Winter Insulation

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squeakysmallpaws

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Hi,

I was hoping for some advice.

I moved a few months ago back to London with work. My guinea pigs were previously kept indoors but as I've moved from a house to a flat with much less space I bought a hutch for the garden for them.

The hutch itself was a pretty basic one in terms of wood quality but I decided to buy a "cheaper" hutch and spend a couple of hundred pounds insulating it myself. The hutch has loft insulation all around it - even underneath. I used a mixture of different things, the bubble wrap style insulation and the foil type insulation (all designed for keeping houses insulated and purchased from B&Q). The entire hutch was then felted. On top of that I bought a thermal cover to put over the whole thing.

I also screwed in a wireless thermometer which has a small neat base station in the house. It's a really handy little thing as it tells me what the temperature is in the hutch. (For anyone interested I got it from Amazon - it's called ClimeMet wireless thermometer - it wasn't very expensive, about £20).

It's the bank holiday so I've used the time to start getting the guinea pigs winter ready and have moved them into the shed.

I've placed carpet underneath the hutch around the back and blankets on top. The weather has certainly turned cooler although I wouldn't necessarily call it cold.

I'm noticing around 2am that the hutch is still dropping to 15 degrees. Which is ok (the high temperature during the day has been 19 degrees - so not a big sudden drop and it decreases slowly - for example right now at 7pm the hutch is still 18 degrees - the same temperature as my flat!) and they have lots of fleecy cosies to snuggles into), but I'm worried about when the weather really starts getting chilly. There's not much more I can think of in terms of insulation.

The shed doesn't have electric and there's no way to get electricity to the shed. I'm in a flat and not on the ground floor. While I understand that insulation prevents heat from escaping it doesn't do anything to generate heat and that's where I'm looking for some help.

The hutch is raised off the ground. I wondered about buying some water bottles and placing these underneath the hutch (obviously not inside the hutch) hoping that the heat from them will keep the floor warm and help to generate some heat.

I will buy some snuggle safe heat pads aswell to put inside.

I really would like to get some sort of heater in there but I hear gas fires can be potentially dangerous because of the Co2 emissions. Also, if I got a gas fire and just switched it on for an hour or two in an evening I'm worried that turning off will cause a "sudden drop" in temperature which I know is dangerous.

So I guess my overall question is, does anyone here have any ideas how I can keep the shed nice and cosy during the really cold weather when there is no access to electricity in a shed?

If people have used Gas fires and find that, that works - that would be good to hear. I just had some worries about them.

This will be their first winter outside but they have been outside since May of this year.

I'd prefer to try and keep them outside because they have much more space in the hutch then they would have indoors, but of course if I really can't find a way to keep the temperature nice and stable for them they will have to come indoors. Just thought would ask for some hints and tips from people who may have effectively dealt with the same situation.

Thanks
 
It's sounding from your post that this hutch is in a shed - so at least it will be kept dry.
I would not use a gas fire for the reason you have already stated yourself. A lot of forum members recommend the snuggle safe heating pads.
I am glad you are keeping an eye on the temperature as this will be the real decider about whether your insulation and using heating pads works.
have you seen these 2 threads?
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/...are-for-guinea-pigs.54309/page-5#post-1492549
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/snuggle-safe-heating-pads.117658/page-2
 
Hi,

Yep the shed does have a window. It's a brand new shed, only delivered and built last week. I wanted them to have some natural daylight.

Of course I'm still going to need a light because soon enough I will be travelling home in the dark from work. I did wonder about the solar lights but I wasn't sure how bright they would be? I have this on my shopping list:

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/3400645.htm

My ex had one, his bathroom light went but the ceilings were so high and he didn't have a ladder, so he went out to buy this (he should have just bought a ladder - but, men! haha) it was so bright, as bright as a light bulb and it's rechargeable. It lasted ages but when it starts to go I can just bring it in and recharge it.

I will check out the links and read them through properly. Thanks.

I might need to look on ebay for some snuggle safe heatpads as it's probably worth me getting quite a few but they're really expensive if you want to start buying more than a couple.
 
Hi,

Of course I'm still going to need a light because soon enough I will be travelling home in the dark from work. I did wonder about the solar lights but I wasn't sure how bright they would be? I have this on my shopping list:
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/3400645.htm

My ex had one, his bathroom light went but the ceilings were so high and he didn't have a ladder, so he went out to buy this (he should have just bought a ladder - but, men! haha) it was so bright, as bright as a light bulb and it's rechargeable. It lasted ages but when it starts to go I can just bring it in and recharge it.
This looks great - I tried to buy one when we went camping last week and all sold out - they are back in stock now we're back though - doh! Have gone through many torches in the past and tons of batteries so a good rechargable one would be great, so might give this a go - cheers! (add to list of many things I now want for my shed lol!).
 
Could you compare the temp outside to in the hutch and see how much your gaining with the insulation ? could you also take a picture so we can maybe see if anyone can improve the design/show you theres ? maybe someone can tell you what the max and min safe temp is for a guinea pig so you can work with those guide lines in mind ? x
 
Don't under estimate the piggies capacity to stay warm themselves. Given snuggle sacks, and plenty of bedding, always use deep bedding, and avoid damp. It is draughts and damp, rather than cold that gets to piggies. Reflective/self heating pads help, if they don't chew them, that way, they contain their own body heat.
 
It sounds like you have done everything to keep them warm and I would be hesitant to do anything else in case they become too hot.

The shed and hutch are sheltered from the elements so there will be no damp or draft so thats good and they can snuggle up and keep themselves warm.

My hutches are outside but not in a shed and my pigs are fine. Ive insulted and protected like you and I will be buying the snuggle safe pads for them when it gets cold. They are protected from the rain and wind and its warm inside their cage and they are fine :)
 
It sounds like you have done everything to keep them warm and I would be hesitant to do anything else in case they become too hot.

The shed and hutch are sheltered from the elements so there will be no damp or draft so thats good and they can snuggle up and keep themselves warm.

My hutches are outside but not in a shed and my pigs are fine. Ive insulted and protected like you and I will be buying the snuggle safe pads for them when it gets cold. They are protected from the rain and wind and its warm inside their cage and they are fine :)

My free range girls were out in a run, protected on 3 sides, with a solid roof, with well bedded hutches during the winter of 2009/10 & 11 no additional insulation or heat, just a lot of piggies and snuggled together!
 
It sounds like you have done everything to keep them warm and I would be hesitant to do anything else in case they become too hot.

The shed and hutch are sheltered from the elements so there will be no damp or draft so thats good and they can snuggle up and keep themselves warm.

My hutches are outside but not in a shed and my pigs are fine. Ive insulted and protected like you and I will be buying the snuggle safe pads for them when it gets cold. They are protected from the rain and wind and its warm inside their cage and they are fine :)
My free range girls were out in a run, protected on 3 sides, with a solid roof, with well bedded hutches during the winter of 2009/10 & 11 no additional insulation or heat, just a lot of piggies and snuggled together!

The other problem is cleaning them out if they are outside in the winter - it may not be a problem for the guinea pigs - but it certainly is a problem for their slaves.
 
I'm lucky in that my shed has electricity installed, its great in the winter when its chucking it down, dark and miserable. I put the light and heating on and clean them in comfort. ;)
 
I went out late last night to lock the boys in the hutch - they were already totally cuddled up in the bedroom part, in with the huge pile of hay and cardboard igloos - the patch of hay they were sleeping on was so toasty from their body heat it made me realise just what great little water bottles they are!

Just glad they are in the shed so I can get a bit of shelter too when cleaning - I will need more insulating than then

The key is that the wet is a poor conductor of heat, keep everything dry and it will retain their heat well - I'm sounding Bear Grylls I know lol
 
The other problem is cleaning them out if they are outside in the winter - it may not be a problem for the guinea pigs - but it certainly is a problem for their slaves.
HeHeHe, that is why my boys now are inside! Going down the garden in the dark, morning and evening with my torch, bring in back frozen water bottles was not fun! I had about 20 bottles, used in rotation, with insulation, did not stop them freezing in 2010/11.
 
I've been keeping an eye on the thermometre. For the last couple of nights it's not dropped below 17 degrees which I'm really pleased about. It's been 19 degrees in the house without the heating on. I might get another "connector" type thing to tell me the outside temperature - I.e. just screw it onto the shed because it would be interesting to know how well the hutch is at insulating itself. But it's not a must have, just something I'm quite curious about too.

as piggysmitten pointed out is recent thread, the snuggle safe heat pads are on offer at vet UK at the moment - £10.98 each

http://www.vetuk.co.uk/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=heat pads

That's great, thanks for the link. I missed this previously. I've ordered two for now. Will order another two later on when they need them during the day aswell as night.

I am pleased as well about having them in a shed. It's just rained none stop all weekend since I moved them on Friday! In the summer it was great I'd get home from work I had my table and chair, the piggies had their huge run, and I'd sit out and eat dinner (or have a glass of wine with them on a Friday, haha), but when it's raining I can't do that. But I've put a nice chair and table in the shed so I can sit in there with them and still spend time with them. I don't want it to become like, "run outside to feed them, run back inside because it's freezing" and never spend any time with them.

I need to figure out how to keep me warm when it's really cold! I'm thinking thermos flask, and maybe a ski suit! haha. ;-)
 
I need to figure out how to keep me warm when it's really cold! I'm thinking thermos flask, and maybe a ski suit! haha. ;-)

lol - yes, now the piggies are well toasty I will be totally wrapped up when I see them during the night (when out with the scope) - the sky was so clear here last night the temp was 2 degrees! But yesterday the shed was we up in the mid twenties - had the piggies out of it then - the temp highs and low are extreme in a timber shed with no real insulation yet.

I have folding camp chairs in my shed and love sitting with them if its raining outside - a great escape from the madness of the house :D
 
Hello guys,
I am new to this and am not sure how to post a question or anything, anyway...I have been thinking about moving my two sows to the shed with their hutch in there as well. I was hoping that I could use fleece liners on the floor on top of lino and also have my hutch with the door open so the piggies can roam free in the shed as they please. If I was able to pull this off would i also need to insulate my shed? Thank you xx
 
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