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UTI

Fred&HarryPigs

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Hi
I’m looking for some advice if possible please. My 18 month boar Harry is currently on Baytril (0.6ml) once per day and Metacam (0.6ml) once per day for a suspected UTI.

A sample of his urine was tested and contained no blood or crystals which the Vet said was positive as it means a stone is less likely. This was a week ago tomorrow.

I’ve noticed that today he has started squeaking again when going to the toilet. I think this is mostly when emptying his bowels as he has also had softer poo today but I’m aware this could be due to the antibiotics. I’ve been feeding him Oxbow critical care although he still has a healthy appetite. I’ve also ordered some Fibreplex.

When can I expect him to be getting better? The Vet said wait a week and if he isn’t better we will have to go down the X-ray route. I don’t want to do this if it takes longer than a week for the UTI to disappear.

He is still quieter in himself and is still clearly in discomfort when going to the toilet but apart from today, has not been making the squeaking noise when going. I’ve also noticed him sneezing/coughing this evening. I’m worried about him and want to do what is best so will happily call the vet tomorrow and take him in, but looking for any advice on timescales etc.

Thank you for reading
Laura
 
Hi
I’m looking for some advice if possible please. My 18 month boar Harry is currently on Baytril (0.6ml) once per day and Metacam (0.6ml) once per day for a suspected UTI.

A sample of his urine was tested and contained no blood or crystals which the Vet said was positive as it means a stone is less likely. This was a week ago tomorrow.

I’ve noticed that today he has started squeaking again when going to the toilet. I think this is mostly when emptying his bowels as he has also had softer poo today but I’m aware this could be due to the antibiotics. I’ve been feeding him Oxbow critical care although he still has a healthy appetite. I’ve also ordered some Fibreplex.

When can I expect him to be getting better? The Vet said wait a week and if he isn’t better we will have to go down the X-ray route. I don’t want to do this if it takes longer than a week for the UTI to disappear.

He is still quieter in himself and is still clearly in discomfort when going to the toilet but apart from today, has not been making the squeaking noise when going. I’ve also noticed him sneezing/coughing this evening. I’m worried about him and want to do what is best so will happily call the vet tomorrow and take him in, but looking for any advice on timescales etc.

Thank you for reading
Laura

Hi, I am sorry to hear Harry isn't well. I think the antibiotics should start to take effect after the first 48-72 hours. So ideally they should be working by now if he has been on them for nearly a week. Are you giving him probiotics to keep his gut stable? As antibiotics can upset piggies tummys and probiotics do a good job at keeping their guts happy and stable.

How long is his course? I had a similar problem with my piggie Ruby, she is currently being treated for cystitis. She also makes painful shrieks when going to toilet, she is currently on cystease.

Can I ask if your boar has been neutered or undergone any surgery recently? My 🌈 piggie Dexter also began painful shrieking when going to toilet post op and began to make noises like an abrupt harsh cough. Unfortunately, he developed a hernia post op 😥.
 
Hi there. UTI is not uncommon and you are the second poster I've seen recently who has been prescribed Baytril once a day rather than the more traditional twice a day... but then again (depending on piggy's weight) you could regard that dose as a 'double'. You might ask when you go back why it was just once a day (it could be for a very sensible reason, maybe even a new veterinary protocol, but it's worth an ask to make sure it wasn't a mistake). Similarly with the metacam - it's a good dose especially if it is the 1.5mg/ml version - but as pigs have a fast metabolism it's usually given twice a day (even if the dose is therefore split ie: 0.3ml morning and evening).

Fist of all I'm really sorry for your situation - it's not easy to see them like this. Has there been any improvement at all in his symptoms since the antibiotic (AB) was started? Or has there been no real change.

As it says above you should see improvement in his symptoms within the first 1-3 days if an antibiotic is going to work (although always finish the course unless you are told not to). We've had a few cases where old faithful Baytril just hasn't worked (not that surprising, it's been around for yonks) and we've used another antibiotic - Septrin (also twice a day). When we've had this our course has been longer - typically about 3 weeks - but we've still seen the symptoms improve within the first few days, so they stop crying when peeing and if they have had wet, drippy bits this has dried up. Personally if I see no improvement after 3 days I usually contact my vet again at that point (and sometimes they put up an alternative AB for me to just go in and collect). 'Give it a week' is fine if you are talking about completing a course that works but if an AB is going to work it should start killing those bacteria straight away!

The x-ray is to look for sludge or stones. Sludge they can pass but it can be unpleasant. Stones - well we'll tackle that if we need to but boys do usually need surgery to remove them. Persistent UTI can trigger a stone so it's good that you're tackling this promptly. Take a look at their diet and try to reduce any unnecessary calcium if you can by limiting the pellets they eat, increasing their access to low Ca water (maybe using a filter or buying low Ca bottled water if necessary - it will depend where you are in the UK and how scummy your kettle gets as to how much of a problem this can be). Maybe add an extra water bottle or bowl. Keep them off brassicas for now as they also have quite high calcium - esp all the tasty stuff they love like curly kale etc. Lettuce, cucumber, bell pepper just for now until you can get this sorted. You can't 'cure' a stone this way but you can help make sure a straightforward UTI doesn't get unnecessarily complicated. My old boy had a stone removal this past month. He's 6 and it was a big deal for him but he's OK at the minute. We had some grunting when finishing a pee which started about a week after his surgery which I hadn't heard before but I think it might have been sludge (he has ongoing issues which might just be down to knackered old kidneys). I use a little AB syringe (the 1ml with a rubber stopper) to offer him a drink of water - the idea being that a full bladder dilutes out that plug of sludge and makes it easier to pass. Bigger syringes have no rubber bit and can jet water into piggy's mouth which is really risky as they can inhale it. These little 1ml jobs just dribble it in. The weird thing is that old George seemed to have a raging thirst - especially in the evenings which is when they get their pellets. My two girls have no bladder issues currently (touch wood!) and just look bewildered when I offer the water syringe but Georgie has been cheerfully glugging it down. I reckon it's something to do with his bladder issues but it's a plus that he's keen to have a little flush out every night. You might try this if you have your low Ca water ('soft' water) and a syringe that doesn't taste of baytril - because that's very bitter. If he's holding in pees because it hurts to go from a UTI it will concentrate his urine and increase the risk of sludge - so the sludge might not be the primary problem if you see what I mean. Sometimes people get an x-ray and see a stone and conclude that's why piggy is crying when he pees - well, it surely won't help the situation, but I'd still treat for UTI anyway if I had a choice because they're not mutually exclusive - you can get both! George had both - and tbh at first the UTI gave him more serious symptoms. His stone was a more long-term issue but his initial UTI made him really unhappy.

If you decide to go in for the x-ray some vets might want to put piggy under with a whiff of gas. Any more serious GA than that and I'd be a bit worried as GA is a risk for little furry things. As them what they plan to do. But some vets don't GA if they can help it - mine will routinely swaddle piggy tightly in a towel to get their shots. If you do find sludge don't panic - it could just be a temporary issue because of difficulty with infection. But if your boy actually looks unwell and is miserable in himself, hiding away etc. my money's on UTI - because by last Christmas George had a honking great bladder stone (it had just got bigger and bigger over a few months) and squeaked in pain when he peed, but between times he was wandering about and begging veggies like normal. When he had his UTI he hid in a snuggle bag all the time and you could hear him crying all over the house when he went. So I think in your shoes I'd want to try an alternative antibiotic - and watch out for any changes in appetite if one is straight after the other. Fibreplex is good - I usually mix a squirt of about a cm into around 20ml CC rather than offer it direct. My pigs have never wanted to eat it neat!

Good luck at the vets little fellow x
 
Hi both

Thank you very much for your thoughtful
and informative replies.

His course of antibiotics was a week which is a week today. At first I thought he was better, he brightened up and I didn’t hear any squeaking nor did he look uncomfortable when going to the toilet (he has been squinting his eyes and deep breathing). Yesterday he starting again but also had soft poo so I thought maybe he was straining harder to go. But late last night after lots of hay and critical care, the poo returned to normal but he was still straining and squeezing.

I’ve been feeding oxbow critical care and they’ve had Burgess Dual Care nuggets as I thought they were good as a probiotic but the Fibreplex is coming today so I’ll get him started on that. I’ve read that I need to give it to him a least an hour apart from the antibiotic.

Luckily for the most part he is acting as normal. Eating and drinking, running around the cage and living room during floor time, occasionally getting a little
bit frisky with Fred(they are both unneautured)! But it’s just he stops in his tracks and sits uncomfortably when he needs to go. Once he has been he’ll run off happily talking to himself again.

Last week I asked the vet if once per day was enough and he assured me it was. I did consider splitting the metacam over 2 doses as long as I don’t give more than 0.6ml. He currently is weighing 1,300g which has dropped over a few weeks. He was weighing closer to 1,400g. However he has also had a haircut (they are both longhaired) and is still eating normally and wheeking for food, but the weight does concern me too.

I’ve had a look at their diet and cut right back on calcium. They have peppers daily and then a mix up the more watery veg such as celery, cucumber and lettuce. They get coriander almost daily, carrots a few times a week and then lots of other veg on rotation. I feed them the selective grain free nuggets but we do live in a hard water area so it might be worth me looking into a water filter.

I’ve booked a vet appointment at 16:15 today and will mention Septrin. Thank you!
 
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