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[claremw92]

i think I'm going to end up having to seperate these boys.... they just squabble like no ones bussiness.... I'm thinking newter one ASAP and put him in with my girlies once hes safe...

any ideas for peace keeping between them or should i just seperate them now....?

x

 

[AudioHeart]

What kind of squabbling is it?

My two teeth chatter/ nose off/ square up to one another (lunge and then have a popcorning fit)/ rumble strut/ hump etc. this is all normal, and seperating should only happen if blood is drawn. If the humping is excessive you could try putting a mesh divider in the cage for 15 mins just so they can have a rest from one another and cool down.

Another thing is to put plenty of hay down (pref. in two seperate racks at either end of the cage), three hideys with two exits so they cant bully one another into a corner, rearranging the cage can help and two of everything bowls/water bottles etc. If you can try making the cage bigger, boars seem to get along better in larger enviroments.

If you've done that already it might be an idea to try a bonding bath so they smell the same, and completely wash the cage/hutch and all the toys, bowls and other accessories.

I wouldnt suggest removing them for a long period of time as they have to start all over again with introductions, i know its hard to watch but just let them sort out the 'top pig' by rumblestrutting, mild teeth chattering, humping etc which can take upto an hour without a break, and this ritual of top pig might be tested everyday, depending on the pig. It also might be down to their age, as dominance displays and tests are usually very heated between 2 months to 14 months old after that boars usually calm down.

Oh and are they housed near the girls? If they can smell see or hear them it might be a disaster waiting to happen, boars rarely stay friends if females are about.

If you have tried this, and blood has been drawn it might be wise to seperate them now.

Ooo and have a read of this thread:

http://theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=28949

 

[claremw92]

thanks....
they cant see the girlies but they are in the same room....

theres teeth chattering... but EXTREMLY loud... like nothing ive ever heard... they do this thing where they both put there front legs on one of there toys and try to get there heads higher than the other...?!?!?
lots of nipping.... chasing.... no blood drawn (yet..?!?!?)
i've been waiting to see if it would calm down but no such luck yet...
maybe give it a little bit longer than....
x

 

[AudioHeart]

thanks....
they cant see the girlies but they are in the same room....

theres teeth chattering... but EXTREMLY loud... like nothing ive ever heard... they do this thing where they both put there front legs on one of there toys and try to get there heads higher than the other...?!?!?
lots of nipping.... chasing.... no blood drawn (yet..?!?!?)
i've been waiting to see if it would calm down but no such luck yet...
maybe give it a little bit longer than....
x

Ahhhh could you move the boys into a different room they ****. can smell them, oh my boys do that head thing, trying to get their head the highest in the air (the one who does is the boss) and they have been teeth chattering a lot lately, i also think its due to it being spring!

Give them a little why longer and if its still no better perhaps a split is for the best....

 

[claremw92]

thats it..... i've had to split up the boys...

they've had a massive fight today... which came out of nowhere.... they were all quiet... the all of a sudden all hell broke loose and poor little jaffa has had a big chunk of his ear dammaged....
:0
so i've set up thorns old cage... which is unfortunatly too small... i feel slightly guilty about this....but i cant get a new cage till tomorow...

oh god....

the problem i've got is marley is a very dominant piggie and my god he's a strong one aswell...!
poor little jaffa is as soft as they come...

so.... i think i'm going to get jaffa castated asap.... and then when hes safe put him in with the girlies....
as for marley, mayeb bore dating/get him a girlfriend... obv. after hes been castrated aswell....

do we think this is the way to go...?

or should i try them together once more.... if I'm honest with you I'm hesitant to put jaffa back...

he also has alot of healed wounds... ears and face etc.. from quite a while ago by the looks of them... i assumed mybe hed been attacked when he was a baby....but thinking about it... mayeb theyve been squabbling for a while...?!?!?

x

 

[mikulinek]

What kind of squabbling is it?

My two teeth chatter/ nose off/ square up to one another (lunge and then have a popcorning fit)/ rumble strut/ hump etc. this is all normal, and seperating should only happen if blood is drawn. If the humping is excessive you could try putting a mesh divider in the cage for 15 mins just so they can have a rest from one another and cool down.

Another thing is to put plenty of hay down (pref. in two seperate racks at either end of the cage), three hideys with two exits so they cant bully one another into a corner, rearranging the cage can help and two of everything bowls/water bottles etc. If you can try making the cage bigger, boars seem to get along better in larger enviroments.

If you've done that already it might be an idea to try a bonding bath so they smell the same, and completely wash the cage/hutch and all the toys, bowls and other accessories.

I wouldnt suggest removing them for a long period of time as they have to start all over again with introductions, i know its hard to watch but just let them sort out the 'top pig' by rumblestrutting, mild teeth chattering, humping etc which can take upto an hour without a break, and this ritual of top pig might be tested everyday, depending on the pig. It also might be down to their age, as dominance displays and tests are usually very heated between 2 months to 14 months old after that boars usually calm down.

Oh and are they housed near the girls? If they can smell see or hear them it might be a disaster waiting to happen, boars rarely stay friends if females are about.

If you have tried this, and blood has been drawn it might be wise to seperate them now.

Ooo and have a read of this thread:

http://theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=28949

Absolutely!

We are now trying to reintroduce our two after 6/7 months of separation. Neutering would always be my last resort and, while it means you can put him in with sows, it won't change his behaviour toward other boars.

 

[AudioHeart]

thats it..... i've had to split up the boys...

they've had a massive fight today... which came out of nowhere.... they were all quiet... the all of a sudden all hell broke loose and poor little jaffa has had a big chunk of his ear dammaged....
:0
so i've set up thorns old cage... which is unfortunatly too small... i feel slightly guilty about this....but i cant get a new cage till tomorow...

oh god....

the problem i've got is marley is a very dominant piggie and my god he's a strong one aswell...!
poor little jaffa is as soft as they come...

so.... i think i'm going to get jaffa castated asap.... and then when hes safe put him in with the girlies....
as for marley, mayeb bore dating/get him a girlfriend... obv. after hes been castrated aswell....

do we think this is the way to go...?

or should i try them together once more.... if I'm honest with you I'm hesitant to put jaffa back...

he also has alot of healed wounds... ears and face etc.. from quite a while ago by the looks of them... i assumed mybe hed been attacked when he was a baby....but thinking about it... mayeb theyve been squabbling for a while...?!?!?

x

I'd leave them seperated for a couple of months and introduce them slowly afterwards if this is something you'd want to do. Boars can be an uphill struggle sometimes, but if you feel happier, more comfortable and less stressed if your boys were neautered i'd go with the neutering.

 

[claremw92]

I'd leave them seperated for a couple of months and introduce them slowly afterwards if this is something you'd want to do. Boars can be an uphill struggle sometimes, but if you feel happier, more comfortable and less stressed if your boys were neautered i'd go with the neutering.

i think the problem was stupidity on my behalf... :red
i was offered... well more like forced tbf... these boys... it was my friends mom who couldnt care for them... (she has health problems) and she was begging me to take them out of fear of them going to a crap home after i spent ages telling her that rescues dont just home to anyone... well the reputable ones anyway... she begged me to take them on...
so i took on these boys... thinking they would be an easy addition to my lot... and i have no experience with boys(appart from oliver whos as soft as it comes...)... i did however read up on as much as i could... but i struggled to work out the fine line between fighting and showing off.... so i am struggling with these at the mo...

the newtering would be only in the case of putting them with girlies... because jaffas personality suits the girlies well... and i worrie that marley might be a bit too head stong for bore dating...

i must say i'm at a bit of a loss with these boys...

x

 

[claremw92]

fortunatly... ive managed to put the boys back together...
and its been peaceful since...

they were pining for eachother... so i let them out on the floor to see if they'd get along again... and so far so good...
yay...
x

 

[AudioHeart]

Ooo hope eveything keeps calm and quiet, typical boys! Hope they stay best buddies in the long run too