Spaying of sows!

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Here at TEAS we already have a policy to neuter all boars before rehoming. However, I am now seriously considering spaying all sows before rehoming too! So many older sows are having problems, later in life, with cystic ovaries or other problems with their reproductive tract, but at this stage in their life, it can be risky to spay.

I am going to have a chat with Simon, in the new year, about this, but the more I think about it, it feels the right thing to do! I know it's an invasive surgery, but I have an excellent vet to carry out this surgery!

What are your thoughts regarding this?
 
Having had The Ever Beautiful Betsy with ovaries 11cms and 8cms long and "very round", almost no fur left so she was looking like a skinny pig and an emergency spay during lock down, I'm all for it. Her operation was scheduled for 25th March, 2 days after Lockdown was announced so as it wasn't an emergency at that time, it was cancelled. The poor girl got grumpier and grumpier and her ovaries got larger and larger until I was worried they were going to burst. Only then the vets decided was an emergency and the spay was done. She could have been saved this misery if she had been spayed before it got that bad.
 
I also think it opens up more possibilities for lonely, older boars, where it is risky to castrate. They could live a happy life, with a spayed sow! Also, it means we can be completely certain that any piggies adopted from us, will never be used for breeding!
 
I think, when you have access to such a skilled and knowledgeable vet, that it's a common sense approach. Having had sows with cysts including one over 5 years old needing an emergency spay (luckily I too had access to an excellent vet) it would have definitely been easier to do while she was younger and before she got ill. Also 100% removes any thoughts of breeding from too
 
I think, when you have access to such a skilled and knowledgeable vet, that it's a common sense approach. Having had sows with cysts including one over 5 years old needing an emergency spay (luckily I too had access to an excellent vet) it would have definitely been easier to do while she was younger and before she got ill. Also 100% removes any thoughts of breeding from too
Yes, we are so lucky to have such a skilled and knowledgeable vet, that it makes perfect sense to get them spayed whilst healthy and young.

I’ll definitely have a chat with Simon.

Hope all is good with you? xx
 
I’ve thankfully never had a sow with ovarian cysts but it’s always a huge worry for me that fills be with anxiety. I think it’s brilliant idea to spay your sows before they are rehomed while they are still young and healthy. It also opens up more possibilities for like you say, lonely older boars who are too old to be neutered x
 
I know that the US trend in leading rescues is going towards an ovariectomy operation in sows rather than boar neutering since it solves two problems instead of one.

The operation cost in the USA/Canada is high but since boar neuters are not offered more cheaply, there is not the kind of gender gap like in the UK as with some UK vets (sadly not all). From the US rescue feedback, there are generally less post-op complications from an ovariectomy through the back (the womb stays in) compared to a removal of testicles (not that Simon isn't as close to perfection as any surgeon can get in that respect).
 
The rescue I foster for and its sister rescue both spay and neuter all mammals excluding the female mice. They decided on this years ago as one of the adopted animals was being used for breeding. It is more expensive, but it saves the animals from accidental or purposeful breeding and future health issues.
 
I had a chat with a vet last year who asked about my long term plans for piggy keeping. I explained I would like one day to have a neutered boar/sow mini herd before I become too infirm to look after them. She suggested not having all my young boars neutered in the near future so that the remaining one can live with sows but to wait and get young sows spayed when the time comes. This would save 3 or 4 unnecessary operations. She also told me that spaying young sows to stop breeding was a discounted operation rather than a very expensive operation on an elderly sow with health problems later with all the problems that come with operating on an older animal. It is certainly food for thought and a bit of a relief for me that I don't feel pressured into making decisions now for a situation I may never be in in the future.
If TEAS can afford to do it I think it's a wonderful idea and would have many advantages.
 
It’s a great idea and doable because Simon and Kim are such a brilliant vets. I think it would be great for old boars to be able to find a companion later in life too! My Ted went through surgery fine at 5 but we made sure Simon neutered him
 
Yes it's a great idea, back when Tracey ran rabbit and guinea pig rescue Simon spayed all her sows with great success. The op takes a little longer than a castrate but I don't recall there being any higher incidents of complications. I think she also had a discounted rate for all her neuterings.
 
Is there a GP equivalent to getting sterilised rather than a full spay?
 
Apologies, just read back and realised I missed the bit about ovariectomy
 
I must admit I'd never thought of getting my sows done without immediate medical need, but I'm reconsidering based on this thread. I hadn't thought about it before but there's a solid argument for it. Money permitting I'd say go for it, you have a great vet and plenty of experience caring for recovering piggies!

I'd be happy to contribute to any fundraisers you'd need to get this ball rolling.
 
I'm sure there are a few of us who would be happy to help in some way with the cost. Either through cash donations or auction through the forum or sending you things to sell.
My local rescue had an impossible to bond older boar who had been in rescue for ages. They felt he wasn't a candidate for their neutering schedule (young boars who have failed multiple bonding opportunities). An older sow came into the rescue who had been spayed due to cysts, it was a match made in heaven!
 
I must admit I'd never thought of getting my sows done without immediate medical need, but I'm reconsidering based on this thread. I hadn't thought about it before but there's a solid argument for it. Money permitting I'd say go for it, you have a great vet and plenty of experience caring for recovering piggies!

I'd be happy to contribute to any fundraisers you'd need to get this ball rolling.

I usually have any sows I have concerns about checked by Simon around 4 years of age.

It is worth mentioning that while the majority of older sows will have ovarian cysts, the majority of those will never cause any symptoms or problems. An ovariectomy will not prevent the womb from occasionally going wrong; in the latter case a full spay would be needed.

It is also worth mentioning that while neutered boars can develop impaction as they age just as much as any other boar, the problem is very minor compared to full boars because the anal sac has contracted again and is no longer distended by the testicles. The build up in neutered boars is just about chickpea sized in the worst cases, and boars can usually push out formed poos through that. This condition does however affect only ca. 10% of boars but at an age when neutering can become more risky and may have an impact on the overall mobility of the back end.

A full sow spay from the belly with removal of the whole reproductive tract is however still a major operation, and for us on here the benefit/risk ratio of a full spaying op has hung in the balance somewhat before ovariectomies have become more common in recent years. I am grateful that all my older sows that needed an emergency spay have come through their operation well, thanks to Simon Maddock. Finding a good operating vet and post-op recovery care team is crucial for any form of de-sexing in either gender.

In Morwenna's and her sister Mererid's case it has bought them around 3 more years to live to 8 years. Morwenna was found to have a cyst that would have turned cancerous by ca. 6 years of age and Mererid developed fast growing, extremely large fluid-filled ovarian cyst that were impacting on her other organs.
My Cariad needed an emergency spay just months after a major stone operation because her womb had gone grossly wrong but she was also found to have some nasty looking ovarian cysts. Thankfully, she sailed through the op without any weight loss, despite being down to 700g.

As with any elective compared to any necessary life-saving surgery, you are going to feel it much more in term of grieving related guilt trips if things go haywire. That is an aspect you need to be aware of, especially if you suffer from anxiety or other mental health issues. While the success rate in small furries ops has generally improved massively over the last 15 years and there are now much more operations performs, there is never going to be a 100% success rate.

Just to clarify some of the issues related to the discussion that you will want to discuss with your vet or take into consideration before making any decisions. A full spay (removal of the womb and ovaries) and an ovariectomy (removal of the ovaries only) are not the same and they have different purposes and uses.
You also want to take your operating vet's personal preferences into account as that can also have an impact on the success rate. They will be able to work faster and more confidently.

Sows: Behaviour and female health problems (including ovarian cysts)

PS: De-sexed younger rescue sows are sadly as rare as gold dust in this country but they have always come in very useful for older single boars or as company for otherwise unbondable boars where a neutering operation was not an option.
 
I'd be discussing an ovariectomy with my vet if at all; I've known women recovering from a hysterectomy and it's no joke! A C-section was bad enough 😱
 
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