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Senior boar (8) and surgery

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Hi, I have never posted on a forum before but am desperate for advice at this point. In August 2023, my senior boar (7 at the time) was diagnosed by a vet (a new vet as our long time exotic vet had recently retired) with a mammary gland tumor/mass. She said that she could do surgery to remove but that it was very risky due to his age. I consulted with another vet via phone (due to their location being 4 hours away) and they validated for me that even with surgery, he may not have much time left. I decided to just give him extra love and care along with some herbs that were recommended by the vet. Flash forward to now, a year later and at age 8— his tumor ruptured so i took him to the local ER vet. Our previous vet apparently works there as needed now and said that if it were her guinea pig she would consider surgery due to his good health (eating, drinking, running around). She drained the area and we have been treating the wound with antibiotics and metacam for a little over two weeks now. I am very unsure on what to do. There’s little out there about pigs of his age and surgery… and also varying beliefs about palliative care & happiness versus taking the risks. I would be grateful for any experience or advice with this issue. The last year has been an emotional rollercoaster as he is truly my soul pig. I just want to do what is best for him.
 
Hello and welcome to the forum.

Wow 8 that’s a fab age. He’s obviously been very well cared for. 😍

I don’t really have any advice sorry. It’s such a hard decision to make. If he’s very well in himself then surgery is an option. But as he’s been on palliative care for the past year then sadly PTS could be the best option. Only you know what’s best for him. Either option, made with love, is the right option. Do what you feel is best for him and that will be the right choice. ❤️
 
Hi, I have never posted on a forum before but am desperate for advice at this point. In August 2023, my senior boar (7 at the time) was diagnosed by a vet (a new vet as our long time exotic vet had recently retired) with a mammary gland tumor/mass. She said that she could do surgery to remove but that it was very risky due to his age. I consulted with another vet via phone (due to their location being 4 hours away) and they validated for me that even with surgery, he may not have much time left. I decided to just give him extra love and care along with some herbs that were recommended by the vet. Flash forward to now, a year later and at age 8— his tumor ruptured so i took him to the local ER vet. Our previous vet apparently works there as needed now and said that if it were her guinea pig she would consider surgery due to his good health (eating, drinking, running around). She drained the area and we have been treating the wound with antibiotics and metacam for a little over two weeks now. I am very unsure on what to do. There’s little out there about pigs of his age and surgery… and also varying beliefs about palliative care & happiness versus taking the risks. I would be grateful for any experience or advice with this issue. The last year has been an emotional rollercoaster as he is truly my soul pig. I just want to do what is best for him.

I'm afraid I have no advice, just wanted to welcome you to the forum.
Thank you 🫶🏻
 
Hopefully this guide will help you.

 
Hello and welcome to the forum.

Wow 8 that’s a fab age. He’s obviously been very well cared for. 😍

I don’t really have any advice sorry. It’s such a hard decision to make. If he’s very well in himself then surgery is an option. But as he’s been on palliative care for the past year then sadly PTS could be the best option. Only you know what’s best for him. Either option, made with love, is the right option. Do what you feel is best for him and that will be the right choice. ❤️
Thank you for your kind words! 8 years is such a blessing. He is still very active and happy, which is what makes the decision of taking the risk or keeping him happy so difficult.
 
I'm sorry your boy is ill. I don't have advice, but someone more knowledgeable will be able to give you some. They are difficult options to weigh up but you're obviously a very caring owner and I'm sure you'll do your best for him.
 
We all wish we had a crystal ball to see the outcome of our decisions. I had a 2.5 year old piggy with a bladder stone. He was young and fit so I thought he would sail through the operation. Unfortunately he didn’t make it.

I had to give him the chance though. Good luck with whatever decision you make. We will all be here for you.
 
We all wish we had a crystal ball to see the outcome of our decisions. I had a 2.5 year old piggy with a bladder stone. He was young and fit so I thought he would sail through the operation. Unfortunately he didn’t make it.

I had to give him the chance though. Good luck with whatever decision you make. We will all be here for you.
I am so sorry for your loss. A crystal ball would be great in the instances where we have to be the one to make the decisions😓
 
Welcome to the forum.
8 is a great age and a real tribute to your love and care.
When I’m faced with a difficult situation I make a decision and live with it for a while.
If it still feels right that’s what I do. If I feel unsure or uncomfortable then I make a different decision.

Holding you in my thoughts
 
Hi and welcome

BIG HUGS

I am so very sorry for the tough decision you have to make. 8 years is a grand old age and clearly a testament to your good and loving care.

The oldest piggy I had operated on was my Hafren for a large cyst that promptly put on a sudden growth spurt and burst while my specialist vet was away on holidays. The cyst was more unusual because it had a thick fleshy mantle and inclusion and bled heavily when my local vets tried to express it, leading to cancer worries. Thankfully, they did not bear out during the removal operation just a month short of her 7th birthday. She made a full, if slower recovery (due to the slowed down metabolism) and lived for several months more before old age caught up with her.

Hafren with her burst cyst
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and and impressive post-op scar and hole
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The operating vet uses isoflurane as a GA drug. It is generally much better tolerated than vetergesic but it is quite a bit more expensive, which is why it is not used by most vets.

Unfortunately, the one thing you crave most and what you cannot get is a peek at the outcome and there are never any guarantees. You have to fly this totally blind, weighing up the various pros and cons to work out what feels more acceptable for you for the long term. It is your privilege but also sometimes your heart-crushing duty as a pet owner to be the only one who can make that decision.

Please ask yourself the following questions. Unless you are dealing with an emergency, sleep on it and allow your subconscious to mull over it.

- Your boy is now another year older, the tumor is larger and the risk is accordingly greater.
- Are you prepared for potentially losing him or having him make it through the op but struggle with potentially very expensive post-op complications and a battle royal to save him (which may not happen)?
- Do you feel strongly that giving him that chance at life is more important for you than a certain death in the foreseeable future? Would you be more at peace even if it didn't come off?
- Your boy doesn't know that his condition will lead euthanasia (we call it pts - putting to sleep - over here in the UK); for him, it is just life.
- Would you feel ultimately happier if you celebrated the remaining time with him and made it very special before sending him to the Rainbow Bridge in the gentlest of ways when his quality of life becomes impacted too much?
- Essentially, it comes down to whether you want to gain it all in a last throw of the dice for the big price or whether you want to concentrate on making the very best of whatever time is left and basically opt for cashing what you have in the bank.
- Neither way is wrong and they have both their rights. It is your unenviable burden to figure out which feels 'righter' for you.

Please sleep over it, try not to put yourself under too much pressure but listen to what is in your heart of hearts and run with that. It is what you can live best with for the long term once your head and heart come back together again eventually that should be your choice because this what you can ultimately live best with, as I know from my own experiences.

I have chosen either way with different piggies and different prospects, ages and operation chances. Some operations did come off but I have also lost young piggies in or after make or break operations and know the devastation that comes with that. It's something you can never predict and count on.

Looking after a terminally ill piggy is a bitter-sweet time. Sweet, because you can pack so much love, fun and enrichment into a comparatively small span of time and create lasting precious memories and bitter because underneath it all your grieving process keeps rumbling on and your fear of loss is a constant shadow. Death is not the start but it comes well into your grieving journey and sometimes near the end of it, depending on the journey leading up to it. Terminal care when it is not just a matter of days does however mean that there will be that bit less grieving afterwards because you never grieve less overall, just with different dynamics. The pain of the actual loss is however never less because every time a unique and special bond is broken.

Sadly, what is not on the table for you is what you truly want, to be able to keep your beloved boy forever. :(

You may find this guide here helpful. It doesn't make for easy reading (but it also hasn't made for easing writing with all those memories coming back up) but it may help you to make your decision if not with a less aching heart but at least with a bit clearer and less conflicted mind.



We continue to be here for you for any questions, concerns and moral support throughout your journey, for as long as it takes. It would help both sides a lot if you please bookmarked your thread so you can pick it up anytime and keep all information together. As a result, you won't have to explain the full back story every time and we can refresh our memory, no matter how long the gap, and give you the answers you really need and not just our standard advice. Each journey is different and unique and we will try to get it as right for you as we can as a community.
;)
 
Hi and welcome

BIG HUGS

I am so very sorry for the tough decision you have to make. 8 years is a grand old age and clearly a testament to your good and loving care.

The oldest piggy I had operated on was my Hafren for a large cyst that promptly put on a sudden growth spurt and burst while my specialist vet was away on holidays. The cyst was more unusual because it had a thick fleshy mantle and inclusion and bled heavily when my local vets tried to express it, leading to cancer worries. Thankfully, they did not bear out during the removal operation just a month short of her 7th birthday. She made a full, if slower recovery (due to the slowed down metabolism) and lived for several months more before old age caught up with her.

Hafren with her burst cyst
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and and impressive post-op scar and hole
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The operating vet uses isoflurane as a GA drug. It is generally much better tolerated than vetergesic but it is quite a bit more expensive, which is why it is not used by most vets.

Unfortunately, the one thing you crave most and what you cannot get is a peek at the outcome and there are never any guarantees. You have to fly this totally blind, weighing up the various pros and cons to work out what feels more acceptable for you for the long term. It is your privilege but also sometimes your heart-crushing duty as a pet owner to be the only one who can make that decision.

Please ask yourself the following questions. Unless you are dealing with an emergency, sleep on it and allow your subconscious to mull over it.

- Your boy is now another year older, the tumor is larger and the risk is accordingly greater.
- Are you prepared for potentially losing him or having him make it through the op but struggle with potentially very expensive post-op complications and a battle royal to save him (which may not happen)?
- Do you feel strongly that giving him that chance at life is more important for you than a certain death in the foreseeable future? Would you be more at peace even if it didn't come off?
- Your boy doesn't know that his condition will lead euthanasia (we call it pts - putting to sleep - over here in the UK); for him, it is just life.
- Would you feel ultimately happier if you celebrated the remaining time with him and made it very special before sending him to the Rainbow Bridge in the gentlest of ways when his quality of life becomes impacted too much?
- Essentially, it comes down to whether you want to gain it all in a last throw of the dice for the big price or whether you want to concentrate on making the very best of whatever time is left and basically opt for cashing what you have in the bank.
- Neither way is wrong and they have both their rights. It is your unenviable burden to figure out which feels 'righter' for you.

Please sleep over it, try not to put yourself under too much pressure but listen to what is in your heart of hearts and run with that. It is what you can live best with for the long term once your head and heart come back together again eventually that should be your choice because this what you can ultimately live best with, as I know from my own experiences.

I have chosen either way with different piggies and different prospects, ages and operation chances. Some operations did come off but I have also lost young piggies in or after make or break operations and know the devastation that comes with that. It's something you can never predict and count on.

Looking after a terminally ill piggy is a bitter-sweet time. Sweet, because you can pack so much love, fun and enrichment into a comparatively small span of time and create lasting precious memories and bitter because underneath it all your grieving process keeps rumbling on and your fear of loss is a constant shadow. Death is not the start but it comes well into your grieving journey and sometimes near the end of it, depending on the journey leading up to it. Terminal care when it is not just a matter of days does however mean that there will be that bit less grieving afterwards because you never grieve less overall, just with different dynamics. The pain of the actual loss is however never less because every time a unique and special bond is broken.

Sadly, what is not on the table for you is what you truly want, to be able to keep your beloved boy forever. :(

You may find this guide here helpful. It doesn't make for easy reading (but it also hasn't made for easing writing with all those memories coming back up) but it may help you to make your decision if not with a less aching heart but at least with a bit clearer and less conflicted mind.



We continue to be here for you for any questions, concerns and moral support throughout your journey, for as long as it takes. It would help both sides a lot if you please bookmarked your thread so you can pick it up anytime and keep all information together. As a result, you won't have to explain the full back story every time and we can refresh our memory, no matter how long the gap, and give you the answers you really need and not just our standard advice. Each journey is different and unique and we will try to get it as right for you as we can as a community.
;)
I cannot even begin to express how grateful I am for your words of wisdom and kindness.. with them came a great sense of peace and comfort to my heart and mind (which have been at odds for quite some time now). I shed many tears reading (and re-reading) your response. Thank you.

I feel in my heart of hearts that I need to find joy in my time left instead of gambling on a procedure that may ultimately rob me of any time left, or even worse, it put him through a traumatic experience and recovery.
8 years with him has been such a gift and I want to celebrate him for whatever time I have left.

Thank you for affirming for me that that is okay. ❤️‍🩹 I am grateful to have found this forum and community— even countries apart.

I am including a couple of photos so that everyone can see the sweet angel in question. From the day I got him and from today.
 

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Morning I am so glad you have found the support you need. Wiebke always says that our precious guineas live for today and if we can fill that day with love (and food 😂) for them it's a good day. 💙
Those photos are wonderful he is a beauty 💙
 
I cannot even begin to express how grateful I am for your words of wisdom and kindness.. with them came a great sense of peace and comfort to my heart and mind (which have been at odds for quite some time now). I shed many tears reading (and re-reading) your response. Thank you.

I feel in my heart of hearts that I need to find joy in my time left instead of gambling on a procedure that may ultimately rob me of any time left, or even worse, it put him through a traumatic experience and recovery.
8 years with him has been such a gift and I want to celebrate him for whatever time I have left.

Thank you for affirming for me that that is okay. ❤️‍🩹 I am grateful to have found this forum and community— even countries apart.

I am including a couple of photos so that everyone can see the sweet angel in question. From the day I got him and from today.

What a gorgeous little man with clearly oodles of personality! ❤️

Pet ownership is never about quantity. It is very much about quality. Unlike us humans, guinea pigs don't have a concept for an average life span or life prolonging measures. But they have very much a concept for a good life when they see it. As long as you give your piggies as many happy todays as you can, you are ahead and are not failing them, however many or few there are.

See each day as a blessing of your own life because it works both ways. Try to live in the day with your boy but allow him to make his way to the Rainbow Bridge in the gentlest way possible when his journey is coming to an end and he no longer has the quality of life and/or the zest of life to go on and to live a proper piggy life. Send him on, carried by the wings of our love when it is time. Love is about setting free and giving the other what they need, and that is as crucial at the end of a life as it is during a life.

Love transcends time; you can pack a lifetime's worth into just moments that say it all if necessary. I have learned that lesson during the three long years my dad battled terminal cancer and came close to dying several times.

Just because we cannot hold a beloved one anymore doesn't mean that we have lost them altogether. A bond works both ways: Our pets change us as we change their lives. They are a part of our own life and very much a part of who we become during that time; and they remain a part of us for as long as we live. They can also inspire us to go on and become even more.

However, that is for after the acute pain of the impending departure and the actual loss has gone. But please rest assured that the many precious memories you have created and that you hold in your heart won't be lost and that they will be always there for you to warm the cold fingers of your soul at during dark times. Concentrate on adding to that stash right now so you won't have bad regrets. :)

We are here as a community for you to help you through this difficult time with our moral support and understanding for as long as needed. Our forum may be based in the UK but we have members from literally all over the world and a number that have chosen to become an active part of our community, just with the added hurdle of different time zones.

Our forum pre-dates social media and is independent of them. This gives us full control within legal UK constraints and allows us to have and to keep this corner collectively as the kind of place that we have always wanted it to be. A place to hang out with friends (we even have several members who have stayed on after their own piggy journey ended) and to help each other through difficult times as much as it is about cherishing our little furry bundles of joy. We don't depend on generating loads of new threads and can give ongoing moral and practical support for as long as needed, as well as having an extensive helpful and practical information resource, based on coming up to 20 years of collective experience and up to half a century of personal ownership insights.
We respect the owner's needs and anxieties as much as we want to help their piggies; the two go hand in hand for us.

For that purpose, it helps both parties to keep everything to just one ongoing support thread so you do not have to always recap and we can quickly refresh our memory if needed. And for the same reason we recommend that you to bookmark this thread so you can always pick it up easily. ;)

I am glad that I have been able to help you see into your own heart through the fog of your own pain and concerns and to find peace and a new purpose in there. That has made my own day. Thank you. We continue to be here for you for as long as you wish to.
 
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