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Pooing problems

RachelLaura2012

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Dwight has had a rough 48 hours - we the morning before last that he hadn’t done a poo overnight, which was very very odd for him because he’s usually a greedy messy boy. After observing for a few hours, we noticed that he was quite tired and cuddly, whereas usually he’s feisty and doesn’t like to be handled at all. We took him to the vets as an emergency and he stayed the night with them. He came back to us yesterday and the vet said they’d given him fluids, but ultimately when they’d tried to take blood, he’d kicked off so much that he relieved himself all over the vet table. They also did an X-ray before this and said that they saw a shadowy thing near his bladder, they they said not to worry about too much because they just thought it was gas.

The vet said he was fine to come home because he’d done several poos with them, but since he’s been back with us he’s still struggled. He only has an appetite for lettuce (I know far from ideal, but ultimately I can’t deprive him of it under the circumstances), and he nibbles a meadow hay block but isn’t eating as much hay as I’d like. We’ve also been attempting to syringe feed, but because he’s quite alert and feisty still, he’s been resisting to the point where we’re reluctant to keep trying because he’s more likely to hurt himself than take anything.

He’s not pooing in his cage, and the only way I’ve been able to get him to relieve himself has been to give him a bum bath. He’s had 4 or 5 today and every time he’s done between 10-20 poos. They’re a little mis-shaped but I’ve got a feeling that could be down to him mostly eating lettuce, which I know can cause poos like that. I’ve tried to make poo soup with his poo and his brothers (not that he’ll eat that either). It’s hard to determine a consistency because they’re plopping straight into water, but here’s a picture.

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I’ve also managed to get down him about 7ml of protein based critical care, and odd bits of fibre based critical care that I’ve tricked him into eating on lettuce. He doesn’t seem to like the taste of the Oxbow CC, which is obviously massively inconvenient, especially with him being well enough in himself to resist.

I’m really quite concerned, but because I’ve been able to get him to poo, the vet doesn’t consider him an emergency (at least not enough to come back into the practice during COVID).

Does anyone have any ideas about what I can do to make him eat something more than just lettuce? Or any idea about why he’d be able to poo in water but not in his cage? I could really do with some general advice or reassurance about what to do.
 
Dwight has had a rough 48 hours - we the morning before last that he hadn’t done a poo overnight, which was very very odd for him because he’s usually a greedy messy boy. After observing for a few hours, we noticed that he was quite tired and cuddly, whereas usually he’s feisty and doesn’t like to be handled at all. We took him to the vets as an emergency and he stayed the night with them. He came back to us yesterday and the vet said they’d given him fluids, but ultimately when they’d tried to take blood, he’d kicked off so much that he relieved himself all over the vet table. They also did an X-ray before this and said that they saw a shadowy thing near his bladder, they they said not to worry about too much because they just thought it was gas.

The vet said he was fine to come home because he’d done several poos with them, but since he’s been back with us he’s still struggled. He only has an appetite for lettuce (I know far from ideal, but ultimately I can’t deprive him of it under the circumstances), and he nibbles a meadow hay block but isn’t eating as much hay as I’d like. We’ve also been attempting to syringe feed, but because he’s quite alert and feisty still, he’s been resisting to the point where we’re reluctant to keep trying because he’s more likely to hurt himself than take anything.

He’s not pooing in his cage, and the only way I’ve been able to get him to relieve himself has been to give him a bum bath. He’s had 4 or 5 today and every time he’s done between 10-20 poos. They’re a little mis-shaped but I’ve got a feeling that could be down to him mostly eating lettuce, which I know can cause poos like that. I’ve tried to make poo soup with his poo and his brothers (not that he’ll eat that either). It’s hard to determine a consistency because they’re plopping straight into water, but here’s a picture.

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I’ve also managed to get down him about 7ml of protein based critical care, and odd bits of fibre based critical care that I’ve tricked him into eating on lettuce. He doesn’t seem to like the taste of the Oxbow CC, which is obviously massively inconvenient, especially with him being well enough in himself to resist.

I’m really quite concerned, but because I’ve been able to get him to poo, the vet doesn’t consider him an emergency (at least not enough to come back into the practice during COVID).

Does anyone have any ideas about what I can do to make him eat something more than just lettuce? Or any idea about why he’d be able to poo in water but not in his cage? I could really do with some general advice or reassurance about what to do.

Hi!

You need to give a lot more syringe feeding support! Keep in mind that hay makes around 80% of what your boy eats in a day; veg and pellets are just in the way of a snack.

Please feed ever 2 hours during the day and at least once or twice during the night. Ideally you are aiming for about 60 ml overall in 24 hours but the closer you come to 40 ml the better; that is the absolute minimum of survival. Your determined syringe feeding care can all the difference between life and death. it is not nice and it is desperate battle to get the food into him, but you need to be tough. You adjust the frequency of feeding to how difficult it is to get feed into him - 5-10 ml every two hours in the day and 3 hours at night, 10-15 ml - every 3-4 hours during the day and once in the night. Please only ever give as much as he can hold comfortably in his mouth (0.3-0.5 ml; in a very weak piggy 0.1 ml) and always wait until it has gone down before giving more.
You can mix the critical care with mushed up pellets and see whether that is going down better but you need to cut off the syringe tip just below where it widens to allow the fibre in the pellets to pass through. Also offer water as much as he will take.

Please be aware that you need to control the food intake by weighing; the poo output lags 1-2 days behind, depending on how slow the guts are. The current output reflects what has happened in the last two days.

Have your vet provided you with gut stimulants and any painkillers? It is very likely that something is either pushing on the lower gut or the pain is impacting on it. If things don't improve, your vet needs to explore what this could be.

Please take the time to read the links below. They give you all the relevant information and explanations in detail:
Emergency, Crisis and Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
Probiotics, Recovery Foods And Vitamin C: Overview With Product Links
Weight - Monitoring and Management
 
Thanks for your help! Just managed to get 10ml of CC into him reluctantly, and about 3ml of water. A long way off the desired I know.

The vet gave him nothing but CC to come home with, and right now we can’t even get through to them. Extremely bad timing for them to go silent!

Any ideas around why he would he comfy pooing I in the water but not anywhere else?

Thanks so so much again for your response and help
 
Update:

So we’ve managed to get plenty of CC down him and he’s very slowly starting to eat meadow hay (in block form) of his own accord. He’s really perked up, but after still not pooping outside of a bum bath, I got the vet to prescribe a gut stimulant & pain relief.

He’s been on these for 48 hours and although he’s definitely better in himself, still no poop. He’s doing between 10-20 every time I bathe him, which is about every 3 hours (bar overnight, where he has one at midnight and one at 6am).

I’m booked to speak with the vet at 5.30pm but was wondering what causes there might be for pooing exclusively in a bum bath at this point?

Thanks!
 
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