What's Best For Bereaved Piggy - Please Advise!

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On Wednesday night we had to help our oldest piggie, Milly, to go over the Bridge. We didn't realise how ill she was until it was too late - she was always very quiet, and she just hid it so well. It wasn't until the last couple of days that we thought something was up. I feel very bad about this, although the lovely vet told me not to feel guilty. Anyway, Milly's lungs were in an "horrendous" state, and they said they'd never seen a piggy with lungs that bad to recover, so as we very much trust the excellent vets there, we agreed it was best to let her go.

Now the problem is that Milly's cage mate Angelina is on her own, although there is another cage next to her (about 18 inches away) with Flora and Ivy. I asked the vet whether it was advisable to observe a quarantine before seeking a new companion for Angelina, and she said that it would be wise (2 weeks) although she thought it very unlikely that that she will have caught anything, especially as she is much younger (around 2 years). However, much better safe than sorry.

But what I am really worrying about is do we show Milly's body to Angelina when we bring her home for burial (we are collecting her sometime today). Angelina was exceptionally devoted to Milly, and I am concerned that if she realises she's not coming back, and then has to wait 2 weeks on her own, whether she will go into a decline. Back in the summer, they had to spend 10 days apart while Milly was staying at the vets being treated for a non-healing eye ulcer, and although Angelina coped, she did lose a bit of weight, and when Milly came home again, was absolutely overjoyed.

Also, would there be any further risk of infection if we show her Milly? When it was Milly herself who was bereaved, we did bring her friend home from the vets and show her what had happened, but in that case the death was due to failiure to recover from a complicated spay, not an illness as such. Also we were able to take Milly dating very quickly.

Angelina seems okay at the moment, eating well, and about as lively as you'd expect in the circumstances. She even popcorned when I was chatting to her! But as far as she is concerned, Milly has just vanished, and maybe she is hoping she is going to come back, as happened last time. I don't know how she would manage to realise that Milly has actually died.

What do I do? Do I let her face facts, as it were, and hope it won't hit her too hard, or do I let her carry on hoping? Or will she just gradually accept that Milly isn't around, and then be ready for a new friend at the end of the quarantine?

Please help me someone! I have gone on at great length, and I hope someone has had the patience to get to the end! My head is spinning with worrying about what's best for Angelina.
 
I'm so sorry to hear about Milly - we have just lost our oldest one.

When we had two boys and one died we put a mirror and a stuffed toy guinea pig in with the survivor and he seemed fine - he used to push the toy around a bit just like he did his friend. After a few weeks we got two baby girls who we kept in an adjacent cage and that worked.

My gut feeling would be to show Angelina the body and then give her lots of tlc but it isn't an easy decision - I wish you all the best.
 
Piggies grieve just like us and need time to get used to the idea that a cagemate has died. Showing them the body can upset them but then they know what's happened and can move on. Recently we ahd the saem issue when Suilven died after an illness and was in the vets for a few days before he died. We showed Struan his body and although Struan got a bit upset, he's now ok and snuggling up to us a lot and has a date lined up for a new buddy.

She will gradually get used to the idea of being alone even if you don't show her Milly but it can help with closure. They grieve and pine but also they don't have the same complex hopes and fears about the future that we do so she may well be adjusting to things her own way and although she is happy and eating well a companion of her own kind is always a good idea.

It's great you've done the dating thing before so you know what to expect and how to go about that. I am sure you and Angelina will know when the time is right for a new friend although often the piggies are ready for that well before we are... It's hard to have a new piggy but it's not so much about replacing the one you've lost as giving a new piggy a fresh start in a 5* home.

Good luck and hugs to Angelina.
 
Thankyou katew and MerryPip for your replies, they were very helpful. My husband has just driven off to the vets to collect Milly's body - I think he is going to ask them for their opinion as well, but last time this happened (when Harriet died, Milly's original companion), they advised us to show Milly her body, so I expect they will do the same in these circumstances.

It's going to be awful actually seeing Milly not alive anymore. When it was Harriet that died, Milly sort of sniffed at her, then lay down right next to her. It absolutely broke us. But then she took on a really new lease of life with Angelina - they made a lovely pair.

We do want to take Angelina dating as soon as the quarantine is over, I don't want her to be alone for longer than needed. We've already spoken to Alice at Windwhistle Warren, and she says that sadly she has many guinea pigs available at the moment. Angelina is so incredibly sweet and gentle, I'm sure she will be able to find a new friend. She's very loving and affectionate, I really think she's got the nicest nature of any piggie I've ever known.

I would like to give Angelina a toy, but I can't seem to see any dog toys that don't have squeakers in them. I've also looked at baby toys online, but haven't been sure what to go for.

MerryPip, I hope Struan finds a lovely friend when you take him dating!
 
MerryPip, I hope Struan finds a lovely friend when you take him dating!

Me too! Looking forward to it although it's only been a week since we lost Suilven and we are still hurting from that.

It is heart breaking showing a piggy their friend who has gone but I think it helps them to understand.

Many people find the 'rattie' toys from Ikea make great piggy companions if there is a store near you or a friend who lives near one. They have a number of cheap 'baby or piggy friendly cuddly toys' Something vaguely piggy shaped is good. We used to have a blue sausage dog shaped dog toy that the boys used to throw around :)
 
I have just buried Patches and it was odd handling her little body, but in a strange way it helped because it confirmed that she had gone.

The worst I had was when I had our first guinea pig euthanized and they brought him out in a coffin-shaped box - I completely broke down and I think the vet thought I was overreacting.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
 
I am sorry that you lost Milly :( You may find this thread helpful http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/looking-after-a-bereaved-piggy.109674/

I have lost four guinea pigs now :( The first one, Connie I found had died overnight in her hutch. She just looked like she was asleep and her friend Eliza was snuggled next to her. It was heartbreaking to see.

The other 3 Eleanor, Erin and Ena I sadly had to have PTS at the vets :( Each time they were wrapped in the fleece that they had travelled on. I must admit, I couldn't bare the thought of unwrapping then to show their friends which I do feel awful about.

It never gets any easier x
 
I am very sorry for your loss; I have lost my Rhosyn yesterday and my Bethan on the previous Thursday; both unexpectedly.

I always wrap my piggies in kitchen paper and tie a sprig of suitable seasonal flowers on it, whether I bury them directly in the garden or have them cremated.

Most has been already said and Claire has given you the link to the bereavement thread in our Rainbow pets section. You may want to create some kind of memorial, be a stone with Millie's name, a special plant, a picture, or sponsoring a permanent resident piggy in Millie's name at the rescue you are getting a new friend from for Angelina.

Your two closest recommended rescues are Windhwistle Warren near Cheltenham and the RSCPA Burford. There is also a small rescue this side of Bristol. Both rescues offer dating for bereaved piggies, so you can let Angelina decide who she wants to share her future life with. Age is less important than character compatibility, and you can look at both sows or neutered boars. I have gone that route with several bereaved piggies of mine and always come off with a very loving new relationship! It has made the grieiving process much easier. Here is our recommended good standard rescues locator: http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/pages/guinea-pig-rescue-locator/

You may also find this recent thread here helpful to cope with your feelings of guilt: http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/feeling-guilty.109975/

You are most welcome to post a tribute to Millie in our Rainbow Bridge Pets section.
 
Many thanks everyone. Well, Angelina didn't behave at all as I expected she would on being shown Milly's body. I thought she would exhibit signs of being upset, but she barely looked at Milly, and just went past her and started exploring the room. So, we picked her up and showed her Milly again, but the same thing happened - no interest, just going off exploring again. At that point we supposed that Angelina had just accepted the situation in her own way, and we were rather relieved to be able to wrap up Milly again, and to put her in her shoe box ready for burial in our garden. I picked some sprays of fuschia, which were all I could find outside at this time of year, and put them in with her. Milly looked quite peaceful, but to be honest, and it is not very nice at all to say this, there was a noticeable odour, and we rather wanted to get the process over as soon as possible.

Our other piggies weren't shown Milly, as they hadn't actually lived with her, but one of them, Ivy, behaved very strangely. She went very still, and was doing that odd rapid chirping noise. Personally I think she was upset by the smell. She's fine now though.

After Angelina had seen Milly, I was cuddling Angelina, and she was being her usual self, trying to tear holes in my cardigan! I put her back in her cage, along with a cuddly dog toy I bought this afternoon (according to the label it is a "standing cow", but as the chap in the petshop said, it looks more like a skunk!) She showed far more interest in this than she had done in Milly. She has been tucking into her food, and her behaviour is giving us no worry at all. It's so strange, we really dreaded the day that Milly would die and leave Angelina, because she seemed really to love and virtually to worship her, but she has accepted Milly's death amazingly well. I'd almost say that she doesn't even seem to mind, but I suppose she must do. In fact, Angelina seemed much more subdued and sad when Milly was staying at the vets a few months back. I sort of wondered this time whether Angelina knew Milly was ill and on the way out before we did, and came to terms with it a while ago. Who knows.

Anyway, subject to Angelina staying fit and healthy, we will be paying a visit to Windwhistle in a couple of weeks.
 
Excellent news. I think sometimes they know about these things way more than we give them credit for. They know when a fellow piggy is ill and then seem to know when they aren't going to get better so it may be Angelina already knew that Milly was sick and wasn't coming back and has accepted that.

Good new you are going dating once you're sure there's no health issues. Good luck. x
 
Thankyou katew and MerryPip for your replies, they were very helpful. My husband has just driven off to the vets to collect Milly's body - I think he is going to ask them for their opinion as well, but last time this happened (when Harriet died, Milly's original companion), they advised us to show Milly her body, so I expect they will do the same in these circumstances.

It's going to be awful actually seeing Milly not alive anymore. When it was Harriet that died, Milly sort of sniffed at her, then lay down right next to her. It absolutely broke us. But then she took on a really new lease of life with Angelina - they made a lovely pair.

We do want to take Angelina dating as soon as the quarantine is over, I don't want her to be alone for longer than needed. We've already spoken to Alice at Windwhistle Warren, and she says that sadly she has many guinea pigs available at the moment. Angelina is so incredibly sweet and gentle, I'm sure she will be able to find a new friend. She's very loving and affectionate, I really think she's got the nicest nature of any piggie I've ever known.

I would like to give Angelina a toy, but I can't seem to see any dog toys that don't have squeakers in them. I've also looked at baby toys online, but haven't been sure what to go for.

MerryPip, I hope Struan finds a lovely friend when you take him dating!
I have bought toys from mother care and they have worked well. I also got some babys first Christmas toys from tesco recently as pigs cant read I didnt think they would mind. Just make sure no eyes etc to come off
 
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