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Urinary issues

Josie_lg

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Hello all, my sweet girl poppy has had issues on and off with her bladder for two years. She had a stone removed in October and has had pain on and off since. Last Saturday became very sad hunched over and painful. I thought instantly another stone had formed especially as she’s passing blood again. She went for a scan and apparently no stone. We’ve collected a urine sample and that’s being sent off. We have just started antibiotics and I’m keeping everything crossed that it helps her. She also has a hernia that’s formed right on the surgical site. It has got bigger and I think we will have to do surgery to repair it. I’m a nervous wreck. I’m so anxious! It’s such a worrying time and seeing her uncomfortable and passing blood is just breaking my heart. She’s on gabapentin when painful, metacam, potassium citrate, nutracyst and now antibiotics and probiotics. Any experiences are welcomed❤️
 
Poor Poppy. I’ve no advice but it sounds like you are doing all you can. I hope the antibiotics help her.
 
Peter Gurney found that barely water is beneficial for guinea pigs with urinary problems. You take 2.5 cups of water and had 1/2 cup pearl barley, which is the old-fashioned pearl barley that your grandmother made. You can find usually find it in the store in the section where rice is sold. Bring the water to a boil, then lower the heat and let it simmer until the barley is soft. Then, you pour the water into a clean coffee cup and let it cool to room temperature. There should be at least half a cup. If not, then add some water to the barley, stir it well, and add it to the cup. The water should be cloudy. When the water has cooled to room temperature, then use a 1 ml syringe (no needle), hand-feed the water to your guinea pig. She should have at least 5 ml. Most guinea pigs like barely water, so give her as much as she wants. Do this 2 - 3 times a day.

Barley water helps reduce inflammation in the kidney, bladder, and urethra.

Also, if your veterinarian did an ultra-sound, go back and get an x-ray. Bladder stones are hard, but they are difficult to see if they are small.

GET RID OF THE POTASSIUM CITRATE! Guinea pigs can SODIUM CITRATE! Potassium has fatal interactions with certain medications, particularly trimethylprin sulfa. For a bladder infection, your guinea pig should be receiving 0.2 ml metacam every day (0.1 ml in the morning and 0.1 ml in the evening). You can increase that to 0.15 ml if she is still in pain. The best antibiotic for urinary tract infections is doxycyline or enrofloxacin (batril).

You can give your guinea pig some apricot nectar or cranberry juice.

Finally, why is the urine sample being sent off? A veterinarian should be able to spin it down and examine it under a microscope. The vet can also take the pH using litmus paper to determine if urine is too alkalyne.

That said, if your guinea pig has had these problems for 2 years and now she is in pain, then you need to consider putting her to sleep. I know it's hard, but guinea pigs can't choose to end their suffering, so we have to do it for them. I've maintained a collection of longhair guinea pigs for 20 years. During that time, there's been a few whose quality of life went downhill, despite best efforts. It's always correct to consult your veterinarian when a guinea pigs is sick or doing poorly. Most of them will recover and live a happy life. But a guinea pig who is repeatedly sick or in pain needs to be put to sleep. There can be an underlying cause that you simply can't see in an x-ray. Unless you're willing to spend the very expensive cost for an MRI, it could be impossible to determine the root cause. And even then, it might not be curable. It's never easy to make the decision to put a beloved guinea pig to sleep, but sometimes, it's what is best.

In closing, try the barley water, stop the potassium citrate, and up the metacam if the current dosage you're giving doesn't relieve all the pain. Metacam is well-tolerated by guinea pigs and increasing the dose by 0.5 ml twice a day is very safe. You should also try to keep her clean, so make sure her the bedding in her habitat is clean and dry.
 
I wouldn’t suggest giving cranberry juice. It’s too high in sugar and acidic. It doesn’t work for piggies the way it does with humans. I’d probably avoid the apricot nectar as well. Once again high in sugar, and a stoned fruit.
 
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Peter Gurney found that barely water is beneficial for guinea pigs with urinary problems. You take 2.5 cups of water and had 1/2 cup pearl barley, which is the old-fashioned pearl barley that your grandmother made. You can find usually find it in the store in the section where rice is sold. Bring the water to a boil, then lower the heat and let it simmer until the barley is soft. Then, you pour the water into a clean coffee cup and let it cool to room temperature. There should be at least half a cup. If not, then add some water to the barley, stir it well, and add it to the cup. The water should be cloudy. When the water has cooled to room temperature, then use a 1 ml syringe (no needle), hand-feed the water to your guinea pig. She should have at least 5 ml. Most guinea pigs like barely water, so give her as much as she wants. Do this 2 - 3 times a day.

Barley water helps reduce inflammation in the kidney, bladder, and urethra.

Also, if your veterinarian did an ultra-sound, go back and get an x-ray. Bladder stones are hard, but they are difficult to see if they are small.

GET RID OF THE POTASSIUM CITRATE! Guinea pigs can SODIUM CITRATE! Potassium has fatal interactions with certain medications, particularly trimethylprin sulfa. For a bladder infection, your guinea pig should be receiving 0.2 ml metacam every day (0.1 ml in the morning and 0.1 ml in the evening). You can increase that to 0.15 ml if she is still in pain. The best antibiotic for urinary tract infections is doxycyline or enrofloxacin (batril).

You can give your guinea pig some apricot nectar or cranberry juice.

Finally, why is the urine sample being sent off? A veterinarian should be able to spin it down and examine it under a microscope. The vet can also take the pH using litmus paper to determine if urine is too alkalyne.

That said, if your guinea pig has had these problems for 2 years and now she is in pain, then you need to consider putting her to sleep. I know it's hard, but guinea pigs can't choose to end their suffering, so we have to do it for them. I've maintained a collection of longhair guinea pigs for 20 years. During that time, there's been a few whose quality of life went downhill, despite best efforts. It's always correct to consult your veterinarian when a guinea pigs is sick or doing poorly. Most of them will recover and live a happy life. But a guinea pig who is repeatedly sick or in pain needs to be put to sleep. There can be an underlying cause that you simply can't see in an x-ray. Unless you're willing to spend the very expensive cost for an MRI, it could be impossible to determine the root cause. And even then, it might not be curable. It's never easy to make the decision to put a beloved guinea pig to sleep, but sometimes, it's what is best.

In closing, try the barley water, stop the potassium citrate, and up the metacam if the current dosage you're giving doesn't relieve all the pain. Metacam is well-tolerated by guinea pigs and increasing the dose by 0.5 ml twice a day is very safe. You should also try to keep her clean, so make sure her the bedding in her habitat is clean and dry.
You clearly are well informed but please be careful with telling someone to change their piggies dose without vet input.

Without a hands on assessment you can’t know everything that is going on and I wouldn’t want a pig to potentially be put in danger because someone had advised against what the vet had said.

Just a thought
 
You clearly are well informed but please be careful with telling someone to change their piggies dose without vet input.

Without a hands on assessment you can’t know everything that is going on and I wouldn’t want a pig to potentially be put in danger because someone had advised against what the vet had said.

Just a thought
I agree
 
Peter Gurney found that barely water is beneficial for guinea pigs with urinary problems. You take 2.5 cups of water and had 1/2 cup pearl barley, which is the old-fashioned pearl barley that your grandmother made. You can find usually find it in the store in the section where rice is sold. Bring the water to a boil, then lower the heat and let it simmer until the barley is soft. Then, you pour the water into a clean coffee cup and let it cool to room temperature. There should be at least half a cup. If not, then add some water to the barley, stir it well, and add it to the cup. The water should be cloudy. When the water has cooled to room temperature, then use a 1 ml syringe (no needle), hand-feed the water to your guinea pig. She should have at least 5 ml. Most guinea pigs like barely water, so give her as much as she wants. Do this 2 - 3 times a day.

Barley water helps reduce inflammation in the kidney, bladder, and urethra.

Also, if your veterinarian did an ultra-sound, go back and get an x-ray. Bladder stones are hard, but they are difficult to see if they are small.

GET RID OF THE POTASSIUM CITRATE! Guinea pigs can SODIUM CITRATE! Potassium has fatal interactions with certain medications, particularly trimethylprin sulfa. For a bladder infection, your guinea pig should be receiving 0.2 ml metacam every day (0.1 ml in the morning and 0.1 ml in the evening). You can increase that to 0.15 ml if she is still in pain. The best antibiotic for urinary tract infections is doxycyline or enrofloxacin (batril).

You can give your guinea pig some apricot nectar or cranberry juice.

Finally, why is the urine sample being sent off? A veterinarian should be able to spin it down and examine it under a microscope. The vet can also take the pH using litmus paper to determine if urine is too alkalyne.

That said, if your guinea pig has had these problems for 2 years and now she is in pain, then you need to consider putting her to sleep. I know it's hard, but guinea pigs can't choose to end their suffering, so we have to do it for them. I've maintained a collection of longhair guinea pigs for 20 years. During that time, there's been a few whose quality of life went downhill, despite best efforts. It's always correct to consult your veterinarian when a guinea pigs is sick or doing poorly. Most of them will recover and live a happy life. But a guinea pig who is repeatedly sick or in pain needs to be put to sleep. There can be an underlying cause that you simply can't see in an x-ray. Unless you're willing to spend the very expensive cost for an MRI, it could be impossible to determine the root cause. And even then, it might not be curable. It's never easy to make the decision to put a beloved guinea pig to sleep, but sometimes, it's what is best.

In closing, try the barley water, stop the potassium citrate, and up the metacam if the current dosage you're giving doesn't relieve all the pain. Metacam is well-tolerated by guinea pigs and increasing the dose by 0.5 ml twice a day is very safe. You should also try to keep her clean, so make sure her the bedding in her habitat is clean and dry.
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I appreciate your concern but I can guarantee my sweet girl is in good hands. She has had thorough investigations including a CT scan, I am a student veterinary nurse and she is most certainly not in a place to be put to sleep. Yes she has intermittent urinary issues but we manage those with the medications. If her quality of life was ever bad we would do what was right for her. But I can assure you my vets agree that is not in the question at the moment. Again I appreciate your advice but her medication doses have already been discussed with the vet. The fleece liners are changed daily. So she’s kept very clean and dry.
As for the potassium I had never been told this. I have contacted my vet to ask for advice. We are sending the urine sample off for culture and sensitivity. We already know she has urinary crystals and are trying our best to manage this with diet and medication.
Thank you everyone for your support. It’s very stressful when your babies are unwell.
She’s still passing blood in her urine but it’s only day 2 of her medication however she seems more comfortable having gabapentin back. I do wonder if the hernia is partly to blame for the pain😔
 
I’d like to add that my vet who looks after exotics has said it’s safe for me to give potassium citrate with co Trimazole (new version of sulfatrim-sulfatrim has been discontinued as apprently contributed to kidney issues and wasn’t good for dehydrated patients according to me vet which is a big shock as I always found it such a good medication and how dangerous considering most pets who need it aren’t probably dehydrated from not eating or drinking😔)
That is a big relief now she’s replied as I panicked !
I’m praying it’s an infection. Since she’s on the right foods, filtered water and all the meds she can be on🙏🏻
 
i cannot add anything to the above,but i hope you get to the bottom of this.i hope your piggie feels better soon.xx
 
Little update. I’ve spoken to a second vet at my clinic who has said there’s a risk of her blood potassium levels getting too high if I give the antibiotics and the potassium citrate together. I’m a little upset as feel I should have been told the contraindications before being told to give it. And so confused since one vets said it’s fine and another has said it’s not. We are going to stop the potassium whilst she’s on the antibiotics to be safe 😭
 
It’s so frustrating when vets contradict each other. Best to play it safe.
 
Hello everyone. Poppy’s urine results came back as free from bacteria but lots of crystals present. The vet told us to stop the antibiotics at ray 5 and potentially increase the potassium citrate. I’m so concerned. She has good and bad moments. One minute she’s fine no pain and no blood and the next she’s painful and passing blood again. The vet mentioned that kidney issues can sometimes cause crystals ? I’ve never heard this and of course has got me worrying again. Is there anyone else who has experienced these symptoms with only crystals/cystitis found. I just feel like nothing is helping:(
 
Hello everyone. Poppy’s urine results came back as free from bacteria but lots of crystals present. The vet told us to stop the antibiotics at ray 5 and potentially increase the potassium citrate. I’m so concerned. She has good and bad moments. One minute she’s fine no pain and no blood and the next she’s painful and passing blood again. The vet mentioned that kidney issues can sometimes cause crystals ? I’ve never heard this and of course has got me worrying again. Is there anyone else who has experienced these symptoms with only crystals/cystitis found. I just feel like nothing is helping:(

Crystals signify some or all of the following - calcium absorption issue/diet (either too high calcium or too low calcium), not enough water intake to keep the bladder flushing through, perhaps a genetic issue.
What is her diet?
Has the vet suggested a bladder flush to get the current crystals out?
 
Crystals signify some or all of the following - calcium absorption issue/diet (either too high calcium or too low calcium), not enough water intake to keep the bladder flushing through, perhaps a genetic issue.
What is her diet?
Has the vet suggested a bladder flush to get the current crystals out?
Unfortunately she has been dealing with crystals and bladder issues for quite a while. In October despite her diet change meds and filtered water she developed a stone. They took a biopsy of the bladder too. And flushed her bladder out. But inevitably still is having these issues:(
 
One of our current threads by @piggiemummy03x is about bladder sludge in her girl
Bladder sludge
I don't know whether this is of any help?

My old George had a big round bladder stone but he also definitely had an infections even though his cultures came back negative (twice) because after just 24 hours on Septrin he improved dramatically (both times). His pain from the infection was more acute than from the stone. But George had no 'crystals' or sludge - we think the stone mopped it all up like a big snowball.

George was on glucosamine in the form of oxbow joint support (1 a day) for his arthritis which would also have supported his battered bladder as it's the same stuff as in cystease. At 90mg this was a bit lower than the cystease but still decent. And he liked to crunch them, which was a big plus for us all.

We are pretty certain George's stone was Calcium carbonate. This is apparently very common for bladder stones these days but I don't know about the crystals... does your vet have any idea what they might be made of?
 
PS Cranberry juice made no difference to George. His urine was within the 'normal' range for pigs but he was more alkaline than both my girls. He liked cranberry juice and because carrying his stone made him super-thirsty for some reason he was prepared to drink quite a lot of it so we did a little experiment and gave him enough that it would be like a person drinking at least a pint a day. It made no difference whatsoever to his urine pH or his stone. He went off it after about a week so we went back to just water because it is indeed very acidic stuff - as is pineapple juice - so there is an issue with the acids affecting the mouth and teeth. Perhaps that's why he decided he didn't want it anymore. He drank water from his bottles but also liked to take it from a little 1ml syringe. It was his game 💕

People drinking large amounts of cranberry juice can acidify their urine pH a bit - and I think in cats vets have modified urine pH - but we eat more meat and dairy and our pH is naturally far more variable that our little veg munching piggies, who's pH remains stubbornly between 8 and 9.

It became something of an obsession in our house - we got a cheap pack of 10-test pee sticks off amazon and I made everyone test their pee!

I'm assuming she's an indoor girl? Have you noticed any seasonal differences in her bladder issues between winters indoors and summer presumably going out into the natural daylight a lot?
 
PS2: Putting water bottles near the entrances to 'bedroom' hideys was a big step for us in terms of encouraging regular drinking. One of my girls who'd had stone issues was a nighttime drinker and I never realised until I put the bottle spout where she could reach it without emerging at night. The rattling woke me up - that's how I know! Night time is 50% of the time and drinking at night plays a big part in keeping everything flushing through. We ended up with more bottles than pigs!
 
Good idea about the water bottles. The vet told us to stop antibiotics because the urine sample came back clear of bacteria. However my sweet girl is still passing blood in her urine and today a fair amount. I spoke with the vet last week who has adjusted our meds slightly but the blood is really throwing me off. It’s horrible to see and I don’t understand how just lots of crystals can cause this? Can it?
The vet didn’t find anything on the scan. It’s just so confusing and distressing at times. She’s fine in herself bright and eating but passing blood is just awful to see. I really feel that since her bladder stone surgery. Her bladder has just not fully recovered. I wonder if cystotomy surgery can scare and affect the bladder long term :( we need to get her hernia repaired but I’m hesitant to do it until her bladder is more under control.
 
Good idea about the water bottles. The vet told us to stop antibiotics because the urine sample came back clear of bacteria. However my sweet girl is still passing blood in her urine and today a fair amount. I spoke with the vet last week who has adjusted our meds slightly but the blood is really throwing me off. It’s horrible to see and I don’t understand how just lots of crystals can cause this? Can it?
The vet didn’t find anything on the scan. It’s just so confusing and distressing at times. She’s fine in herself bright and eating but passing blood is just awful to see. I really feel that since her bladder stone surgery. Her bladder has just not fully recovered. I wonder if cystotomy surgery can scare and affect the bladder long term :( we need to get her hernia repaired but I’m hesitant to do it until her bladder is more under control.

Crystals are small shards, the stage before sludge or stones, and can cause bleeding.
 
Is she on any form of glucosamine?
I ask because it takes a couple of weeks to kick in - it's got to really be an ongoing thing. Lots of people use the feliway cystease although it didn't suit us. But I know that IC piggies (having a lot of bladder inflammation) are known to benefit. And you'd think crystals could easily cause bladder inflammation too.
 
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