neutered, would they be able to each live with a sow in seperate C&C cages in the same room? Or would the smell of the other sow set them off?
 
Thanks @Wiebke. I'm going to keep a very close eye on them today, and if there's one more scratch or if they end up fighting (which I haven't seen yet), that's it.

If I got them both neutered, would they be able to each live with a sow in seperate C&C cages in the same room? Or would the smell of the other sow set them off?

Just follow the tips in the guide if necessary. it is well worth reading through as I have made it as detailed as possible to answer all possible scenarios.

Mixed gender pairs can live next to each other. I have currently got 4 neutered boars living with 1-5 sows each in adjoining pens.
If you want to go down the neutering route after a fall-out, you need to make sure that you have got access to a good piggy neutering vet in order to cut down on the otherwise still rather too common risks of post-op complications. It really makes all the difference! However, once initial acceptance when bonding has happened, mixed pars are the most stable of bondings.

Your other option would be to contact Tess Valley rescue as your closest piggy savvy one for a spot of boar-on-boar dating. I woul also recommend to use them for dating your neutered boars to make sure that any new bond is a happy one.
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