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Resistant lice

Filomena

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Hello, this is my first post here. I have a 9 month old guinea pig that initially had lice. At that time I had the ability to pay for a vet, I took her and solved the problem.

But recently I got a second guinea pig that also has the same problem. She must be between 2 and 3 months old, in the petshop they applied a medicine with a syringe (without injecting) over her hair. It didn't fully work, I took it back there, they did the same thing, and it didn't work. I went back there about 3 times.

The louse has gone down a lot, but there is still a small amount of louse, and as long as she has it, I can't put it together with my other guinea pig.

Taking into account that I currently don't have enough money to pay for a guinea pig vet (which where I live is quite expensive), what other solution could I have? Lice are found only on her head, on her forehead and a little on her snout.
 
Hello, this is my first post here. I have a 9 month old guinea pig that initially had lice. At that time I had the ability to pay for a vet, I took her and solved the problem.

But recently I got a second guinea pig that also has the same problem. She must be between 2 and 3 months old, in the petshop they applied a medicine with a syringe (without injecting) over her hair. It didn't fully work, I took it back there, they did the same thing, and it didn't work. I went back there about 3 times.

The louse has gone down a lot, but there is still a small amount of louse, and as long as she has it, I can't put it together with my other guinea pig.

Taking into account that I currently don't have enough money to pay for a guinea pig vet (which where I live is quite expensive), what other solution could I have? Lice are found only on her head, on her forehead and a little on her snout.

Hi!

Lice need to be treated with a vet grade ivermectin or selamectin product and will not be healed with a low dosed pet shop product. Some strains of lice can be more resistant than others, especially those that have adapted to lots of DIY home or pet shop undertreatment.
Here is more information on guinea pig parasites and the correct treatment: New guinea pigs: Sexing, vet checks&customer rights, URI, ringworm and parasites

Please be aware that guinea pigs are not cheap pets (what you pay in the pet shop for them is the smallest expense of all) and that you need to save up for vet cost as part of your weekly/monthly maintenance right from the start. Guinea pigs are small prey animals; when they show signs of illness or loss of appetite, they are already very ill and cannot wait weeks or in some case even several days to see a vet.
Emergency Resources and Critical Illness Care - Contents list and subforum link
A guide to vets fees, insurance and payment support.

All the best!
 
Would you be able to borrow money from someone to pay for the vet visit and treatment? At that age her need for companionship comes before the fear of her passing on illnesses to other piggies.
 
Hi!

Lice need to be treated with a vet grade ivermectin or selamectin product and will not be healed with a low dosed pet shop product. Some strains of lice can be more resistant than others, especially those that have adapted to lots of DIY home or pet shop undertreatment.
Here is more information on guinea pig parasites and the correct treatment: New guinea pigs: Sexing, vet checks&customer rights, URI, ringworm and parasites

Please be aware that guinea pigs are not cheap pets (what you pay in the pet shop for them is the smallest expense of all) and that you need to save up for vet cost as part of your weekly/monthly maintenance right from the start. Guinea pigs are small prey animals; when they show signs of illness or loss of appetite, they are already very ill and cannot wait weeks or in some case even several days to see a vet.
Emergency Resources and Critical Illness Care - Contents list and subforum link
A guide to vets fees, insurance and payment support.

All the best!

Yeah, I know that. But crisis is really hiting hard. It's been two weeks since I got fired from my job... I promise that I'll take her to de vet as soon as I get money, but at this moment I can't do.

Would you be able to borrow money from someone to pay for the vet visit and treatment? At that age her need for companionship comes before the fear of her passing on illnesses to other piggies.

I have no one to ask for money, I am... let's say, I live alone. Should I put them together and then when I get money, take them both to the vet?

Shouldn't the store be responsible for treatment, since they sold you a sick piggie?

Well, they tried with the medicine I told. Tried 3 times. Then they asked if I wanted to change my guinea pig or my money back. But I was already attached to her, so I didn't want to change even the money.
 
Yeah, I know that. But crisis is really hiting hard. It's been two weeks since I got fired from my job... I promise that I'll take her to de vet as soon as I get money, but at this moment I can't do.



I have no one to ask for money, I am... let's say, I live alone. Should I put them together and then when I get money, take them both to the vet?



Well, they tried with the medicine I told. Tried 3 times. Then they asked if I wanted to change my guinea pig or my money back. But I was already attached to her, so I didn't want to change even the money.
Definitely wouldn't hand it back, but if I were in your situation I would ask for them to pay for a vet visit and vet prescribed medicine.
 
The Ivermectin needs to be strong enough, yes. Shop bought solution is weak - it has to be, because too strong is harmful to animals. Vets prescribe how much to apply by weight of the animal so it is very important to get the dose right. But also there needs to be repeat doses at the correct time. This is because it kills the live crawling lice (or mites - I have used for both) but not the eggs. One dose and no repeat... everything comes back.

In the UK when we go to the vet for this treatment we usually get spot-on liquid (not injection) and must always use repeat doses at the correct time for success. For mites they do 3 doses each two weeks apart because the life-cycle is about 3 weeks from hatching to adult. I am not sure of life cycle of lice... there are different species but I don't know whether the life-cycles are the same. I used once for lice with same treatment times and it worked for us. First treatment kills all adults but not eggs. Two weeks later second treatment kills eggs that have hatched by now, but young ones are not yet mature enough to lay eggs. 3rd treatment two weeks after that is basically any odd ones that got through the second treatment. It is tempting to miss the third treatment out to make cheaper but you may have to start all over again so we always do. If lice have 3 weeks life cycle same treatment times will work - if medicine is correct strength. Problem is, you start to apply weak medicine over and over and lice can get resistant.

If you put piggies together you will have to treat both but eggs and lice can be transferred in bedding, on people (they don't live on us but can be transferred on clothes!) so maybe other pig is already exposed anyway. Have you checked for lice on other piggie again? The vet might say to treat both pigs whatever. It's a tricky one. Can they see each other where they are and wheek to each other for company and comfort? Do you think they would be happier together even if they are itchy together? It is lovely you did not give her back - she is with a really caring owner who wants what is best for these piggies 💕

I would try to think what would make these two lone piggies most happy. I really do understand you are not in the best of positions right now. By the time I noticed lice on my pig she must have had them a while because I saw about 20 when I looked but actually she seemed fine in herself. I didn't even see her scratching much - I just suddenly saw dark lice on white fur - hard to miss! Good luck with your decision and I hope things pick up financially. Stay safe x
 
The Ivermectin needs to be strong enough, yes. Shop bought solution is weak - it has to be, because too strong is harmful to animals. Vets prescribe how much to apply by weight of the animal so it is very important to get the dose right. But also there needs to be repeat doses at the correct time. This is because it kills the live crawling lice (or mites - I have used for both) but not the eggs. One dose and no repeat... everything comes back.

It's funny, because for my first guinea pig, the vet only used it once and solved it days later. I can't be sure if it was Ivermectin, but it was something with syringe too.

In the UK when we go to the vet for this treatment we usually get spot-on liquid (not injection) and must always use repeat doses at the correct time for success. For mites they do 3 doses each two weeks apart because the life-cycle is about 3 weeks from hatching to adult. I am not sure of life cycle of lice... there are different species but I don't know whether the life-cycles are the same. I used once for lice with same treatment times and it worked for us. First treatment kills all adults but not eggs. Two weeks later second treatment kills eggs that have hatched by now, but young ones are not yet mature enough to lay eggs. 3rd treatment two weeks after that is basically any odd ones that got through the second treatment. It is tempting to miss the third treatment out to make cheaper but you may have to start all over again so we always do. If lice have 3 weeks life cycle same treatment times will work - if medicine is correct strength. Problem is, you start to apply weak medicine over and over and lice can get resistant.

3 doses? Jeez, I don't know when I'll be able to pay all this from visiting the vet. 😞 My fear is exactly that, lice getting resistant. I'm not going back in this petshop.

If you put piggies together you will have to treat both but eggs and lice can be transferred in bedding, on people (they don't live on us but can be transferred on clothes!) so maybe other pig is already exposed anyway. Have you checked for lice on other piggie again? The vet might say to treat both pigs whatever. It's a tricky one. Can they see each other where they are and wheek to each other for company and comfort? Do you think they would be happier together even if they are itchy together? It is lovely you did not give her back - she is with a really caring owner who wants what is best for these piggies 💕

Maybe it's not smart to put the piggies together, because it will only be more money that I will have to pay to treat the healthy piggy. And yes, I checked if the other piggy has lice, she's all black so it's not that hard to find white dots on her, so thanks God she's healthy and with no lice. They can not see each other, I don't have two cages, so I had to improvise a very small 60x60 cage for the little one, I wasn’t expecting her to come with lice, I would put the two together in a larger cage. The one with the lice is in my bedroom, and the healthy one is in the living room. Now and then the little piggie screams because she hears the other scream for food. The older one is used to being alone, but the younger one is not, but I don't have much to do, unfortunately. 😞 And it breaks my heart, I try to give maximum attention to the little one but... what else can I do without money.

I would try to think what would make these two lone piggies most happy. I really do understand you are not in the best of positions right now. By the time I noticed lice on my pig she must have had them a while because I saw about 20 when I looked but actually she seemed fine in herself. I didn't even see her scratching much - I just suddenly saw dark lice on white fur - hard to miss! Good luck with your decision and I hope things pick up financially. Stay safe x
I'll try to think in something to make both happy and not alone, thanks for the advices. Really. ❤
 
I were in your situation I would ask for them to pay for a vet visit and vet prescribed medicine.
I have enough social anxiety to be unable to impose myself in this way, sadly. lmao
 
I have enough social anxiety to be unable to impose myself in this way, sadly. lmao

I am very sorry. When you can, please see a vet. You do not need to see them three times.; they can give you the ivermectin or selamectin based product and tell you at which interval you need to repeat the treatment twice. While good quality ivermectin is not quite cheap, it is also by far not the most expensive treatment.

Here is more US based information on ivermectin; google to see whether it is available online in your country at the right strength.
Guinea Lynx :: Lice
The problem with ordering cheaply online is that you do not have control over whether you get a cheap fake or the proper product, which is why ordering from a reputable vet provider is not quite as cheap but it gives you more protection.

In the meantime, please put your piggies together by introducing them on neutral ground. Our step-by-step bonding guide will help you with that. You cannot just stick a piggy in another piggy's territory.
Here is the link: Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics

The need for company is not just overwhelming at this age, lack of it is also a major stress factor that is contributing to your baby not being able to get on top of the lice.
They are both still quite young with their immune system still under construction, which is one reason why pet shop or breeder babies are so vulnerable to skin parasites, fungal skin and respiratory infections - these common problems have all one thing in common: they are contagious and they are all opportunistic issues that generally hit when the immune system is not stong or lowered by young and old age, pregnancy, illness or major stress.

What you CAN do until you have the necessary money is to concentrate on companionship and a good diet. Diet is key for building up a long term strong immune system that is a much stronger and better defence against skin parasites. It also can add 1-2 years to your piggy's life span. Unlimited hay and fresh growing (dog pee free) grass is the most most important food; it is what guinea pigs have evolved on - both their digestive system and the teeth, which are very fast growing to balance against the silica in grass and hay. Fresh grass is rich in vitamin C and good quality hay also contains it; they are the reason why guinea pigs never had the need to make their own vitamin C. Green vegetables and fresh herbs replace other plants guinea pigs would eat to supplement their grass based diet for trace elements. But they need comparatively little of them. 1 tablespoon max. of pellets (please no dry mix if possible) per piggy per day is enough; pellets are the part of the diet that can be left out if you can supplement fresh veg with some dried forage.
A good diet alone cannot make your lice disappear because it takes several weeks before it really starts making a difference, but it can help your piggies to fend them off and it can in the long term help them to not get another outbreak again and to be overall much healthier.
Here is more very detailed information on a good diet. That is in the longer term the best weapon against illness: Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets

Because of the time difference between you and our forum, which is based in the Untied Kingdowm, I would strongly recommend that you save these information and practical help links here in case you need some quick information when we are are not around. We have one of the most extensive information collections on guinea pigs that you can find:
Getting Started - New Owners' Most Helpful Guides
Emergency Resources and Critical Illness Care - Contents list and subforum link

I hope that this helps you? Please take the time to look at the green links in my posts.
 
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