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Mystery Poop and Unwell Piggy

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*** Hello lovely piggy people - just a warning in case anyone's eating or such: poop pictures ahead! ***

We are worried and very confused about our 2 year old female guinea pigs mystery poops. We have tried to read about anything similar everywhere, but unfortunately still clueless, so hoping someone here might have any advice?

Long story short, we adopted our little Luma back in December, and unfortunately due to the COVID-19 situation she has not been to a vet with us for any general checkups, as we live in Wales and have no cavy-savvy vets nearby. (After learning the hard way with another piggy, we now only make trips to Northampton to see Simon Maddock at the Cat and Rabbit Clinic).

All three of our piggies have sensitive tummies to too much/particular veg, so we stay on the side of caution with around 30g of veg per piggy per day, with no brocolli, celery or green beans as we have had tummy upsets in the past with those. They of course have unlimited hay (timothy and meadow mix), with a tablespoon per piggy of Burgess pellets each day. They also haven't had any access to grass recently.

But this time, Luma's "bad" poops are very different: we have attached pictures below (hopefully they have attached properly!) and they mostly only happen at night (during the day she does "normal" ones). The abnormal night poops look like her normal poops, but with a soft, squishy green layer around them. These have been happening for around a week: we took her off veg straight away, have been giving probiotics in the water, and we have been weighing daily with no major change (@1040g). She is mostly acting herself (still eating, drinking, popcorning on floor time).
We noticed around 3 days ago that her belly looked a bit bigger and was harder to the touch, so after reading other posts on this forum as we were worried about bloat, we have been giving 2ml of gripe water a few times a day, with belly massages using an electric toothbrush. We have also given her poop soup (from her healthy sister Winnie) as that worked wonders when the piggies have had upset tummies before!

Unfortunately, whilst her tummy has "deflated" a little since we started the gripe water and massages, the mystery nighttime poops have stayed.
We were really just wondering if anyone had seen these types of poop before and have any suggestions of how we can help her whilst we try and figure out how to get her to the vets with the Covid-19 lockdown still continuing in Wales. We have Critical Care to hand and Fibreplex on the way just in case she takes a turn for the worse however, at the moment she is maintaining her weight and still eating her hay, pellets and drinking water thankfully!

We were wondering if these weird poops could be caecotrophs that Luma isn't eating for some reason? However, we didn't want to make them into poop soup and re-feed them to her if we were wrong!

Any help or information would be greatly appreciated and sorry for the long post, we just wanted to make sure we had provided as much information as possible.

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Hi,
I’m afraid I can’t help with the poops but is it possible that you can email the vets in Northampton that you would normally go to with pictures of the poops and then they could offer you some advice as I appreciate due to the restrictions in Wales you obviously can’t get to Northampton but they may be able to offer some sort of advice via email?
 
Think the poos are definitely suggesting that there is something going on gut wise here.

The ones in the last pic are very similar to what I’ve noted in my boys in the past when they’ve had tummy upsets/ are recovering from them. But the other two I can’t really comment on...wouldn’t say any are suggesting she’s dehydrated, or that she isn’t getting enough food in.

Certainly do try and get in touch via email. I can’t speak for all vet practices, but I know my one is still watching emails in particular closely at this time as not everyone realises we are open or is able to get to us. If not, could you even call and just explain? They might even request you send pics or give you a better means of contact?
 
Hi, my boy has had poop like that in the past with a swollen tummy. Looks like something is upsetting her. I did the usual of taking him off veggies and slowly introducing it back one at a time into his diet after a couple of days. I'm pretty sure it was cucumber that was upsetting his stomach and he hasn't done any poops like that for a long while.
 
Thank you all very much for your replies - we really appreciate your responses!

@Freya1234 - that is a really good idea, we will definitely try emailing them first thing tomorrow. It really does suck with the circumstances, but fingers crossed as you said they can at least give us some advice!

@Siikibam - we were completely stumped by the poops too - thank you for linking that thread, we will be sure to follow the advice on there closely as we know bloat can be very serious. Depending on how it goes with emailing the Northampton vets tomorrow we will keep in mind those other vets as options, as wherever we go will be a journey - so thanks again.

@Jesse's pigs - what you have said is very helpful and reassuring, so yes hopefully we can reach out to them and get some advice...or better yet some answers to solve the mystery variety of poops! We are very glad the poops don't look dehydrated or lacking food, thankfully she is still eating lots of hay and drinking (and we are really hoping it stays that way until we can get her some help!).

@daveclark79 - we are glad to hear that your piggy's tummy got better after being taken off veg - it's weird which veggies set them off sometimes. It's also reassuring to hear someone has seen these mystery poops before! Sadly she has been off of veggies for a week now and nothing has changed much, but we will keep an eye on cucumber when we slowly reintroduce veggies to her.
 
I would phone rather than email them. Or email them tonight then call early tomorrow.
 
Hi again, did you change to a different hay or different pellets around the time this started by any chance?
 
@Siikibam - we sent the email last night so fingers crossed they will be able to read through it and give us a reply soon! If not, we will be calling in and arranging how to get her to a cavy savvy vet by tomorrow.

@daveclark79 - Hello, no we haven't changed our piggies' pellets or hay in a long time now (the last time was roughly 2 months ago when switched to a Hay Box subscription).

Luma has been weighed again and she is now at 1050g (10g gain), still eating lots of hay and drinking thankfully! We checked on her throughout the night and she passed a pile (about 10) of the weird poops at around 4am but that was about it. We will keep you updated on how Luma is and what the vets say. Thank you all very much for your replies and support, it's very comforting to know there are people out there to talk to!
 
Hello again everyone, we just wanted to give an update to this ongoing mystery!

We had a telephone appointment with a vet from the Cat and Rabbit Clinic today, and we were relieved to hear that as Luma is still eating and maintaining weight, the poops are not an immediate worry or emergency (phew!).
They said the strange poops is an interesting case with no certain answer from just photos and a phone consultation - may be something going on with her gut that is having an issue deciding which poops are caecotrophs versus second-time-round poop pellets.
For now they recommended we give Luma Fibreplex and closely monitor her behaviour for further signs of pain (hunching up or more fluffing up of her fur).

We are staying in contact with the clinic via phone and email, however if Luma does take a turn for the worse we will be prepared to drive over from Wales (staying careful and socially distanced) with an email from them explaining the circumstances, should we get stopped at the border!
Otherwise, the vet mentioned if it is a problem with her gut caecotroph mechanisms and she stays as she is, it may just have to be the "new normal" for Luma, as there is no treatment if there are no other underlying problems.

So fingers crossed Luma will stay as she is with her weight and appetite and maybe we will get more certain answers when we are able to take her to the vets in the near future - or better yet she will just stop the strange poops with the Fibreplex!
 
Hi, don’t take my advice seriously because I don’t have much experience in guinea pigs, but if your guinea pig isn’t the right weight because her stomach deflated, I think she might get a rectal prolapse. This means that she might poop out her intestines, you should inspect her bottom every day and see if there is anything big and bloody coming out, if there is, immediately see the vet. Btw, it probably isn’t a rectal prolapse but you should still keep a close watch. Best of luck!
 
Hi, don’t take my advice seriously because I don’t have much experience in guinea pigs, but if your guinea pig isn’t the right weight because her stomach deflated, I think she might get a rectal prolapse. This means that she might poop out her intestines, you should inspect her bottom every day and see if there is anything big and bloody coming out, if there is, immediately see the vet. Btw, it probably isn’t a rectal prolapse but you should still keep a close watch. Best of luck!

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Hello everyone, we hope you have been keeping safe and well! Sorry to bump this up the forum again but we wanted to give an update on Luma’s condition in case it comes in handy for anyone having a similar issue in the future with their piggies.
Since our last post, we started Luna on Fibreplex (1ml, 3 x a day), kept her on poop soup (twice a day) and gripe water (2ml twice a day) and have kept her off any veggies. Her weight fluctuated by 30 grams but stayed around 1010g - 1040g and she was eating and drinking well! Unfortunately, we were still worried as her fur was very puffed around her head and along some of her body. In addition to this, her weird green poops had stopped but she now had more mucus tipped ones.

On Tuesday we decided that she wasn’t getting any better and that it was time to book in a visit to the Cat and Rabbit Clinic in Northampton with Kim or Simon to see what was going on! The clinic were absolutely amazing and booked us in with an emergency appointment the next day and provided us with a letter to explain why we were crossing the Welsh border to get into England in case we were stopped. So after a long travel overnight (phew!) we have finally got some potential answers after the appointment.


Kim examined Luma and said that she wasn’t in a critical state and her teeth, head, eyes, and most of her body were in perfect condition! However, her cecum felt a bit puffy and swollen which might be where all of the trouble has been coming from. This might have also been giving Luma episodic muscle spasms and bloat which has been causing her pain and why she has looked more puffed up at different times throughout the day (think of guinea pig tummy cramps 😢). So Luma has been prescribed Cisipride, Emeprid and Metacam to help with her gut and pain to see if that will hopefully get her digestive tract back on track!

Kim also said we should continue with the Fibreplex to give Luma a little bit of a gut boost and that we can also continue with the gripe water if it has been helping her. We are now keeping an eye on her for a couple of weeks to see if her poops go back to normal and the puffing goes away as well. If not, the next step would be to send off Luma’s poops for faecal analysis to see if it is being caused by any bad bacteria, etc.
Luma has been taking her medicine so well considering the amount! She really is a sweetheart ❤️ Luma says thank you all for your support and comments!

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I’m glad your finally getting some answers, the pigs and I are wishing Luma a full recovery.
 
Kim and Simon are very good! I would recommend any one with a problem that their own vet can't sort to go and see them.
 
Hoping 🤞🏾 Luma will start to get better now. Continue taking your meds like a good girl 😘

PS she looks like my Toffee.
 
@Freya1234 - It is definitely a relief that she has been seen by the vets now! Thank you and we will keep our fingers crossed for her recovery too 🤞

@Betsy - we definitely agree, Kim and Simon are so lovely and are amazing with the piggies! We definitely go straight to them now if anything happens with our little herd :D

@Siikibam - Thank you very much! We are definitely hoping that the medicine will help her ☺ and awwww she really does look like Toffee! Your Toffee is absolutely adorable ❤
 
Hello yet again everyone, we just wanted to post another (maybe final?) quick update to Luma's poop saga!

Unfortunately, after trying the medications for a few weeks, Luma's poops were still strange and she was still very puffed up most of the time, so we decided to go ahead and pay for a faecal test. We recently received the results, which came back clear! So with any nasty bacteria or such ruled out as the cause of her symptoms, without an invasive biopsy or anything like that, we are for the forseeable future now just supporting her gut and managing her pain with Metacam and 2 gut stimulants.
(Sadly for her this means no veggies at least for a long time, so whilst not ideal, the vet advised as long as she has good hay and Vitamin C in her pellets, plus we give Vit. C and probiotics in her water, she will be alright without veggies :().

She might be on life-long medication now as the vet suggested that she might have life-long chronic gut inflammation due to one offset in her tummy... however, we have no idea what caused this offset or what is truly going on. We have decided against making Luma go through an extremely invasive gut biopsy as it could do her more harm than good and at the moment she is still not losing weight, still eating very well and running about like before! So we are now just focusing on pain management for her and taking it one step at a time ❤
 
Sorry you didn’t find anything concrete as to the cause of her unwellness. Hopefully one day she will improve and be able to munch on those veg again.

Be careful about putting vitamin c in water (do you mean a bottle) - they can stop drinking it if there is a slight taste change.

Get better Luma 😘
 
@Siikibam - Thank you for wishing Luma well, yeah exactly - we were thankful for clear test results on one hand, but still concerned we didn't know what was wrong with her on the other!
And thank you for the warning, luckily we have been using the Pro-C for a while (yes in their bottle) and all three piggies actually seem to drink more when it's in there than when it's back to plain water at night (Pro-C during the day)! :D
 
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