Neem toothpaste - has anyone used it?

[furryfriends (TEAS)]

Permanent Sanctuary resident, Jerry, has ongoing ulceration in his mouth, due to how his teeth grow. After doing some research I have found an article by Gorgeous Guineas regarding this product and how successful it can be. Normally I wouldn't use things like this, but right now I am desperate and need to get Jerry some help soon, or we are going to have to consider whether his quality of life is still good.

 

[Amanda1801]

Where are his ulcers exactly?

I've seen this stuff and my reaction was "what's the point?!" why exactly do guinea pigs need toothpaste?!

That being said however,, Big Dave had a scabby lip since the day I got him. Not Chelitis or anything, just a permanent scan on his lip, looks like he bit it and kept biting it, so it kept scabbing over almost. 2 years later, When he went off to Claire in wales to board for a week, I mentioned it, told her it had always been there. When I picked him up a week later, it had gone! She'd been putting the (then called) foot and mouth ointment on it, and it's been gone ever since!

 

[furryfriends (TEAS)]

The ulceration is on his left cheek. Unfortunately his teeth are so displaced that they grow out of the gum and straight towards the cheek. Even weekly dentals aren't keeping the ulceration at bay at the moment. We do feel that if Jerry would start to eat a little for himself, it could help how the teeth grow, but while he is experiencing pain from the ulceration he isn't going to try to eat. That's really interesting what you say about Big Dave. I am thinking that there is nothing to lose, bar the price of the toothpaste, by giving it a go.

 

[Amanda1801]

What pain relief have you tried?

 

[furryfriends (TEAS)]

Metacam twice a day,

 

[Amanda1801]

Metacam twice a day,

Just wondering if something stronger like tramadol or vetergesic straight after a dental may be beneficial?

 

[furryfriends (TEAS)]

He doesn't struggle to take syringe food at any point but it's just the fact that he is never willing to even try to eat. If I push finely chopped veg into his mouth he can eat it. I think if we could just get rid of this ulceration or reduce it significantly we would be in with a chance of getting him eating for himself. I've never used tramadol but find vetergesic, although very good at dealing with pain, tends to make them very flat and uninterested. I just can't bear the thought of him being in constant pain. I know how awful ulceration due to a tooth rubbing can be, having had it myself.

 

[Amanda1801]

I guess now its a case of him associating food with pain?

 

[furryfriends (TEAS)]

I guess now its a case of him associating food with pain?

Sadly I think that is the case. I am hoping that if I can find something to help with the ulceration and by adding finely chopped veggies and grass to his syringe food, I can give him the chance to eat painfree. As much as it would break my heart to let him go, I would rather do that than let him live an unhappy life.

The ethos of the Sanctuary is to extend good quality life, but never to prolong death.

 

[furryfriends (TEAS)]

Just ordered some!

 

[helen105281]

Have you thought of trying Antepsin Suspension, The lady I help at guinea pig clinic has used it on one of her late pigs and on herself too. The dose would be as many times a day as is possible, just liberally apply around the oral mucosa of the mouth with Q-Tip, best advised 30 minutes prior to syringe feeding, combine this with a pea sized blob of Bonjela Cool for adults, which has a mild numbing effect, this could help the little pig feel more comfortable.

Maybe something to run past Simon?

http://pets21-mari.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/antepsin-suspension.html

http://mcs.open.ac.uk/nlg/old_proje.../Antepsin_Suspension/Antepsin_Suspension.html

 

[furryfriends (TEAS)]

Have you thought of trying Antepsin Suspension, The lady I help at guinea pig clinic has used it on one of her late pigs and on herself too. The dose would be as many times a day as is possible, just liberally apply around the oral mucosa of the mouth with Q-Tip, best advised 30 minutes prior to syringe feeding, combine this with a pea sized blob of Bonjela Cool for adults, which has a mild numbing effect, this could help the little pig feel more comfortable.

Maybe something to run past Simon?

http://pets21-mari.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/antepsin-suspension.html

http://mcs.open.ac.uk/nlg/old_proje.../Antepsin_Suspension/Antepsin_Suspension.html

Thank you Helen, will definitely run this by Simon. Anything that is going to help this special little guy is defnitely worth a go.

 

[*Nibbles&Nugget*]

Oh poor baby. I hope you can sort something out to make him more comfortable. Give him cuddles from me.

Amy
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[Abi_nurse]

Antepsin is a gut protectant and we often use it for gut ulceration (and in extreme cases oral ulceration). It would be worth a try. Other similar product they may be useful are substances such as maalox, this is very similar to antepsin.

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[furryfriends (TEAS)]

Have you thought of trying Antepsin Suspension, The lady I help at guinea pig clinic has used it on one of her late pigs and on herself too. The dose would be as many times a day as is possible, just liberally apply around the oral mucosa of the mouth with Q-Tip, best advised 30 minutes prior to syringe feeding, combine this with a pea sized blob of Bonjela Cool for adults, which has a mild numbing effect, this could help the little pig feel more comfortable.

Maybe something to run past Simon?


http://pets21-mari.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/antepsin-suspension.html

http://mcs.open.ac.uk/nlg/old_proje.../Antepsin_Suspension/Antepsin_Suspension.html

I've run this one by Simon and he says that this can prevent absorption of certain drugs making them less effective. Therefore as Jerry is currently on Zithromax as we suspect there may be a tooth root abscess brewing, we are going to refrain from using it at the moment, and will try the neem toothpaste first.