My boys are fighting! Can someone pls hlp?

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Hi,

I’m wondering if anyone can help me with a bad situation I’m having with my guinea pigs at the moment as I am so worried?...sorry if I go on a lot, I’m just really upset about it and chewed to bits! I have 3 male guinea pigs Max, Bradley and Bobby and everything has been great up until about 2 months ago. I’ve had Max and Bradley since February 2010 and they get on great! Bradley is the dominant one and Max has never been interested in being the boss so it worked out great….then along came Bobby which has set off loads of strange behaviours! I had read that it was fine to add a baby boy pig into a pen with 2 male adults and everything did seem fine at first….we got him in February this year and Bradley just loved him, but shortly after started to act strange with Max! At first he wouldn’t let Max anywhere near Bobby and would teeth chatter at him a lot and sometimes he wouldn’t let him off his snug to even eat….it just had to be him and Bobby alone all of the time. Eventually this stopped and everything seemed great and all of them were getting along fine, until it all switched and Bobby ‘this little dot of a guinea pig’ decided to turn against Bradley and favour Max. Now Bobby is going for Bradley and he is best of friends with Max. It’s been awful cos Bradley seems to be on his own all of the time now and when him and Bobby get too close, Bobby will lunge at him like Kung Fu guinea pig. Bradley has not seemed himself since it all started and the worst thing is Bobby has got to the point where he has caught Bradleys ear and back and made him bleed which I didn’t know about till I found the scabs on his little ear, also I am finding little tufts of Bradley’s hair sometimes. They had a big pen but I decided to get an even bigger one to see if that would help and made one of them c&c cages with more than enough space and 3 of everything, which I only did this last week. At first it seemed to have worked and they all seemed happy with their new home , but that only lasted 1 day and bobby was lunging at Bradley again…only last night he has caught his ear again and it was bleeding and I just thought enough is enough, it’s just devastating and I feel terrible, when all I wanted was for them to have a new little friend…I just thought they would all get along and having a new addition would be lovely. I took Bradley out and bathed his ear and put some anti-septic cream on and then I separated Bobby from Max and Bradley, but left it so they can all still see each other but Bobby can’t go attacking Bradley. I have read that Bobby could be going through puberty as he is now around 5 months old and that he is challenging Bradley for dominance….only thing is that Bradley doesn’t seem to want to fight him back and only does to defend himself and just doesn’t like the animosity at all and it seems to me like he would happily let Bobby become the boss if it meant the fighting would stop? I just want to know if this is true and will Bobby calm down and stop doing this to Bradley as I don’t want to keep them all apart like this? Max is not happy that Bobby is away from him and keeps going up to the bars to see him, but I think it is unfair to put Bradley alone when it was him and Max together from day one, plus Bradley is quite a sociable little thing when he isn’t down in the dumps because of Bobby. Also does anyone have any advice on how long I should keep Bobby separated from Max and Bradley and is there anything that could help the situation when I do attempt to put them all back together? Any advice would be much appreciated as I’ll do anything to have them all living together happily.
 
Whoever said that it was alright to add another boar to a stable couple was QUITE wrong - it is more often a recipe for disaster than not as soon as the youngster hits the big hormones! While trios of any configuration can work (provided that at least two piggies are laid back and non dominant), there is always a pretty hefty risk that you end up with a 2+1 situation, or in the case of boars, even with three singles that refuse to live with each other.

If I were you, I would not reintroduce Bobby, but rather try to find him his own friend, preferably through boar dating at a rescue if that is possible, so he can find a friend who is character compatible with him. Leave your working pair as it is, please!

Here is more about boar combinations:
http://www.susieandpigs.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/optionsmenu.htm
 
It's very very rare for 3 boars to live together. Of which I have 2 sets of 3.

However yours have gone beyond. They need spitting into a pair and a single. You could re pair the single to have a buddy so you'll end up with 4. You need to separated now or you'll end up at the vets with a very expensive bill. Stitching ears back on or removing eyes.

Sorry to be abrupt, but for the sake of the piggies health.
 
Thank you

Thanks so much for the advice Wiebke and Solly, its really helpful! It was actually a website called Cavyspirit.com and Pets At Home that have gave me bad advice which I cannot believe. The day we got Bobby the lady at Pets At Home told us it would all be fine as long as I introduced them on neutral ground....but it hasn't turned out fine at all. I'll be keeping Bobby separated and will look to find him a compatible friend. It's sad that I have to separate them at the fact that Max likes Bobby so much but I want to keep them safe from harm and there's obviously nothing I can do to make them get along. Thanks for the link Wiebke, this site is brilliant and will help me a lot.
 
Cavyspirit is usally one of the best websites. mallethead

If you can, try to find a reputable rescue within your reach that offers boar dating (not all allow you to bring your piggy), so Bobby can find a boarfriend he really clicks with; that will hopefully increase his chances of a stable relationship. He's just entering his stroppy months, so the next months may be a bit taxing!

Here is a list of rescues in Britain. If you give us your area, we may be able you give you recommendations. http://www.guineapigrehome.org.uk/gp/centres.asp
 
Hi Wiebke,

Sorry to bother you again but I have another burning question that I feel I need to ask for my own peace of mind. As explained the situation with Max, Bradley and Bobby yesterday, you gave me some great help in advising me not to put Bobby back in with Max and Bradley and to find him a new friend. Well I was watching them all closely last night and knowing all their personalities and watching them interact it just seems to me now that Max is more interested in Bobby, always at the bars and scratching at the floor, trying to have contact with him and looking quite down that Bobby is not with him anymore and Bradley is still pretty much on his own and looking quite unhappy, maybe this could be down to his sore ear, but he is definitely not his happy little self even though Bobby can’t get to him now. Knowing what I know now, I feel like by bringing Bobby along I have certainly created a 2+1 situation and unfortunately it is Bradley who is being left out now and even though Bobby is separated from them, things just don’t seem the same with him and Max as Max just seems to be pining for Bobby and not really paying Bradley any attention. Is it a possible option that when I come to get the new guinea, that I pair Bradley up with a compatible match instead of Bobby and I put Bobby back in with Max……or is this just out of the question? I only ask as it just seems like the relationship between Bradley and Max just isn’t the same as it was before Bobby came along and sadly Max seems to favour Bobby now. Or will things go back to normal between them both in time? I have plenty space in the house to extend the cage for a new guinea, so before I go ahead and do this I just want to make sure I have asked all these questions so I know that I am doing the exact right thing for them all. I just want them all to be happy and healthy and never to feel lonely……bringing in Bobby has caused a big shake up and I want to put it right in the best possible way that I can, it’s my responsibility to make sure I get this sorted and that they are ‘all’ happy with the end result.
 
What you can do, is to reintroduce Bobby and Max to each other on neutral ground in a different room away from Bradley (i.e. bathroom, kitchen or lawn; something wipeable!) and see what happens. If you feel that they are happier together, then I would put them as a pair and look for a new boarfriend for Bradley. You have to accept things as they stand. It is great of you that you are caring for all three and want to make them each as happy as possible.

If that doesn't work out, please give Max and Bradley both a bath before putting them back together, so both smell the same and Max won't smell of Bobby. Otherwise, you would have the next round of problems on your hand!

PS: Here is a list of rescues in Durham (I don't know how current it is, though, and who offers boar dating). http://www.guineapigrehome.org.uk/gp/centres.asp#Durham
The closest guinea pig rescues I could recommend are Leeds way.
 
Hello

From the behaviour you have described it may well be that Max is trying to get to Bobby in order to fight with him again. Scratching at the ground combined with wiping his scent gland on the ground is a very strong dominance signal. You may find that removing Bobby from his sight will let him calm down and relax more, if he continues to get wound up by Bobby's presence he may take it out on his cagemate and you end up with three singles.

HTH

Suzy x
 
What you can do, is give Bobby and Max reintroduce them to each other on neutral ground in a different room away from Bradley (i.e. bathroom, kitchen or lawn; something wipeable!) and see what happens. If you feel that they are happier together, then I would put them as a pair and look for a new boarfriend for Bradley. You have to accept things as they stand. It is great of you that you are caring for all three and want to make them each as happy as possible.

Please brace yourself that Bobby will go somewhat overboard when he gets reunited with his freind. If that doesn't work out, please give Max and Bradley both a bath before putting them back together, so both smell the same and Max won't smell of Bobby. Otherwise, you would have the next round of problems on your hand!

Here are tips for introductions: http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=38562

PS: Here is a list of rescues in Durham (I don't know how current it is, though, and who offers boar dating). http://www.guineapigrehome.org.uk/gp/centres.asp#Durham
The closest guinea pig rescues I could recommend are Leeds way.
 
That is absolutely fabulous advice! :) Thank you so much Wiebke, i'll do just that and see what happens but i'm pretty sure that Max and Bobby are wanting to be together and I know that if i can get Bradley paired up with a compatible little friend it will give him a new lease of life. I think he just needs a little freind who is going to give him some attention and affection back, other than being left on his own while watching the other 2 interact. I feel reassured on what I am doing now and i'll try what you have in each case scenario. As for Bobby going over board when he sees Max I completely understand, I think he has hated every second of it and I can just imagine what he is going to be like so i'll keep a close eye on them. If it all works out then hopefully in the next week or so i can get the pen extended and contact the rescues....it will be great if they let me take Bradley along with me as he can then pick for himself which I think would be a good thing for him. In the meantime i'll keep Bobby separated from the both until I can get it all arranged. Thanks for everything, its very much appreciated! :)
 
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