Who’s the Dominant Piggy?

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This is more of a fun question for a new piggy owner :)

My two piggies, Button and Ziptie, were already a bonded pair when I got them. They’re super close, only playful nipping and biting, and have a healthy and well established relationship.

But I always assumed Button was the dominant one. He’s more outgoing, less shy and skittish, is quite the wheeker, and is much bigger than Ziptie. He also puts up quite the fight when handling, he’s not the freezing type but the kick and run type.

So all things considered, he was dominant. Done deal. Except Ziptie is the one who rumblestruts EVERYWHERE and mounts Button constantly. Anytime I clean the cage, he’s rumblestrutting. When I got them, I was actually worried his rumbles were a URI because they were so quiet at first, but now, he’s real bold with asserting his dominance.

I also assumed his mounting was out of nerves. He usually mounts Button when he’s scared or stressed. Button has never mounted him, nor have I heard him rumble strut. He’s kind of blase and strangely submissive when it comes to Ziptie. But when it comes to food or his favorite hidey, he often kicks Ziptie out and Ziptie has to take his leftovers, or his bed when he’s become distracted.

So my questions are, is a dominant bond set in stone (meaning strict)? Can a pair have semi-dominance based on certain desires? Can a significantly smaller and shyer pig dominate a large and talkative piggy? Is this the exception because they’re a bonded pair, meaning they’ve likely known each other since birth and can have relaxed hierarchies because of their closeness? Does their personality affect dominance? What about how they interact with humans versus how they interact with other pigs? Does Button’s easier tameability correlate with his dominance?

I know I shouldn’t think of it in human terms, but I like the idea that Button allows Ziptie to pretend he’s in charge out of endearment, affection, or indifference, but then silently asserts himself when it comes to areas he cares about (basically food) without using “traditional” dominance tactics so as to not embarrass Ziptie. Ziptie’s shy, but will not hesitate to hatch escape plans when in lap time.

But maybe I’m “humanizing” their natural instincts too much. Button does run away when he’s mounted. I guess my personal biases just can’t fathom how Ziptie’s dominant other than Button can’t bother to be. Maybe my gender roles associations are too rigid, and not understanding of different species. It’s not like Button’s submissive in any way—when he’s hungry or annoyed or even dismissive of Ziptie, he makes it very clear, and Ziptie backs off or has to take the worse bed, etc, etc. What do you think? Lemme know!
 
Physical size and confidence has nothing to do with who is the dominant pig. My most shy piggy is Popcorn but he is the dominant of my boar pair - he is the one who rumbles constantly and mounts Dexter but is most Likely to run off when I enter the shed, took him best part of two years before he took food from my hand, won’t let me touch him etc. Dexter who is most confident, let’s me tickle his chin, is interested in what I’m doing and when I enter their shed, takes food from my hand is the submissive of the pair.
how old are your pair?
However, when Dex and Pops first came to me, as teenagers, Dexter mounted and Popcorn rumbled and it’s only been in the last year (my boys are now coming up to three years old) that Dexter has stopped doing either and has completely left Popcorn to do it all. Their bond worked like this, they’ve got on brilliantly. I think wiebke refers to piggies where there is no clear dominant as both undertake dominant behaviours as happy rumblers and mountain climbers but even in this situation there still is a dominant piggy and the piggies who know it is even if it isn’t clear to us.
 
I see! My piggies are less than a year. I don’t know their exact age, but they’re pretty young and are still growing too.

I guess I’m just surprised. I assumed their personality determined dominance, but they’re teaching me new things everyday! There’s no analogies I can think of (besides period cycles aligning) that helps me comprehend this, so I’ll just trust their bond and the perplexity that is cavvies! They get along swimmingly, after all, and I just wanted to know for fun. I’m still curious why Ziptie allows Button to take over everything he wants. I know Ziptie just waits for Button to leave the hammock in order for him to go in, or has to give up some good food to Button. It’s come to a point that I feed their fruit or carrots separately because Button takes everything and stashes it/guards it lol
 
I see! My piggies are less than a year. I don’t know their exact age, but they’re pretty young and are still growing too.

I guess I’m just surprised. I assumed their personality determined dominance, but they’re teaching me new things everyday! There’s no analogies I can think of (besides period cycles aligning) that helps me comprehend this, so I’ll just trust their bond and the perplexity that is cavvies! They get along swimmingly, after all, and I just wanted to know for fun. I’m still curious why Ziptie allows Button to take over everything he wants. I know Ziptie just waits for Button to leave the hammock in order for him to go in, or has to give up some good food to Button. It’s come to a point that I feed their fruit or carrots separately because Button takes everything and stashes it/guards it lol
Please bear in mind that with boys who aren't through their teenage years yet you need to be very careful and make sure they really have nothing to suddenly fight over.
For example they really need two of everything, so if the hammock is the popular bed then it would be better to have 2 of them.
Feeding high value foods (fruit and carrot) by hand and just one piece each (which is all they should have) will also make sure it can's be stashed and guarded.
 
Please bear in mind that with boys who aren't through their teenage years yet you need to be very careful and make sure they really have nothing to suddenly fight over.
For example they really need two of everything, so if the hammock is the popular bed then it would be better to have 2 of them.
Feeding high value foods (fruit and carrot) by hand and just one piece each (which is all they should have) will also make sure it can's be stashed and guarded.

Yes, I’m in the process of making them another hammock but I haven’t had much time to whip out the sewing machine. I do hand feed when it comes to their fruit, but Button still takes it from Ziptie’s mouth and hides it. Ziptie usually gives up after a minute. I’m worried Button will get too much sugar, and while I do take it from him, it’s pretty hard to get him away from the fruit once I give it back since he’ll just drop his and make sure he has Ziptie’s too. They’re such siblings, I swear lol
 
Yes, I’m in the process of making them another hammock but I haven’t had much time to whip out the sewing machine. I do hand feed when it comes to their fruit, but Button still takes it from Ziptie’s mouth and hides it. Ziptie usually gives up after a minute. I’m worried Button will get too much sugar, and while I do take it from him, it’s pretty hard to get him away from the fruit once I give it back since he’ll just drop his and make sure he has Ziptie’s too. They’re such siblings, I swear lol

It’s entirely normal for them to take food from each other’s mouths - its not something you can stop. However, it might be best to use something healthier for hand feeding or as treats such as herbs. Mine never get fruit
 
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