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Neglectful situation

Chonkerz

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Been made aware of a neglectful situation and it’s making me feel so bad 😞

Another girl on my course (18) at uni moved in with her boyfriend (23) who had guinea pigs. Initially we just bonded over how cute we thought they were but it soon became apparent they didn’t really know a lot about them when she was shocked I was giving them hay and veggies everyday. I explained to her why they need hay and veggies everyday and sent her a few YouTube videos and then a link to the guinea pig forums to allow her to search for any info herself.

I left it at that, not wanting to be over bearing. She came in the next week or so and told me she’d been feeding them differently and they really seemed to be enjoying it. I was happy she’d taken on my advice and she said that she never even knew but was glad I’d told her. However, then she told me one of her guinea pigs had something wrong with his nails.

She told me they looked like pellets were mushed on them so I asked her to send a picture when she was home so I could see. It was definitely poo but I could only see one paw with the way she took the picture so I showed her how to lift them and hold them up so I could get a better look. She sent me a video and all 4 of his paws had nails encased with poo. She had told me they’d been cut only a month before so this was a new issue and I was unsure how it had got so bad. I advised her to soak them in lukewarm water and then rub gently with coconut oil once it had soften to hopefully break it up.

Again I left it at that and she came in yesterday telling me she had tried soaking him but it didn’t work. She agreed that it was poo because the water was getting dirty but she was too afraid to ‘pick at his nails’. I suggested that if she was too nervous she could try again over a couple of nights to soften it over a gradual period and then wiping wouldn’t need to be so harsh. We began speaking on the subject of cages and out of curiosity I asked how often they cleaned their cage.

She hesitated and I offered ‘once a week? Every two weeks?’ To which she replied that they hadn’t cleaned the cage since they moved into their flat which was just more than two months ago. She said ‘it sounds abusive when I say it like that’ and started telling me her boyfriend was the one who dealt with cleaning and kept putting it off, reasoning that they were ‘scavengers’ and didn’t need it. I informed her that if that was the case, her boyfriend IS abusing them in a way since they are being forced to live in unhygienic conditions and unlike these wild scavenger guinea pigs he’s thinking of, they can’t escape the cage they’re in to move to a clean area.

I asked if they would consider giving them up if they can’t keep up with the upkeep of them and she said no, there was no way she could do that. So I told her that if they didn’t have a clean cage they would end up getting sick and costing more money in vet bills. She panicked at this and said I was scaring her. She insisted that she would pick up the slack and get the woodchip to clean it herself. After talking to her though it seems like her boyfriend is treating her like a fool, borrowing money, skipping on his half of rent, making her do the chores etc. So I really feel the pigs are suffering as a last priority and she doesn’t have time for them while he’s making her do everything else.

Obviously I can only give advice so I left it at that but I feel so burdened now by the knowledge that these poor pigs are in a tiny pet shop cage, sitting on piles of poo and pee with dirty surroundings. She even said their food bowls had pee in them. I was trying to be understanding because she was really being open with me admitting all this and asking for help but she didn’t tell me the full story to begin with. I know they’re her boyfriends pigs but she’s become a bystander to abuse and now so have I.
 
It’s a tricky one isn’t it? It’s good that she’s talking to you about them. She obviously knows things are not ideal. Could you take them on? Or convince her to talk to him about surrendering them to a rescue. If not you could always call the RSPCA for advice. Good luck.
 
This is such a sad situation and I understand how terrible you must feel and what a dilemma you’re in. I agree with @weepweeps . You are doing a great job trying to educate these people and hopefully they will take your advice on board. If I was in this situation I would keep
enquiring about the piggies on a regular basis and continue to offer advice. I would definitely seek advice from the RSPCA

Good luck and remember we are here to support you
 
What a dreadful situation those poor piggies are in. Good on you for taking the time to try and educate this lady. I would try and gain her trust, befriend and encourage her to clean them out. Could you perhaps arrange to call in for a coffee (when he’s not around) and perhaps you could show her how to do it and see how committed towards them she is. Her boyfriend doesn’t sound nice, but these types are often quite happy to use the animals as a hold/leverage to manipulate people, bare in mind she may well be under his thumb and she may be quite powerless or even take his side in the end. Ideally she needs to kick him out or leave and take the piggies with her!
 
It’s a tricky one isn’t it? It’s good that she’s talking to you about them. She obviously knows things are not ideal. Could you take them on? Or convince her to talk to him about surrendering them to a rescue. If not you could always call the RSPCA for advice. Good luck.
I unfortunately can't take them on as I already have 4 pigs of my own. I did mention maybe giving them up but she was adamant that she would take on the responsibility if he didn't. Regardless if she takes them on though, she's only 18 and he's 23. They've been together like 9 months and have been living together for 2. As pessimistic as it sounds, if they break up and she's taken on their care she might end up feeling responsible and then suddenly she has two pets in tow that weren't hers to begin with. As much as I'm worried about the pigs, the full situation seems sketchy :( I think phoning the rspca is a good idea, I'll give it a go. I'm reluctant to report her because she would know it was me and I don't want her to lose trust if I'm the only person she's told.
 
What a dreadful situation those poor piggies are in. Good on you for taking the time to try and educate this lady. I would try and gain her trust, befriend and encourage her to clean them out. Could you perhaps arrange to call in for a coffee (when he’s not around) and perhaps you could show her how to do it and see how committed towards them she is. Her boyfriend doesn’t sound nice, but these types are often quite happy to use the animals as a hold/leverage to manipulate people, bare in mind she may well be under his thumb and she may be quite powerless or even take his side in the end. Ideally she needs to kick him out or leave and take the piggies with her!
I thought we would have been friends and we've been speaking a lot but she's talking about working from home for uni now. We are at art school so this is doable, it's positive because she would maybe find it easier to manage time wise with the pigs but I feel like she'll end up isolating herself in that situation. I am worried he is manipulating her as a he's not being paying fairly towards the bills, borrowing money and going into overdraft that she ends up paying off. She has said before he's quite controlling and jealous so I'm worried that if I met him he might end up being dangerous or that he would turn her against me. I've asked her not to mention me if she tries to speak with him. I'm just worried for her overall ;--; I posted on a Facebook group I'm in for pigs too and some people are suggesting I should pay for her supplies if I have an issue with it. I don't want to get involved financially though or feel like I'm telling her what to do as orders.
 
This is such a sad situation and I understand how terrible you must feel and what a dilemma you’re in. I agree with @weepweeps . You are doing a great job trying to educate these people and hopefully they will take your advice on board. If I was in this situation I would keep
enquiring about the piggies on a regular basis and continue to offer advice. I would definitely seek advice from the RSPCA

Good luck and remember we are here to support you
Thank you. She took my advice about the food so I'll wait and see if I get more updates. It just dawned on me yesterday when she explained about the cleaning how I've gotten involved and there's nothing else I can do than hear about it from the outside.
 
It sounds like you've done really well getting advice across to her so far. It's definitely not your responsibility to pay for anything. I've phoned the RSPCA about someone beating a dog, and the woman I spoke to was fantastic, emotionally supportive to me in my distress, and mindful of my safety, as well as caring about the dog. Many years ago I stayed at a friend's flat and saw that her flatmate's gerbils, one was skeletal and one was dead and half eaten. I just took the cage and handed to RSPCA, and annoyed my friend, but never regretted it. I'd agree with others about phoning RSPCA.
I think the young woman becoming confident enough to avoid partners who treat her this way is a longer, perhaps lifelong process, whereas encouraging her to clean the piggies out more often, is probably quite good to happen soon as pos.
Whatever happens you've really improved their food situation, which is great.
 
I thought we would have been friends and we've been speaking a lot but she's talking about working from home for uni now. We are at art school so this is doable, it's positive because she would maybe find it easier to manage time wise with the pigs but I feel like she'll end up isolating herself in that situation. I am worried he is manipulating her as a he's not being paying fairly towards the bills, borrowing money and going into overdraft that she ends up paying off. She has said before he's quite controlling and jealous so I'm worried that if I met him he might end up being dangerous or that he would turn her against me. I've asked her not to mention me if she tries to speak with him. I'm just worried for her overall ;--; I posted on a Facebook group I'm in for pigs too and some people are suggesting I should pay for her supplies if I have an issue with it. I don't want to get involved financially though or feel like I'm telling her what to do as orders.
Don’t get involved financially as it will end up you paying full time. This man sounds horrid, I’ve met plenty of these types in my 60 odd years and they are users. They don’t care about anyone but themselves. He won’t care about her never mind the piggies. If you do visit her you could take an odd packet of hay but don’t commit to paying for them as he will start manipulating you too through the piggies. She would be better off without him but she probably is being brainwashed, she won’t realise just how much, only people looking in do. It’s such a shame that these poor piggies are caught up in this situation. Is there any chance he would give them up, he may be prepared to for a small payment if he‘s always after money?

If he did? is there a rescue who could take them in as an emergency?
 
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