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Senior piggy going bald!

Lazw

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Hello everyone,

My lovely 5 year old piggy bramble had a small (5p coin sized) bald patch on her back and after looking closely I could see the skin was flaking a little, but nothing particularly obvious. I suspected ringworm so I treated both bramble and her cage mate with xeno ivermectin, and took her to the vet later that week just to get it checked. The vet suspected either mites which she was happy I'd treated for, or ringworm so she prescribed a course of itrafungol (a week on, a week off repeated for 6 weeks).

Well Bramble is now on the third week of treatment and the bald patch is getting worse- it's now about 5cm across, on one side of her back and I looked closely yesterday to see that the edges are crumbly, the fur in the crust pulls out very easily in clumps. So she's going back to the vets on Monday and they have recommended sending a skin sample off to culture it and see what is going on.

My question is, do any of you have any idea what this could be if she's been treated for both ringworm and mites and it's not clearing up? Another fungal infection that maybe the itrafungol just isn't touching? She's eating, drinking fine, hasn't lost weight and is spayed. Her cage mate is also a senior piggy, she is unaffected by all of this and has a lovely coat of fur. There are no other animals in the house, they live indoors and they're on fleece bedding and have haybox hay.

I'm trying to think of things I can ask the vet as the specialist vet we usually use just doesn't have availability quickly enough for an appointment so I've been using the local vets4pets, however I'm aware they don't have small animal specialists there (they have been very good so far though!). Thanks in advance for any thoughts you might have about things I can maybe suggest to test for/ consider. It's all a bit of a mystery.
 
The thing to note is that ringworm will not be cured by ivermectin.
Mites will not be cured by intrafungol.

To treat mites it is a course dosed for weight of three separate treatments with two weeks between each treatment. (One treatment of xeno is not enough).

Ringworm will also requires a full disinfection programme (with F10) as spores live in the environment, as well as intrafungol treatment.

So you need that diagnosis as to which one it is, if it is either is those, to know with is the right treatment. And yes you are absolutely right; there are other fungal possibilities other than ringworm

 
Thanks so much for all this! I've repeated the ivermectin treatment on both my piggies this weekend (xeno not available but I managed to get hold of a naqua spot on with a 300mcg dose, was the closest to xeno450 I can find until it's back in stock in april- there seems to be a countrywide shortage at the moment, the vet also said it's unavailable currently. I'm continuing the itrafungol too until she's seen again by the vet this week. She does seem absolutely fine despite the growing baldness bless her!
 
Keep us all updated we have a guinea at the moment with hair loss suggestions apart from mites/lice etc that have been made are a allergy to bedding so I have started double washing his once in non bio then in just water, low Vit C so I have been introducing grass again slowly and there has been some improvement certainly no worse perhaps worth a try for you too 🤔
 
So the baldness is still getting worse! She was prescribed a further course of itrafungol after my last post but it's not working, back to the vets again this Tuesday for skin scrape and sending the sample off to see what's going on. She's still a happy old lady eating and doing her usual things, just increasingly bald bless her!
 
She's had a follow up treatment with ivermectin too just in case, that hasn't helped either. I'll be interested to find out what's going on with her.
 
Thanks for the update hopefully something will show up from the sample 🤞
 
So bramble went to the vets again today! Vet is perplexed, she'd really expected the itrafungol or ivermectin to take care of the bald spot. She had a look at some of her fur under a microscope today but couldn't see anything, however she did wonder if it was cheyletiella mites? Anyway, she treated bramble again with a spot on whilst we were there and has now prescribed a course of baytril just in case it's a bacterial infection. If that doesn't clear it then we will be looking at a skin biopsy. So it's not really any clearer! She did weigh her again though and she's still 870g, exactly the same as she was a month ago so that's reassuring. My poor old lady, really hoping we don't have to do the biopsy as I'm not sure how she'll cope with that bless her.
 
Morning.
What a shame I have to say our guinea with the hair loss his has finally started coming back after his Spot On treatments but it has taken a while so maybe there's hope yet. Is she on any pain medication? 🤔
 
I am wondering if Bramble is a Teddy, Teddy mix breed?

Teddies have a tendency especially in older age to get patches of very dry skin and hair loss on the back. My Brillo has this, it started when he was about 4. In the beginning we treated it with Gorgeous Guineas Melt for dry skin (vet suggested) about every 6 months to remove the dry skin. I have found now he is older 6.5 he doesn't need the melt any more he just has the bald/thin patches of hair.
 
Hi everyone, I've just got in from work and given bramble her baytril- there's now a red raw patch on her back, I'm assuming where she's biting at herself because it's so itchy/irritating 😔. I'm not sure what to do now really, she's had 2 weeks of itrafungol which I know from previous piggies usually works really quickly if it's ringworm. She's had 3x spot on treatments, again they usually work really quickly if mites. Now she's on baytril- but I'm not holding out much hope.

Brambles an agouti- do they have the same hair loss as they age? She's smooth coated. I will take a photo of her and post it now. Any advice absolutely welcome! I do have some metacam, I did wonder about giving her this although I'm not sure it will improve the itch if it is itchy?
 
Here are the photos of the bald patch on bramble-
 

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Just to add- on some of the edges of the bald patch her skin is almost crumbly and flaky and the fur comes out very easily. The vet did take some fur and flakes yesterday to look under a microscope but couldn't see anything 😞
 
Could there possibly be something internal that is paining her?
I hadn't considered that..... Do you mean kidneys or something maybe? I wonder if I need to mention this to the vet, although I'm not sure that would cause the crumbly skin with hair falling out?
 
Hi everyone, I've just got in from work and given bramble her baytril- there's now a red raw patch on her back, I'm assuming where she's biting at herself because it's so itchy/irritating 😔. I'm not sure what to do now really, she's had 2 weeks of itrafungol which I know from previous piggies usually works really quickly if it's ringworm. She's had 3x spot on treatments, again they usually work really quickly if mites. Now she's on baytril- but I'm not holding out much hope.

Brambles an agouti- do they have the same hair loss as they age? She's smooth coated. I will take a photo of her and post it now. Any advice absolutely welcome! I do have some metacam, I did wonder about giving her this although I'm not sure it will improve the itch if it is itchy?
No Bramble's skin condition wouldn't be the same if she doesn't have Teddy genes.
Poor Bramble, hopefully the skin scrapes will show up a cause in the lab.
 
I hadn't considered that..... Do you mean kidneys or something maybe? I wonder if I need to mention this to the vet, although I'm not sure that would cause the crumbly skin with hair falling out?
I honestly don't know or have any experience with hair loss like that. Hopefully someone who has better advice will be along. Definitely would bring it up to the vet.
 
We had a piggy years ago at the rescue called Fable who had a similar issue on her tummy.
Turns out it was bacterial, antibiotics cleared it up nicely!
I can't find a picture but it was very similar.

Well actually she's been on baytril a few days now and I do think it looks better than it was so I'm reallllllyyyy hoping this is what she needed and it was a bacterial infection! How long was your piggy on antibiotics for? I'm a little anxious as she's due to finish hers tomorrow night and I'm worried in case a week's course wasn't long enough
 
Well actually she's been on baytril a few days now and I do think it looks better than it was so I'm reallllllyyyy hoping this is what she needed and it was a bacterial infection! How long was your piggy on antibiotics for? I'm a little anxious as she's due to finish hers tomorrow night and I'm worried in case a week's course wasn't long enough
It was a good while ago now, but I'm pretty sure after the original seven day course, she went back for a check up and had another course 👍
Check in with your vet, they should be able to advise you 😊
 
That's good to know thank you! There's actually enough in the bottle for a few more days so she'll have had 10 days worth tomorrow when she finishes the bottle. I'll contact the vet and see what they suggest, her fur is finally starting to grow back nicely 🙂
 
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