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Should I find a new vet?

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Hello, this is my first post. It is very long, I apologize, but I would appreciate anyone who would be willing to read and offer some wisdom/advice on my situation.

Background: I rescued both of my guinea pigs a year and a half ago. Pumpkin was a baby at the time and Poppy was an adult, we were unsure of her age probably around 3 years old. I feed them timothy hay, pellets, and lots of fresh veggies (mainly romaine lettuce, bell peppers, cucumbers-- carrots, cherry tomatoes, and cilantro in small amounts/occasionally). When Pumpkin was about 2 months old she had a respiratory infection and some bloating, the vets were not sure which led to the other but after her being on 3 different medications, some I administered 4 times a day, she got better (this was over a year ago).

A few weeks ago I noticed unusual behavior between my guineas, as Pumpkin, the submissive one was mounting Poppy and although I thought it was her being in heat at first, it did not go away. I observed that Poppy was drinking excessive amounts of water and so my instinct told me it could be something wrong with her kidneys. She was eating, peeing, and pooping normally. I waited another week until I visited my mom for the holidays so I could take Poppy to her normal vet. The day I got to my mom's, I could tell she was very skinny and it concerned me because she is usually around 1,100 g. She was down to 940g despite eating and did an ultrasound revealing calcium crystals in her bladder and I also requested a urinalysis. The urinalysis showed no signs of bacteria, although there was a little blood but they said that could have been from drawing the urine. They gave me antibiotics and an herb used to dissolve the crystals.

I got progressively more concerned, and knew in my gut for over a week at this point that something was very wrong with her, before I took her to the vet and a while before she started showing physical symptoms. I felt she had lost even more weight and seemed more lethargic so I took her in again two days later and they did an x-ray, and said her lungs and heart were good, and she had a belly full of food. She went down to 920g. They were vague and said something along the lines of "it could be a couple different things, we aren't really sure but getting blood from guineas is hard and anesthesia is kinda dangerous, plus if something came back about her kidneys we couldn't really do anything". They gave her fluids and sent me back home with her.

Three days later on Christmas I picked Poppy up and she was very bloated. My heart sank and I immediately took her to the emergency center. Although this vet is not an exotics expert, I felt immediately more confident in her. She gave Poppy fluids, pain medication, and reached out to her colleagues. She did an x-ray which broke my heart to see. She was extremely bloated, as I knew, and had a build up of secal matter in her intestines. Obviously, and I felt my other vet should have at least brought this up, was that her GI tract was shutting down (explains the weight loss). She was stabilized overnight until I could bring her to her normal vet, where she sadly passed away after only about an hour of being there.

it's 6 days later, and Pumpkin is left without her companion. I noticed she was drinking less water. I marked her water and she hasn't drank any in 2 days. She is eating like normal, but today I saw no urine in her bedding, and she is bloated (today was the only day I could tell for sure that she is).

If it wasn't clear already, I take extreme care to make sure my guinea pigs are okay. I rescued them to give them a better life, not have them get ill and pass away before their time. :(

I already made a vet appointment for tomorrow, but I do not feel confident that this vet takes these symptoms as seriously as I do (even though they are said to be the best one in my county). Although these vet visits are expensive, it would be more than worth it for me if it ensured my guinea was in the best hands possible.

If they do not see Pumpkin's symptoms as very serious and potentially life-threatening, should I go to a different vet? I feel not enough was done on Poppy's behalf, and she ended up passing away.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated,
Your fellow guinea pig lover
 
I’m so sorry you lost Poppy, bloat is such a terrifying and awful thing to deal with, I’ve lost a couple of piggies to it over the years too.
Are you taking Pumpkin to your original vet or to the one that x-rayed Poppy?
I think for your own peace of mind you’d probably be best using a vet you feel more confident with, such as the second vet or perhaps trying somewhere new all together?

There may be some members who could recommend a vet if you was happy to say a rough location.
 
I’m so sorry you lost Poppy, bloat is such a terrifying and awful thing to deal with, I’ve lost a couple of piggies to it over the years too.
Are you taking Pumpkin to your original vet or to the one that x-rayed Poppy?
I think for your own peace of mind you’d probably be best using a vet you feel more confident with, such as the second vet or perhaps trying somewhere new all together?

There may be some members who could recommend a vet if you was happy to say a rough location.
Thank you for reading and I appreciate your reply. I am planning on taking Pumpkin tomorrow to the original vet, but I am thinking if they brush it off or do not give a clear plan of action I am going to take her elsewhere. Were there any other symptoms your guineas displayed when bloated? I know they are prey animals and don't show their weakness so I am still trying to learn the symptoms preemptively.

Luckily Pumpkin hasn't lost any noticeable amount of weight. I know losing her buddy can effect her stress levels drastically. I've been giving Pumpkin stomach massages and I'm pretty sure she farted? (I'm not sure, lol)

Thank you and all the hugs to your guineas
 
I'm sorry to hear this.

I would step in with bridging care now - switch to weighing her each morning so you can monitor hay intake more closely (you can’t gauge hay intake by eye and as it is their main food intake, even a small reduction will cause weight loss you may not notice by eye). Step in with support feeding a recovery feed or mushed pellets. She may not need to actually be syringe fed at this point but offering a top up bowl a few times a day may be needed.

Water intake varies between piggies, it comes before the need to eat and they also get water from their veggies so you may not notice a water bottle significantly go down but they are still getting fluid. However if you are not finding wet patches in her cage (bearing in mind it is harder to tell on some types of bedding) then it would be a good idea to offer a small amount of water from a syringe - never squirt water into her mouth, only ever offer and let her lick at the end of a syringe.

The guides below will help further

Emergency and Crisis Care as well as Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment
Digestive Disorders: Not Eating - Diarrhea - Bloat - GI Stasis (No Gut Movement)
Looking After a Bereaved Guinea Pig

I hope she is ok
 
I'm sorry to hear this.

I would step in with bridging care now - switch to weighing her each morning so you can monitor hay intake more closely (you can’t gauge hay intake by eye and as it is their main food intake, even a small reduction will cause weight loss you may not notice by eye). Step in with support feeding a recovery feed or mushed pellets. She may not need to actually be syringe fed at this point but offering a top up bowl a few times a day may be needed.

Water intake varies between piggies, it comes before the need to eat and they also get water from their veggies so you may not notice a water bottle significantly go down but they are still getting fluid. However if you are not finding wet patches in her cage (bearing in mind it is harder to tell on some types of bedding) then it would be a good idea to offer a small amount of water from a syringe - never squirt water into her mouth, only ever offer and let her lick at the end of a syringe.

The guides below will help further

Emergency and Crisis Care as well as Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment
Digestive Disorders: Not Eating - Diarrhea - Bloat - GI Stasis (No Gut Movement)
Looking After a Bereaved Guinea Pig

I hope she is ok
Thank you for your advice! I appreciate it.
 
UPDATE: I took Pumpkin to the vet today. I noticed a reduction in her bloat this morning. The vet gave her a fluid injection and she peed in her carrier. Keeping a close eye on her today and the vet gave me specific instructions on what to look for, and to call if anything seems wrong. Her weight is up from her last checkup in July, so that is good (but she was only about a year old at that time).

Thank you everyone for your advice. I will keep updating this thread in case anyone needs to reference it for their own guineas in the future.
 
UPDATE 2: After a lot of testing at the new vet, Pumpkin seems to be doing better. Her blood test was perfect and most importantly showed no signs of dehydration. Despite a couple of days with little to no pee as well as irregular bowel movements, Pumpkin is now peeing and pooping normally. I was recommended probiotic tabs, which I think helped her digestion a good amount. My main concern was that she had not drank any water, and she still hasn't, yet is not dehydrated. Thus, after alllll that testing, she's just getting all of her water intake from her veggies. lol.

thanks for your help!
 
Gosh you have been through the mill, so sorry you lost Poppy Glad to hear Pumkin is on the mend. Weigh her weekly and record it so you can evidence weight trends. I have two pairs of piggies, one set drink loads of water, the other pair heardly ever drink, they get their veggies that are rinsed under the tap!
 
Gosh you have been through the mill, so sorry you lost Poppy Glad to hear Pumkin is on the mend. Weigh her weekly and record it so you can evidence weight trends. I have two pairs of piggies, one set drink loads of water, the other pair heardly ever drink, they get their veggies that are rinsed under the tap!
Thank you for your kind words and advice!
 
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