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Neutering a male

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Hi,
We were given two guinea pigs a few weeks ago from a friend, thinking they were both brothers. They were born along with with another 2 (females) on New Year’s Eve. Anyway I’m pretty sure one of them is actually female and I know at their age now that could mean trouble but we’ll have to deal with that if the inevitable has happened! Our friends have offered to take the unknown one back and replacing with a definite male but my kids have bonded with them both and so have they with each other so I’m reluctant to take one away completely. I’m planning on phoning our vets tomorrow to see if I can take them down and get her to actually sex them and speak to them regarding neutering Kevin if I’m definitely right in my predictions. I know I will have to keep them separate for a while but that is fine, I plan on allowing them supervised time together just so their bond doesn’t get affected. I was just wondering though how safe neutering a guinea pig actually is? They seem so small for such a procedure (we are first timers and are loving it), our vet is only a small animal vet so I’m confident in her ability just worried about putting him through it though we haven’t really got a choice if I want them to stay together. Appreciate any advice.
Thank you
 
Hi and welcome to the forum! I can't help you with your question, but I'm bumping up the post so it should get answered soon.
 
Hi and welcome!
Definitely a vet check is a good idea to confirm the sex and pregnancy status of your piggies. If you do have a boy and a girl then please separate them and let them live as next door neighbours with contact through the bars- mums come into season again within hours of giving birth and you dont want back-to-back pregnancies!
Getting your boy neutered is a good plan if you wish to keep them as a mixed sex pair after his 6-week post-op wait. Another option some people in this situation can take is separate mum and dad and hope the babies, if you have a pregnancy, will be a boy to live with dad and a girl or two to live with mum.
Neutering is usually very safe if performed by a competent experienced vet- of course there are some risks from anaesthesia and risks of post-op complications like abscesses, but the risks are very low nowadays, neutering a boy is a very quick and minimally invasive operation that many of us have opted for, and the lifelong rewards for a little boar of being able to live with ladies are usually well worth the risks :)
 
Their testicals often don't decend until about 4 months old, so this it often the youngest my vet will neuter. There are risks as with all operations but with the right vet this is much safer than it used to be and is minimally invasive for the males.
 
Hi,
We were given two guinea pigs a few weeks ago from a friend, thinking they were both brothers. They were born along with with another 2 (females) on New Year’s Eve. Anyway I’m pretty sure one of them is actually female and I know at their age now that could mean trouble but we’ll have to deal with that if the inevitable has happened! Our friends have offered to take the unknown one back and replacing with a definite male but my kids have bonded with them both and so have they with each other so I’m reluctant to take one away completely. I’m planning on phoning our vets tomorrow to see if I can take them down and get her to actually sex them and speak to them regarding neutering Kevin if I’m definitely right in my predictions. I know I will have to keep them separate for a while but that is fine, I plan on allowing them supervised time together just so their bond doesn’t get affected. I was just wondering though how safe neutering a guinea pig actually is? They seem so small for such a procedure (we are first timers and are loving it), our vet is only a small animal vet so I’m confident in her ability just worried about putting him through it though we haven’t really got a choice if I want them to stay together. Appreciate any advice.
Thank you

Hi and welcome

Could you please post preferably clear and day lit pictures of the genitalia in order to make sure that you have got the genders right, please? Sexing sub-adult piggies, and especially babies just from the outward appearance of the genitalia can be confusing and is sadly leading to a lot of mis-sexing. There is a hands-on component to every sexing process, which means double-checking a couple of less obvious but much more gender specific areas. This is unfortunately not something we cannot do via the screen but always do with any piggies we sex in person. However, learning how to sex piggies properly without ever having to rely on other people is not the worst life skill to acquire!
Here is our illustrated sexing guide, which includes pictures of the critical area where you look and in one case feel: Illustrated Sexing Guide

A vet check is also not a bad idea. Do you have access to a piggy savvy vet as general vets that don't have a lot of experience with piggies may not have the necessary experience?

Your babies are still too young for a ca. 10 week pregnancy to show (the earliest a sow of yours give birth would be at 14-16 weeks of age) or for the testicles starting to descend.
Please keep in mind that piggies of both genders use mounting as a mildly dominant socially interactive behaviour in their strictly hierarchical society. Here is more illustrated information on social interactive behaviours and dynamics:
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics
Dominance Behaviours In Guinea Pigs

If you really have a mis-sexed pair, then you will have to factor in a full 6 weeks post-op safety wait. The little baby in my avatar is the surprise daughter of a supposedly safe over 5 weeks post-op boar (not one of mine), just to point out that can really happen as late as that!
Here is our comprehensive neutering information: Neutered / De-sexed Boars And Neutering Operations: Myths, Facts and Post-op Care

Please be aware that you are very likely dealing with a pregnancy in this case; boars start making babies from 3 weeks of age and sows come into season for the first time from 4-6 weeks.
Please open an ongoing specially monitored thread that will accompany you throughout the whole process until any male babies are correctly sexed and safely separated at 3 weeks/250g of weight (whichever comes first). Because we are a strictly no intentional breeding forum, our pregnancy section is only visible once you have registered and accepted our very specific forum rules on this subject.
Here is the link to our comprehensive pregnancy, birth mother and baby care information, which we have specifically written for inexperienced owners faced with an unplanned pregnancy and which is as practical and step-by-step as we ccan make it to guide you through the whole period. Best bookmark this and use as your reference along the way: Pregnancy & Baby Care Guide's

Unfortunately, guinea pigs don't do play dates. They only do full-on bonding/re-bonding sessions which are more upsetting for them when they are constantly interrupted than a clean separation with living alongside and safe round the clock interaction through the bars. This means that your piggies have to go through the pain only once but can still keep their bond alive and have the constant stimulation and interaction that they need for their wellbeing. Ideally you keep your boy in a traditional cage he cannot get out of. Boars can be very athletic and incredible determined when it comes to getting at sows!
The bar biting will settle down after a day or two, but you need to stay hard during the initial time.

PS: You may also find our New Owners guide collection for all the areas we get the most questions and concerns about as a helpful resource and worth bookmarking. The guide format allows us to keep our information updated.
Here is the link: Getting Started - New Owners' Most Helpful Guides
 
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Thank you very much for the replies and information. I took them to the vets today and they have confirmed as I thought our little Bob is indeed a girl. They were contacting their small exotic animal vet to ask about neutering Kevin and about finding out whether our girl is already pregnant so we are now awaiting their call back. Both Piggies are now separated with mesh in their cage and we plan on allowing them supervised contact in the kitchen until Kevin can have his operation and they can be properly rebonded again and if we’re going to be expecting babies then we’ll have to deal with that when it happens. Thank you again and I’m sure I’ll be posting again for some more advice.
 
Thank you very much for the replies and information. I took them to the vets today and they have confirmed as I thought our little Bob is indeed a girl. They were contacting their small exotic animal vet to ask about neutering Kevin and about finding out whether our girl is already pregnant so we are now awaiting their call back. Both Piggies are now separated with mesh in their cage and we plan on allowing them supervised contact in the kitchen until Kevin can have his operation and they can be properly rebonded again and if we’re going to be expecting babies then we’ll have to deal with that when it happens. Thank you again and I’m sure I’ll be posting again for some more advice.

Please do NOT conduct any supervised meetings - they are every frustrating and heart-breaking for the piggies! You are NOT doing them any favour whatsoever.
There is also a small chance that Bob (I guess you want to call her Bobby from now?) is not pregnant. In that case, impregnation takes literally only seconds and is so fast that you cannot intervene. Boars have hooks at the tip of their penises to keep connected with the sows until the deed is done; you can damage that by ripping them apart. It is really not worth it - especially not potentially putting Bobby's life at risk in case she isn't pregnant just for a your human concept of playtime.

Unfortunately it is still too early to tell as any embryos will be too small; vets looking for signs of babies often mistake inner organs for them. We have had quite a few of these cases on here.

The best thing you can do is good care and a good grass hay based diet; the normal hay should still make over 80%. We haven't seen any difference in surprise births from pit shop pregnant teenage sows and in known pregnancies on good care; key that Bobby is getting a normal good diet with a wide range of nutrients but not a grossly overladen one which is counterproductive. Please refrain from overfeeding on veg and especially pellets. The extra amounts are minute in view of the size of piggies and the last thing you want is risking large babies and birthing complications. You are aiming at ideal sized babies.

As to neutering Kevin: If Bobby is pregnant, please consider that she won't likely only have girls. Kevin will have to take over bringing up any separated sons over 3 weeks so they are properly socialised and have a guardian during the school weeks between nursing and teenage. Kevin may also end up filling in to make up boar pairs (boar trios and quartets have very high fall-out rate once the boys hit the hormonal teenage months) and not live back with Bobby.
 
Thank you really appreciate your advice. I shall keep them completely separate then from now on, apart from the bar obviously between them in the cage. They are both eating and drinking fine so I assume aren’t too distressed. I really hoped this was going to be easy taking these two on but sometimes things just never go the way you expect. I’ll do a lot more research here it’s a very informative site and I’m so grateful I found it. Thank you so much!
 
Thank you really appreciate your advice. I shall keep them completely separate then from now on, apart from the bar obviously between them in the cage. They are both eating and drinking fine so I assume aren’t too distressed. I really hoped this was going to be easy taking these two on but sometimes things just never go the way you expect. I’ll do a lot more research here it’s a very informative site and I’m so grateful I found it. Thank you so much!

Please open an ongoing support thread for Bobby in our Pregnancy section, which is specially monitored by me and some experienced rescue fosterers. The thread will accompany you through the whole period for as long as it takes and is there for any questions, concerns and updates of yours along the way. Keeping all the information on one case together helps us in both the pregnancy and the equally specially monitored Health/Illness section to refer back and to support you as effectively as we can in your specific situation for longer periods.
It would help us greatly if you please added your country, state/province or UK county or city to location in your account details (accessed by clicking on your username on the top bar). this makes it appear with every post you make and helps us enormously in tailoring any advice to what is relevant and available where you are straight away. Keep in mind that we have members and enquiries from all over the world, so climate, general background, vet and rescue access, brand names (including medical ones) etc. can all differ massively but play into our considerations. We jump a lot between threads every day; anything that helps us to refresh our memories over longer periods is welcome!

It would be good if you opened a support thread, as a good diet is the best preparation for Bobby during her pregnancy watch.
We have got comprehensive practical step-by-step pregnancy, birth, mother and baby care advice for owners without experience that are faced with the potential of a pregnancy or surprise babies. Our guides make a good resource you can refer back to along the way if you bookmark them but they may not necessarily answer all your questions or they may raise new questions, so opening a support thread while you are in effect going through a 10 week pregnancy watch with Bobby would be helpful for you! ;)
Pregnancy, Mother & Baby Care Guides
 
I thought I would update as it’s been quite a while now since I’ve been on here. We have been very lucky in that our little Bobbette (as the kids named her after the mis-sexing) wasn’t pregnant. They are both still kept separated in the same cage as at present with the lockdown I can’t get Kevin neutered. They both seem happy enough but it will be so nice when I can finally have them living happily together again. We’ve got a certain routine for giving them outdoor time too now whereby Kevin will go into their outdoor run and Bobbette is set up next to him using the top of their indoor cage so they can be right next to each other but with mesh again in between. It’s a real pain but at least it keeps them relatively happy until the nasty deed can be done with Kevin, the sooner the better though. Thank you again for all your advice, it really was very appreciated.
 
I thought I would update as it’s been quite a while now since I’ve been on here. We have been very lucky in that our little Bobbette (as the kids named her after the mis-sexing) wasn’t pregnant. They are both still kept separated in the same cage as at present with the lockdown I can’t get Kevin neutered. They both seem happy enough but it will be so nice when I can finally have them living happily together again. We’ve got a certain routine for giving them outdoor time too now whereby Kevin will go into their outdoor run and Bobbette is set up next to him using the top of their indoor cage so they can be right next to each other but with mesh again in between. It’s a real pain but at least it keeps them relatively happy until the nasty deed can be done with Kevin, the sooner the better though. Thank you again for all your advice, it really was very appreciated.

Thank you very much for the update!

Glad that Bobbette has had a lucky escape but very sorry about the bad timing!
 
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