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Victoria and the Bubs

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I weighed Victoria and the bubs today
they are underweight
Victoria was 700gms
'White face' 100gms
'Dark face' 95gms
i'm getting some critical care
i was wondering if their was a weight chart or something on line to use as a guide
especially in the length weight ratio?
 
I'm sure on lynx they have weights of pigs of different ages and as they grow up, not sure how reliable it is :)
 
Ron

When Womble gave birth she was over 1kg and she dropped to about 800g. The babies I've had here have ranged from 70g to 100g at birth, so I don't think the baby's weights are too bad, and Mum is quite small / young isn't she?

Womble's babies looked very skinny for the first few days, you could really see their hip bones and they just looked like they weren't going to make it - but then started on putting on weight. I hope the same happens with yours! Critical care will help, I've got a spare packet here too if needed!

Have you got any more recent pics?

Fingers crossed,

Sophie
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hoping victoria and the babies start putting on some weight soon. send hugs and healing vibes :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: at least they are now getting the care and love they need O0 the girls send :-* :-* :-*
 
awwwwwwwww daddy Ron is worrying as usual :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
Let us know on an update love, i'm sure you'll be doing everything for them :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
 
Baby weights are ok I have had Mums as small as low 600gs after birth and all did very well. Added extras don't do any harm, criical care, goats milk, anything extra you can give them would be helpful. Some bubs do look terribly skinny Merrys bubs looked all skinny when they were born but 4 days on they are fattening nicely ad popcorning like divvys.
Keep up the good work Ron you are doing a great Job O0
 
i read on guinea lynx that you can use watered down pellet feed but i'm not too hapy about what thats got init!
But forgot the goats milk thing got loads of that as well!
 
Hope they are ok Ron, Babe's weights don't sound too bad really. Maybe get some cc to be on the safe side. I have a supply in just incase. Maybe ask your vet rather than spending a fortune on SPH Supplies. :)
 
Victoria passed away today But my problem is i think its a genetic problem that is causing all this as all the ones that have died have been the light pink eyed tricolour pastels and what ever it is takes them with in 12 to 24 hours They go quiet hunched up they have wet bottoms thier may be some soiling from droppings but not much then they get uncomfortable moving around stretching etc then have a small fit/seizure then pass away all the time peeping
None of the others in this group have shown any signs
Does any one have any ideas what this could be i have ruled out bacterial infection as Victoria has lasted 5 weeks and i am worried for Billie who is 5 weeks old Monday 9th June is living with a ticking time bomb i have no idea how to stop? :(
 
Would it be worth having a post mortem done on Victoria? Horrible though it may sound it might get to the cause of the problem & you might be able to stop it before it affects the others?
 
taking Billie to vets tuesday afternoon and see what he thinks
reading through the Peter Gurney website it sounds like they all had heart attacks so it could be a heart defect thats the problem
not a lot on the web about genetic disorders of guinea pigs took me a while to find a close enough discription
 
good luck at the vets tomorrow with billie O0 sending hugs and healing vibes and hoping billie gets the all clear :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: were all the others one sex? or both sexes? were there other similarities apart from color of fur and eyes? again hoping all goes well, keep us posted O0
 
I think they where all related ie brother and sisters and they have been cross breeding thing is i think Helen is from a different group and is mother to Gwain, Arthur, Louise.
So hopefully are not affected in the same way

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Mr Pig passed away at Sophiew's 24 hours after arriving
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Victoria
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Alice passed away two days later
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Beatrice passed away the next morning parents unknown but has all the same colours as the three above
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Billie and Charlie born to Victoria three days after arriving
Charlie had a very pronounced shake Billies was less pronounced Charlie died 2 weeks later
Fingers crossed for the other 'babies' that being bred out of this trio has removed the 'fault'
We where told when they where collected that some had disappeared or taken But now thinking maybe they had passed on and where taken by predators
Such a mess and so heart breaking keep the fingers crossed! :smitten:
 
Hi Ron,

Just thinking do you think they could be hidden lethals? My knowledge is limited but perhaps a mutation of the roan gene or roan hidden in the parents. Good idea about getting Billie checked. I hope nothing happens to him. They were all gorgeous such a sad story.

Louise
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foun this prowling th wb
[colorr]Somtims lthals pop out of sows that on't hav any roaning whatsovr. r th mothr may b roan, but you know who th fathr is an h osn't look roan. Thr ar basically two possibilitis.

Nw mutation in roan gn: Your baby lthal just happn to b so unlucky that h got a form copy of th roan gn from on parnt, an thn whn h shoul hav gottn a normal copy from th othr parnt, somhow in th DNA copying procss, thr was an rror an now that on osn't work ithr. This is probably not that common, but mutations ar known to happn.

oaning is hin in th parnt(s): You might not hav look clos nough to s that Da has a spot on his back whr fiv whit hairs ar mix in with his 50 million black hairs. r Mom has othr gns causing whit hair, an roaning has no visibl ffct.
Th roan gn can affct th intstins as wll
also foun this
[colorr]How os th roan gn mak lthals?
Whil mammal mbryos ar vloping, thy hav a "tub" own thir backs call th nural tub. A strip along this tub is call th nural crst, an all nurons (nrv clls) start out in th nural crst. Pigmnt (color) clls ar a spcial kin of nuron.

Normally, at crtain points in thir vlopmnt, mbryos mak various protins that act as signals to th nural crst to rlas th nurons, which thn travl across th boy an fill it with nrvs an pigmnt clls. If th gns for any of ths protins ar chang, though, th protin won't work. Diffrnt brokn protins caus iffrnt problms, but basically, som typs of nurons on't lav th nural crst an spra throughout th boy. In guina pigs ths inclu pigmnt clls an th nrvs that mak up th back of th y, an possibly somtims nrvs in th igstiv systm that stimulat th muscls to kp it moving.

Aftr oing a lot of raing, I think th protin that's brokn in lthal whit guina pigs is call MITF (microphthalmia-inucing transcription factor). MITF is associat with similar isorrs in hamstrs an mic, causing whit hair, small or missing ys, an skltal formitis incluing tooth problms. MITF is also associat with othr procsss in th boy, lik bon formation an growth, an form MITF can scrw with that procss, rsulting in th tth formitis most lthals hav.

Dafnss in lthals may b a rsult of nurons nvr gtting to th innr ar, or it coul b rlat to th lack of pigmnt. If th innr ar has no pigmnt clls, th nrv clls rlat to haring can i off. This is sn in othr animals, such as cats, whr whit cats can b af. Dalmatian ogs with whit ars ar much mor likly to b af than ons with spott or patchy ars.

A singl form copy of th MITF gn causs roan or almatian markings in pigs. Th protin-making procss works on both copis of th gn, so th pics of MITF floating aroun ar half goo an half ba. Th goo ons triggr normal nuron movmnt from th nural crst, but thr's only half as much of it as in a pig with two goo copis of th gn. So about half as many pigmnt clls gt out in tim to mak it all ovr th boy. Thrfor, th whit hairs of roans an als ar, lik th whit hairs of lthals, not attach to pigmnt clls. Th whit hairs of othr pigs ar attach to pigmnt clls that on't mak any pigmnt for othr rasons. Sinc th two opnings in th nural tub ar in th ha an butt, pigmnt clls that got a lat start or in't gt vry far clustr in th ha an butt, making thm soli color insta of roan. (This also hlps roans to b abl to s an har.)
 
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Apologies if i'm rambling But trying to think this one through and here is a god place for me as no one has to say sut up or give me a glaze look and it puts it down but its handy having the comments too also helps unload my brain abit
LOVE YOU GUYS (AND GALS) :smitten:
 
Interesting stuff. It is something to think about maybe. Keep us posted on how you get on at the vets. :)
 
Spoke to my vet today (mr Oakes a very nice man ;D )
He checked Billie over and everything sounds ok He thinks it is genetic and we will have to wait another 5 months or so and see if he comes down with the problem
But in the mean time Billie is happy with Caterpiller and viceaversa! all happy and snuggly at the moment! :smitten:
enjoy the day as they say and carry on as usua!
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Guess thats all you can do Ron and fingers crossed he is one of the lucky ones! :smitten:
 
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