Possible neurological issues

[Popcorn bby]

I'm going to say this straight off the bat, I suck at describing what's going on. This is going to be a long one since everything kind of needs a backstory first. But I've been seeing my guinea pig do this for a few days now and after what happened today, I knew I needed to trust myself even though these symptoms are so difficult and rare to describe. Okay, let me start. My guinea pig, to be short let me call her P, started having seizures over two months ago, I came home one night and she had them a lot, still acting fine and everything. I noticed they were both scratching a lot, so I prayed it was mites. It was late at night, so the next day I took her to my grandma's house (bringing a portable cage) so that as soon as my mom came back from work (she goes to my grandma's house first) we could immediately leave to the vet. The thing is, the next day, she didn't have any seizures despite not undergoing any mite treatment. She hasn't had seizures ever since, luckily. But it's something that's confused me, since even the top vets that specialize in exotics, especially guinea pigs, still had no idea what it could've been. At the same time, they both, especially P, were walking strained, tense and were emitting strange movements. To try put it into perspective, the bit of strained movement guinea pigs do when rumblestrutting kind of gives an idea of how they were moving. So like I said, we noticed tons of scratching so we had started revolution, and November 2nd was their third dose. The itching has seemed to calm last month, I noticed a bit this month but definitely not enough for me to assume out of the ordinary. I'd say about four-five days ago, I noticed P walked strangely every once in a while. (Here comes the bad explanation) We layer our fleece on top of each other, so there's usually a part of the cage where there's like a small hill because some areas are more layered then others. Their seemed to be a bit of this at the way front of the cage, and it was as if P's right legs were stepping into the dip, while the rest of her body was on the higher part. She was walking at the front when she did this, so I very much assumed that the only reason for this strange walking was the unleveled fleece. This same day though, I noticed a bit of the strange strained/tense movements. Barely any though, so I ignored it. Ever since though, everyday there seems to be a bit more of these strange movements, a bit more scratching too. One notable thing I've seen her do twice is she's standing, and her back left leg seems to kind of bend or give out? This sends and awkward position where either that side of her butt just lays on the floor for a few seconds before going back to normal, or the other time it seemed more like her but just twisted onto its side, in which I though she was going to have a seizure but thankfully didn't. This has only happened twice. I'm just so stressed. Something happened today though, less than an hour ago actually that made me realize I had to write this. So P popcorned, and when she came down, she landed on her side (once again, I thought she was going to have a seizure but she got up in less than a second). This might have an explanation, because she hit herself on her wood hidey while she jumped up, and there is the weird leveling on the cage so half of her body landed on the high part and her front part landed ont he part that was a tad bit lower. But after this, I couldn't just keep trying to make it make sense. My mom is in Chicago right now, and she isn't coming back for four days/five nights, and I'm here left with my grandma who doesn't speak English, doesn't know anything about guinea pigs and it/vets, and doesn't have any money for the vets. Don't know if this is notable but, she's been dealing with a gas episode that was reoccurring for a solid month at least, SO vegetable intake has been minimal, although we've been increasing vegetables daily by a little bit for about a week now. Don't know if that could help. I pray that this is caused by the mites, even though wouldn't the revolution have stopped the mites already? Please tell me if it is possible for the revolution to not be working or something. I pray it isn't but, could this be neurological issues? God bless please help. I'll post some video links below, although these videos do not showcase a lot of what I have been seeing these past days

 

[Popcorn bby]

Once again, I can not stress that these do NOT fully capture whatsoever what I have been seeing these past days. These are the closest things I could get to the strange movements and actions. I personally believe the third link showcases most accurately out of all of these, but you would have to pay really close attention. I really hope this is the mites. Please someone reply soon. Also so sorry for the horrible quality, it might be hard to see.

(I recommend pausing it and looking at it slowly)

(this one could obviously be an itch, but the head movement is something that I've been seeing)

(I beg you to please watch this one very carefully, especially the way she walks and just moves in general. This one showcases lots of itching)

I love my baby, I pray this is mites and nothing else! As I have a stated, every single movement that I have been seeing is the exact same as when they started having mites with no treatment.

 

[Popcorn bby]

Once again, I can not stress that these do NOT fully capture whatsoever what I have been seeing these past days. These are the closest things I could get to the strange movements and actions. I personally believe the third link showcases most accurately out of all of these, but you would have to pay really close attention. I really hope this is the mites. Please someone reply soon. Also so sorry for the horrible quality, it might be hard to see.

(I recommend pausing it and looking at it slowly)

(this one could obviously be an itch, but the head movement is something that I've been seeing)

(I beg you to please watch this one very carefully, especially the way she walks and just moves in general. This one showcases lots of itching)

I love my baby, I pray this is mites and nothing else! As I have a stated, every single movement that I have been seeing is the exact same as when they started having mites with no treatment.

Update: just a few minutes ago she got some critical care on her paws so she didn't the type of shake where guinea pigs stand on their back legs and shake in the air. I noticed she was quite hesitant to do it. She did it but almost immediately feel to the ground. She landed on her side. That's something I didn't see when she had the mites. This might not mean anything, but she also had to keep one front leg down when giving herself a piggie wash.

 

[DMS260820]

That movement looks very normal to me, my pigs do the same

 

[Popcorn bby]

That movement looks very normal to me, my pigs do the same

I figured, the videos aren't much help though. She did manage to do that type of shake again (the one where she only stands on her hind legs) without falling this time. That's restored tons of hope.

 

[Siikibam]

The shaking is a way to clean themselves, and so is what she does in the second video.

I don’t see anything odd in the way she is walking, and the first video just looks like he was chased off by the other piggy so is running away.

Did the vet prescribe the medicine or are you home treating? We don’t recommend the latter, so if you are treating off your own back then I’d recommend you go to a vetfor a general check. But also mention the scratching. Make sure the vet is cavy savvy as well.

 

[Popcorn bby]

The shaking is a way to clean themselves, and so is what she does in the second video.

I don’t see anything odd in the way she is walking, and the first video just looks like he was chased off by the other piggy so is running away.

Did the vet prescribe the medicine or are you home treating? We don’t recommend the latter, so if you are treating off your own back then I’d recommend you go to a vetfor a general check. But also mention the scratching. Make sure the vet is cavy savvy as well.

Well for the mites we are getting the revolution (dosed from the vets as well) from the vet, but doing the actual applying of revolution at home once a month (the vet showed us to just apply it between their shoulder blades). I have talked to my mom over the phone about a vet visit, but like I said because she is in Chicago right now and my grandma can not and would not take me for many reasons, we are still trying to figure out when we could take her, since my mom isn't coming back for another five nights.

 

[Popcorn bby]

PLEASE HELP

Now shes just falling when shes not doing anything. She was just standing right now and she feel on her side, not a seizure.

 

[Siikibam]

Are you able to video it? Is there another adult who would be able to take you? Is the vet well versed on guinea pigs? And what type of mites exactly did they say your piggies have?

I think you really do need to get her to a vet somehow.

I don’t know if revolution is the same as ivermectin, but that’s what is prescribed here for mites. Also, a month seems a long time between applications. Have a read of the thread I’ve linked before for more details on mites.
What to check and look out for in new guinea pigs (vet checks, sexing, parasites&illness)

 

[Siikibam]

PS tagging @Wiebke @PigglePuggle @Piggies&buns @Abi_nurse
its night here so you’re not likely to get much help as people are asleep.

 

[Wiebke]

Are you able to video it? Is there another adult who would be able to take you? Is the vet well versed on guinea pigs? And what type of mites exactly did they say your piggies have?

I think you really do need to get her to a vet somehow.

I don’t know if revolution is the same as ivermectin, but that’s what is prescribed here for mites. Also, a month seems a long time between applications. Have a read of the thread I’ve linked before for more details on mites.
What to check and look out for in new guinea pigs (vet checks, sexing, parasites&illness)

Hi!

I can't see any unusual behaviour or specifically any fitting (which is the one connected with severe mange mites) in your videos.
When was the last time your piggies have had revolution?

Revolution is a selamectin and not ivermectin based US brand; the corresponding UK brand is called stronghold. It can be used against mange mites although ivermectin is generally considered more effective.

Can you please specify whether your vet has diagnosed mange mites (trixacarus caviae, which lay their eggs into the painfully inflamed skin and which can kill if untreated or undertreated) or hay/fur mites (chirodiscoides caviae, which fix their egg cases to the hairs and which live off skin debris, especially in the bum area)?

More information on mites and mites treatment:
What to check and look out for in new guinea pigs (vet checks, sexing, parasites&illness) (contains a list of guinea pig specific parasites and their treatment).
Guinea Lynx :: Mange Mites

 

[Siikibam]

Thank you for popping in @Wiebke
I’m wondering whether some of what she saw as fitting is popcorning. If it’s fitting, they’d be twitching and rolling/unable to stand correct?

 

[Wiebke]

Thank you for popping in @Wiebke
I’m wondering whether some of what she saw as fitting is popcorning. If it’s fitting, they’d be twitching and rolling/unable to stand correct?

They'd twitching uncontrollably with mange mites.

Here is a thread with popcorning videos, but a mini-popcorn can just be a hint of a jump/abrupt change of direction. Caspar's video would come closest to that.
'Popcorning' and 'zooming' - joy and exuberance (videos)

 

[Piggies&buns]

I have just seen this and I have to agree with the others, I cannot see anything concerning in the way she is walking or moving. There is a bit of scratching but that looks like a normal way to scratch.
I think if it is something which isn’t happening all of the time, then you are going to want to try to video it for the vet to see as well as otherwise she may not display the behaviour you see when she is at the vet. If you can capture more video and show it to us between now and when you can get to the vet then that would be helpful. As it stands though, and you say the third video shows it best, but even in the third video I cannot see anything which looks concerning.

 

[Popcorn bby]

Are you able to video it? Is there another adult who would be able to take you? Is the vet well versed on guinea pigs? And what type of mites exactly did they say your piggies have?

I think you really do need to get her to a vet somehow.

I don’t know if revolution is the same as ivermectin, but that’s what is prescribed here for mites. Also, a month seems a long time between applications. Have a read of the thread I’ve linked before for more details on mites.
What to check and look out for in new guinea pigs (vet checks, sexing, parasites&illness)

Unfortunately, I'm never able to get it on camera.

Hi!

I can't see any unusual behaviour or specifically any fitting (which is the one connected with severe mange mites) in your videos.
When was the last time your piggies have had revolution?

Revolution is a selamectin and not ivermectin based US brand; the corresponding UK brand is called stronghold. It can be used against mange mites although ivermectin is generally considered more effective.

Can you please specify whether your vet has diagnosed mange mites (trixacarus caviae, which lay their eggs into the painfully inflamed skin and which can kill if untreated or undertreated) or hay/fur mites (chirodiscoides caviae, which fix their egg cases to the hairs and which live off skin debris, especially in the bum area)?

More information on mites and mites treatment:
What to check and look out for in new guinea pigs (vet checks, sexing, parasites&illness) (contains a list of guinea pig specific parasites and their treatment).
Guinea Lynx :: Mange Mites

They had revolution 24 days ago, we get it every month on the second and last dose was their third I believe. I am seeing a large amount of scratching, although not yet to the extent of scratching they were at with the definite mites, but seeing that revolution is a less strong treatment for mites, I am reminded that I did decrease the dose of revolution by a tiny bit (I can not remember what form of measurement was, i think 30cc but they filled the syringe to the top, that little space above the last number marked, so i lowered it maybe 5cc to get to the 30 mark) when I applied the revolution onto her. I just got back home a good ten minutes ago, my lil babe is doing great, out of context this seems weird to say, but I am so happy to see she us scratching herself quite often, hopefully she and her sister start scratching a bit more. And yes, I can confirm that those little fits are not popcorning. She was popcorning in one, its the landings that are alarming. Although I did not fully watch the little fall she did while standing, she could have been twitching but since I only saw the end of it, I can not confirm. For the other ones though, where she landed on her side instead of her feet, there was no twitching. Once again, no vets solidely told us what she had was a certain type of mites, but the ones we went to first (they couldn't do anything except start the revolution, so they referred us to an exotics vet that did not specify a type of mites) said something about it being probably being mange mites, assuming because of the seizures. We were going to go to the specialists again tomorrow, since we were sure the other ones would just refer us to them again, but they are completely booked because they are closing extra early for thanksgiving the day after. So we are taking them to the vet (the ones that aren't specialists) tomorrow just to hear their input, and to confirm if they still have to go to the exotics vet on Friday, and if she does, then to confirm she can wait until Friday.

 

[Popcorn bby]

I have just seen this and I have to agree with the others, I cannot see anything concerning in the way she is walking or moving. There is a bit of scratching but that looks like a normal way to scratch.
I think if it is something which isn’t happening all of the time, then you are going to want to try to video it for the vet to see as well as otherwise she may not display the behaviour you see when she is at the vet. If you can capture more video and show it to us between now and when you can get to the vet then that would be helpful. As it stands though, and you say the third video shows it best, but even in the third video I cannot see anything which looks concerning.

It is undeniably frustrating to not be able to describe it, even more so that combined with having no visual proof other than myself seeing it firsthand. But at the same time, I am incredibly grateful that she is not doing it so often to the point that it is not difficult to catch a video of it. She seems much happier now, and quite itchy as well. Her happiness is always the best, and in this situation the scratching really is also most positive!

 

[Popcorn bby]

Update: I've realized a few things and a few things have happened. First, she seemingly popcorned but ran straight into her cage walk, slamming against it. She's moving much smoother and hasn't fallen on we side at all, but unfortunately there is less scratching now, which has got me nervous along with another thing I've realized. Like I've stated, when they had gotten the mites, the seizures had stopped before we even got mite treatment started. So, seeing the symptoms are definitely calming/stopping without any treatment, I'm actually getting more worried. What if this is a reoccurring thing?

 

[Piggies&buns]

Sorry can I just check - I may have missed something - but why do you say ‘unfortunately the scratching is less’? If they have mites and the scratching eases then it means the treatment is working and they are getting better from the mites.
Having mange mites can cause seizures. So it goes that once the mites are cured the seizures should ease off. Which means the problem goes away.
It’s only once the mites are treated and if you still see the strange movements that there may be another problem.

In your original post you say you found her having a seizure one night, she had them a lot but still seemed fine. Can you explain what you actually saw when she had this seizure?

 

[Siikibam]

I was going to say that less scratching is good, not bad.
Can I ask why you changed the dosage of revolution? You should have given the full dose as told by the vet. And I would book to see the knowledgable vet rather than the general one.

@Piggies&buns I'm not sure that the piggy is having a seizure. From the way she describes it it doesn’t sound like it to me anyway. I think it’s quite distinct.

@Popcorn bby sometimes when they popcorn they can land in a way that looks awkward to you. I think some piggies have been known to fall over when they popcorn. Have a look at the link below.
'Popcorning' and 'zooming' - joy and exuberance (videos)

 

[Piggies&buns]

I was going to say that less scratching is good, not bad.
Can I ask why you changed the dosage of revolution? You should have given the full dose as told by the vet. And I would book to see the knowledgable vet rather than the general one.

@Piggies&buns I'm not sure that the piggy is having a seizure. From the way she describes it it doesn’t sound like it to me anyway. I think it’s quite distinct.

@Popcorn bby sometimes when they popcorn they can land in a way that looks awkward to you. I think some piggies have been known to fall over when they popcorn. Have a look at the link below.
'Popcorning' and 'zooming' - joy and exuberance (videos)

Yes, that is what I was wondering that it wasn’t in fact a seizure. From the information on this thread it doesn’t sound like seizures to me either.

I’ve certainly seen mine misjudge their positioning when popcorning and bang into something when landing.

@Popcorn bby - you say that she was standing still and then just fell on her side. This also can be explained as being perfectly normal. They do suddenly just flop onto their side as a method of laying down. Mostly they do it when they are comfortable in their environment and feel safe enough to just flop out like that.

 

[PigglePuggle]

Bit late to this thread but I also cannot see anything worryong from the behaviour shown in the videos, her gait and the amount of grooming look quite normal, the 3rd video looks like a happy popcorn.
Its important to stick to the exact dosage when treating for mites, otherwise you wont be killing them all and any remaining mites could develop resistance to the drug- by under dosing you are selecting for survivors who are less susceptible to the treatment!
I also wonder looking at your cage set up if you have hot washed your fleeces and F10 blitzed your cage and thrown away or treated the wooden (or thrown away any cardboard) furniture to make sure no mites are lurking in the cage?
But I see no sign of a neurological problem, though of course you should see a vet asap if you are at all concerned!

 

[Eriathwen]

Having had a piggy with severe neurological damage, and currently having one with minor neurological damage, I don't see anything in the videos that would alarm me, or that look anything like what either of my piggies do/did ☺ as the others have said, sometimes piggies can be so happy their popcorning causes them to fall over, I've even seen a video of one on their side in a bed vibrating, kicking out etc which looked very seizure like. Fingers crossed you just have very happy piggies!

 

[Popcorn bby]

Sorry can I just check - I may have missed something - but why do you say ‘unfortunately the scratching is less’? If they have mites and the scratching eases then it means the treatment is working and they are getting better from the mites.
Having mange mites can cause seizures. So it goes that once the mites are cured the seizures should ease off. Which means the problem goes away.
It’s only once the mites are treated and if you still see the strange movements that there may be another problem.

In your original post you say you found her having a seizure one night, she had them a lot but still seemed fine. Can you explain what you actually saw when she had this seizure?

Oh, sorry if I was unclear! This was just my logic. These symptoms started about 19 days after her second dose of revolution, suggesting that the revolution is not being effective. Within these six-seven days she's had these symptoms, we have given her no treatment. If these symptoms were to go away before we were to get any stronger treatment, wouldn't that suggest that it is not mites? I am seeing even less scratching today than yesterday. We are going to the vet today, but the vets there aren't guinea pig experts or anything. We will talk to them and based off of what we hear and get there we will decide whether we should go through with the specialist appointment on Friday (although even at the specialists they do not give brain scans). That's why the fact that they are not scratching anymore is worrying me.

Also, I have a whole thrwas as about the seizures but to sum it up, she was falling on her side/almost back with her eyes slightly rolled up, and laying there twitching for a bit, although a few she was just paralyzed when they happened.

 

[VickiA]

Please speak to the vet if you are concerned. Nothing beats the vet’s advice.

 

[Popcorn bby]

I was going to say that less scratching is good, not bad.
Can I ask why you changed the dosage of revolution? You should have given the full dose as told by the vet. And I would book to see the knowledgable vet rather than the general one.

@Piggies&buns I'm not sure that the piggy is having a seizure. From the way she describes it it doesn’t sound like it to me anyway. I think it’s quite distinct.

@Popcorn bby sometimes when they popcorn they can land in a way that looks awkward to you. I think some piggies have been known to fall over when they popcorn. Have a look at the link below.
'Popcorning' and 'zooming' - joy and exuberance (videos)

This might get confusing. So after they got their first dose of revolution applied by the vet, we decided that whenever they needed their next dose we could just go to the vet without the piggies (it's a lot cheaper and the only difference s who applies it, and the vets had told us how to apply it the first time) , and get the revolution in syringes to apply to both of them at home. So this means the last time they got their revolution, the vet themselves didn't dose it. The nurse's just looked at the last dose that both of them got off their records, and filled the suringes accordingly. The highest marked number on the syringe was 30, and they said that was her dose. So on syringes, there is a little space above the last marked number. They filled the syringe above the 30 mark, so the entire syringe was full. I just emptied a bit out so it hit the 30 mark, but I am not sure if that could have been wrong. As I said, we are going to the general vet today to discuss new mite treatment and if we should go through with the specialist appointment.

You would also be correct about the fact that this time these don't seem like seizures.

The thing is, she's never done this before, and she's not just doing it when she popcorns (hence the one where she was shaking herself off and didn't land, and the one where she was just standing-although I only saw the end of that one, so I can not confirm if it was a seizure).

 

[Popcorn bby]

Yes, that is what I was wondering that it wasn’t in fact a seizure. From the information on this thread it doesn’t sound like seizures to me either.

I’ve certainly seen mine misjudge their positioning when popcorning and bang into something when landing.

@Popcorn bby - you say that she was standing still and then just fell on her side. This also can be explained as being perfectly normal. They do suddenly just flop onto their side as a method of laying down. Mostly they do it when they are comfortable in their environment and feel safe enough to just flop out like that.

Yes, she does like to lay down on her side a lot, but this one was unnatural because out of what I had seen, she was pretty close to being on her back. I have noticed now that even though she's not scratching as much today, whevener she does have an itch, it is always a strong itch. It's like for humans when we have a burning itch all of a sudden that kinda makes you twitch a tiny bit at first, its kind of like that (she's not twitching crazy or fitting ofc).

 

[Popcorn bby]

Bit late to this thread but I also cannot see anything worryong from the behaviour shown in the videos, her gait and the amount of grooming look quite normal, the 3rd video looks like a happy popcorn.
Its important to stick to the exact dosage when treating for mites, otherwise you wont be killing them all and any remaining mites could develop resistance to the drug- by under dosing you are selecting for survivors who are less susceptible to the treatment!
I also wonder looking at your cage set up if you have hot washed your fleeces and F10 blitzed your cage and thrown away or treated the wooden (or thrown away any cardboard) furniture to make sure no mites are lurking in the cage?
But I see no sign of a neurological problem, though of course you should see a vet asap if you are at all concerned!

When the mites has started we decided to just trash the old, bottom wood cage completely. We switched to this one and there is no wood here, although there is cardboard on the bottom of the fleece that they don't have access to but we haven't changed in a while. I'll get on that. We change the fleece once a week and spot clean almost every day. She is very moody with her cagemate today, and to me she seems thinner (I don't have a scale to weigh her). Both of these things happened when she was having symptoms (quite similair to this) as the mites started. That's reassuring, hopefully this is nothing more than a nasty case of mites!

 

[Siikibam]

How come it’s cheaper to go to the vet without the piggies? And when is their next dose due? I wouldn’t bother with the general vet and just make an appointment with the specialist one. It’s better to have a guinea pig savvy vet from the start. If you were looking for a second opinion then yes I would understand you going to another (exotic) vet.

I don’t think that she is fitting from what you describe. And sometimes they will stand on their hind legs to clean themselves...I think that’s what you described in one of your earlier replies.

Are they on disposable bedding or fleece? Doesn’t the cardboard underneath get wet from pee getting through?

 

[Popcorn bby]

How come it’s cheaper to go to the vet without the piggies? And when is their next dose due? I wouldn’t bother with the general vet and just make an appointment with the specialist one. It’s better to have a guinea pig savvy vet from the start. If you were looking for a second opinion then yes I would understand you going to another (exotic) vet.

I don’t think that she is fitting from what you describe. And sometimes they will stand on their hind legs to clean themselves...I think that’s what you described in one of your earlier replies.

Are they on disposable bedding or fleece? Doesn’t the cardboard underneath get wet from pee getting through?

We just came back from the general vet. Like I predicted, she basically just said it could be anything, and to try to get it on video for the specialists. She actually gained more weight than last month, and she said everything looked and sounded good. She really said it could be anything from neurological issues to a brain tumor even or mites, although she said she couldn't find any skin symptoms of mites. However, I'm more convinced that this is mites now in a way, when she scratches it's a lot, and these same exact symptoms happened when she started having mites, so it's not exactly a long shot to say this is mites. I've been waiting to make sure, but she hasn't had any falls/symptoms for all of today and yesterday. I asked about ivermectin and she said they were both in the same family so she didn't want to change it, I asked about a bath and she said it could help but wasn't exactly the recommendation for treating mites. She's scratching quite a lot. I feel a bit more reassured despite not getting any answers this appointment. But once again, never a dull moment with these two haha. The vet listened to her lungs and said they sounded good, but it was extremely cold out (we put a blanket out but it didn't exactly cover the entire front, so I pressed my chest against it to hopefully suppress any cold from enetering) during our trips to and from the car and to and from the vet. As soon as we got home, she started having quite a sneeze attack while she groomed herself. Lots of consecutive sneezes. At least we have an appointment on Friday, so they just have to wait tonight, tomorrow, and Friday (appointments at 4pm) if this is a URI, hopefully not!

As for your question, every vet here you have to pay if the vet takes any time to see the guinea pig, the average amount for the visit, even if short, itself is usually $70 (unless it's a recheck, but you can only have one recheck). The next dose is due on December 2nd, not too far. Yes, I am aware they will clean themselves like that, but that time she did she didn't land back on her feet when coming down. The cardboard actually managed to stay dry for pretty long, although last cage cleaning it was wet. I've been trying to find time to get some more, but without my mom here atm I can't do much at all. Our specialist appointment is on Friday, less than two days from now. My mom is coming back on Saturday.

 

[Siikibam]

It’s highly unlikely she has a URI. Sneezing is a way to clear themselves out so please don’t worry about that. And I’m not sure how to ever guessed at a brain tumour without an X-ray or scan.

If I were you, I wouldn’t be worried about there being something majorly wrong. As I said previously, I don’t think that tour piggy is having seizures at all. Landing awkwardly doesn’t always mean there’s something wrong.